Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[Tas]

Do yourself a favour and leave it.

It is well established that "memory" and "eye witness" testimony can be deeply deeply unreliable.

Indeed, you regularly have situations where the victims of crimes "remember" them very differently to how they happened.

Our conscious interpretations of them yes, our brain interprets memories with a lack of clarity, however, someone with an eidetic memory can recall memories with perfect clarity. We are apparently genetically the same as people with eidetic memories so perhaps in the future we will be able to have more clarity of events.

For now, memories aren't reliable so we are dependant on other evidence to back them up.

 

[Tas]

Well, you're wrong. And lining up on the side of the paedophiles.

And it isn't just "testimony" like you keep blabbering on about. It isn't like someone just rocks up and goes "They r*ped me" and bang, jail for them!

You are getting emotional and making insulting claims because your argument is nonsensical.

A testimony can never be beyond reasonable doubt, you wouldn't like being sent to jail based on one, I wouldn't, nobody would. People on the jury have no way of knowing if the accusation was true or not no matter how compelling the testimony was.

If someone made the false allegation against you, you would be praying that there was someone on the jury who believed in burden of proof greater than you do for others.

 

[Del191229]

You are getting emotional and making insulting claims because your argument is nonsensical.

A testimony can never be beyond reasonable doubt, you wouldn't like being sent to jail based on one, I wouldn't, nobody would. People on the jury have no way of knowing if the accusation was true or not no matter how compelling the testimony was.

If someone made the false allegation against you, you would be praying that there was someone on the jury who believed in burden of proof greater than you do for others.

Just shooooooosh.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

You are getting emotional and making insulting claims because your argument is nonsensical.

A testimony can never be beyond reasonable doubt, you wouldn't like being sent to jail based on one, I wouldn't, nobody would. People on the jury have no way of knowing if the accusation was true or not no matter how compelling the testimony was.

If someone made the false allegation against you, you would be praying that there was someone on the jury who believed in burden of proof greater than you do for others.

So going by this you would be fine with 100's of guilty rapists walking free because a victim's testimony alone is not beyond reasonable doubt because 1 person gets falsely accused .

 

[Del191229]

So going by this you would be fine with 100's of guilty rapists walking free because a victim's testimony alone is not beyond reasonable doubt because 1 person gets falsely accused .

He pretends that criminal trials that result in incarceration hinge just one someone making an accusation that is instantly 100 per cent believed by all.

 

[SpiderBurton22]

He pretends that criminal trials that result in incarceration hinge just one someone making an accusation that is instantly 100 per cent believed by all.

I did say nìave earlier, but it's way more than that.

 

[Del191229]

I sat through a rape trial in Edinburgh. It was obvious to all concerned that the the accused was guilty as sin, but these things being what they are, he was acquitted.

When the verdict was announced he looked directly over the victim's family (mother, sister ... victim herself wasn't it court) and this kind of tongue flickering thing, sticking his tongue out and licking his teeth.

It was absolutely vile, stays with me to this day, and was a very clear indication of what he thought.

Tas would be happy though that a rapist was released to taunt the family of victim.

 

[King Corey]

I sat through a rape trial in Edinburgh. It was obvious to all concerned that the the accused was guilty as sin, but these things being what they are, he was acquitted.

When the verdict was announced he looked directly over the victim's family (mother, sister ... victim herself wasn't it court) and this kind of tongue flickering thing, sticking his tongue out and licking his teeth.

It was absolutely vile, stays with me to this day, and was a very clear indication of what he thought.

Tas would be happy though that a rapist was released to taunt the family of victim.

Geeze SLF this is a very strange area to be casting burly around in. It's better when you restrict it to hyperbole about Taylor Garner.

Nothing I read in Tas' posts translated to "gee I'd really like rapists to be acquitted due to lack of evidence".

 

[Del191229]

Geeze SLF this is a very strange area to be casting burly around in. It's better when you restrict it to hyperbole about Taylor Garner.

Nothing I read in Tas' posts translated to "gee I'd really like rapists to be acquitted due to lack of evidence".

He said earlier that if children get r*ped they should just call the police who can then gather evidence. And waiting 30 years isn't on.

He has absolutely NO IDEA about how this stuff works.

FWIW - I am most definitely not trolling on this.

 

[Val Keating]

Let’s lighten the mood ey

 

[Del191229]

If you think we should just believe any accusation, or even eyewitness testimony, then you must believe that Daw is guilty of the accusation that was levelled at him if you have any consistency in your beliefs.

I'm entirely consistent in my approach - both Daw and Pell got trials where they were represented by professionals.

That Daw was acquitted and Pell proven guilty demonstrates that the "just because someone makes and accusation" line you're sputing is absolute crap.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Let’s lighten the mood ey

I would rather watch this series again:

 

[Sopwiths North]

He said earlier that if children get r*ped they should just call the police who can then gather evidence. And waiting 30 years isn't on.

He has absolutely NO IDEA about how this stuff works.

FWIW - I am most definitely not trolling on this.

You're completely right JLG. I think people aren't giving enough consideration to the fact that rape isn't about sex, it's about power. And the victims are therefore by definition, the powerless.

I don't know if this link will work for you guys, but here's what happened to a young rape victim here in BC when she went to the RCMP about it. She's Indigenous, and she's a teen. And she was victimised all over again by the authority she turned to to help her. People have no clue what it's like to be the victim here, no clue what they are up against, no clue how much courage it takes to tell someone.

‘Were you turned on by this at all?’: RCMP officer asks Indigenous youth during sexual assault report - APTN News

Video obtained by APTN shows an RCMP officer interviewing an Indigenous teen for more than two hours after she reported a sexual assault.

aptnnews.ca

 

[Snake_Baker]

A cop was an arseh*le to someone?

That NEVER happens.

Dunno what it has even remotely got to do with this though, aside from eliciting cheap "feelz".

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

We talk about such fun stuff in this thread...

 

[Val Keating]

We talk about such fun stuff in this thread...

Disregarding the Pell stuff,

It amuses me that on a football forum for one of the smallest clubs playing an indigenous game to an island 100’s of miles away from America we often discuss us politics. It’s crazy if you think about it.

 

[Val Keating]

Meanwhile the Amazon is on fire. Possibly deliberately lit

 

[Val Keating]

Good times

1. The Amazon is burning


2. The Arctic's on fire


3. The Oceans are boiling


4. The Coral reefs are dying


5. Greenland is melting


6. Permafrost is collapsing


7. Antarctica is heating


8. Ecosystems are crashing


9. Earth is turning to desert


10. Emissions are accelerating

 

[SpiderBurton22]

 

[Tas]

Geeze SLF this is a very strange area to be casting burly around in. It's better when you restrict it to hyperbole about Taylor Garner.

Nothing I read in Tas' posts translated to "gee I'd really like rapists to be acquitted due to lack of evidence".

It is the classic progressive playbook, can't win the most basic of arguments so droll out personal attacks. It is why we end up with Trump, Brexit and are soon going to be bombarded with right wing extremists because progressives value feelings more than logic.

Nobody and I mean NOBODY would want to front some kind of judicial system where the accuser's testimony is the only form of evidence required to ruin your life and put you in jail for god knows how long.

I wish we had a better legal system but this one has evolved out of thousands of years of really shitty forms of justice and at this point in time is the best we can do. Yeah, it sucks when people we assume are guilty walk free but we can't have a kangaroo court where we choose who gets justice and who doesn't.

It is why I bought up Daw, an accusation and testimony of the accuser and a witness was not enough to convict him. I haven't seen these moral arbiters with pitchforks in hand storm Arden street with noose in hand. I thought Daw was in strife, a witness is a significant piece of evidence. The jury obviously didn't feel they were credible enough to pass the burden of proof test. I didn't see the moral outrage.

At the end of the day the jury had to make a judgement, an educated guess based on the evidence presented. We don't know who is guilty or innocent, we have a shitty system and it is why you can appeal the shit out of judgements to try and prevent a mistake being made but we still have numerous mistakes fall through the cracks. Whatever happens is going to be imperfect and will never please everyone, wont even please a majority of people but nobody has a better solution.

 

[Del191229]

Blah blah blah.

Knows nothing about the matter, shoots mouth off something something "progressives".

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Disregarding the Pell stuff,

It amuses me that on a football forum for one of the smallest clubs playing an indigenous game to an island 100’s of miles away from America we often discuss us politics. It’s crazy if you think about it.

We think about the yanks more than they think about Australia. Even for stuff like defence and strategy.

 

[Del191229]

A cop was an a-hole to someone?

That NEVER happens.

Dunno what it has even remotely got to do with this though, aside from eliciting cheap "feelz".

True dat.

Same cheap feelz Tas is eliciting with the mythical innocent man locked away for years on a false accusation that was the only evidence.

On that, the "I believe her!" types who do say that all accusations should be treated as fact should never read To Kill A Mockingbird.

Or they'd have sentenced an innocent African American to death.

 

[Tas]

Blah blah blah.

Knows nothing about the matter, shoots mouth off something something "progressives".

Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

"The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a personis innocent until proven guilty."

You think an accuser's testimony alone can pass that test?

I can think of a number of other logical explanations, that is where other evidence is critical to form an educated opinion. That doesn't mean I don't think he did it or could have done it, but the testimony alone doesn't eliminate reasonable doubt.

It is a matter of logic, not feelings.

 

[Hojuman]

Outta interest got the call up for jury duty 2018. Never been so intimidated in all my life, never.
Got out of being empanelled both times for reasons l won't go into.
Months later discussing the system with an old school mate who is a judge, he thought we should have professional jurors. Interesting discussion.