Play Nice Random Chat Thread: Episode III

[ferball]

Seems it is being deliberately cleared to grow soybeans, pretty sad.

And cattle. Miore of it for cattle.

Jesus are you gonna use that as another excuse to for the rise of Trump and a bunch of other heartless scumbags.

Its all the vegans' fault the Amazion is burning?

What a crock of shit.

Who are you?

Alastair ****en Campbell?

 

[Themanbun]

Amazing.




How much comes out of his pocket & how much is for tax implications?

Nailed it.

His net worth remains $245 million.

It's easy to make these donations and fund these causes when you're still earning far beyond what you'd ever need to possibly spend.

Until he throws his weight behind a radical overhaul of the economic system, I'll lump him in with the "doesn't genuinely care enough" crowd.

 

[Val Keating]

I've planted or been in nurseries that were repsonsible for millions of trees over the years. More than enough carbon sequestered as wood for my lifetime emissions, my kids and the rest of my family and probably a few of the posters here and their families too.

It s**ts me so much the way some people pi**ed away the future.

At some point I'll might have to hang Andrew Bolt from a light pole myself.

If it comes to that I'll hang the campaigner upside down and light a small fire under his head.

Ok. I’m on your side if shit goes sideways

 

[Val Keating]

On celebrity’s virtue signaling, they make money off their social media accounts. The more clicks they generate the more $$. It’s why you’ll often see celebrities post a video of someone trophy hunting a lion or something. It gets their numbers up

 

[Sopwiths North]

Nailed it.

His net worth remains $245 million.

It's easy to make these donations and fund these causes when you're still earning far beyond what you'd ever need to possibly spend.

Until he throws his weight behind a radical overhaul of the economic system, I'll lump him in with the "doesn't genuinely care enough" crowd.

So now he's responsible for fixing the entire economic system or else he "doesn't genuinely care"? Who makes these rules??

Di Caprio started his environmental awareness foundation in 1998 when he was only 24 years old. He's spent the past 20 years, his entire adult life, promoting awareness around climate change and other environmental issues. His foundation has worked alongside others in over 40 countries, he's produced numerous documentaries promoting environmental awareness, he's received awards of recognition for his activism from some of the most respected environmental groups on the planet, and he's dedicated his entire adult life to making sure he uses his fame to get a message out that is vital to our very survival. He is incredibly knowledgeable on the subject, and today he has posted a list of things that EVERYONE can do to help do their part.

So rather than being critical and dismissive of him, it would be nice to hear what everyone on here is doing to help. Anything on that list? Anything not on the list? Like, cleaning up the beaches and rivers and streams, driving a hybrid or walking, cycling, not using plastic bags, disposable coffee cups or straws. It's easy. Anything, just one thing. Because if you're not, then you've got no business criticizing him. And I'm not directing this at just you, TMB, it's to everyone on here who is running him down without providing any offers of how THEY'RE doing more than him.

Sorry to be on a rant, but this kind of thing just pisses me off. Sure he rides in jets. He's a film star who has to be places. But he more than pulls his weight in his activism. And that deserves credit. And if you can't give him credit, then it better bloody be because you're doing more than he is to save the planet.

 

[Snake_Baker]

On celebrity’s virtue signaling, they make money off their social media accounts. The more clicks they generate the more $$. It’s why you’ll often see celebrities post a video of someone trophy hunting a lion or something. It gets their numbers up

Virtue signalling for the idle rich.

At least Gates is fair dinkum.

 

[Val Keating]

Virtue signalling for the idle rich.

At least Gates is fair dinkum.

I’m sure there’d be a few who are fair dinkum. I’m too cynical to believe any of them. I

 

[Themanbun]

So now he's responsible for fixing the entire economic system or else he "doesn't genuinely care"? Who makes these rules??

Di Caprio started his environmental awareness foundation in 1998 when he was only 24 years old. He's spent the past 20 years, his entire adult life, promoting awareness around climate change and other environmental issues. His foundation has worked alongside others in over 40 countries, he's produced numerous documentaries promoting environmental awareness, he's received awards of recognition for his activism from some of the most respected environmental groups on the planet, and he's dedicated his entire adult life to making sure he uses his fame to get a message out that is vital to our very survival. He is incredibly knowledgeable on the subject, and today he has posted a list of things that EVERYONE can do to help do their part.

So rather than being critical and dismissive of him, it would be nice to hear what everyone on here is doing to help. Anything on that list? Anything not on the list? Like, cleaning up the beaches and rivers and streams, driving a hybrid or walking, cycling, not using plastic bags, disposable coffee cups or straws. It's easy. Anything, just one thing. Because if you're not, then you've got no business criticizing him. And I'm not directing this at just you, TMB, it's to everyone on here who is running him down without providing any offers of how THEY'RE doing more than him.

Sorry to be on a rant, but this kind of thing just pisses me off. Sure he rides in jets. He's a film star who has to be places. But he more than pulls his weight in his activism. And that deserves credit. And if you can't give him credit, then it better bloody be because you're doing more than he is to save the planet.

Responsible? No.

I said "throw his weight behind", but thanks for the strawman.

I am telling you that it is no admirable sacrifice that one individual donates millions of dollars when their donations don't even make a dent in their standard of living.

What is the maximum amount the average Joe could donate and yet still not have their living standards impacted in any way, shape or form?

That's how much his individual activism is worth in my eyes.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Responsible? No.

I said "throw his weight behind", but thanks for the strawman.

I am telling you that it is no admirable sacrifice that one individual donates millions of dollars when their donations don't even make a dent in their standard of living.

What is the maximum amount the average Joe could donate and yet still not have their living standards impacted in any way, shape or form?

That's how much his individual activism is worth in my eyes.

What are you doing to help alleviate climate change?

 

[Themanbun]

What are you doing to help alleviate climate change?

Minimising my personal consumption and donating considerable personal time to research regarding alternatives to the current wasteful economic system - unpaid - including working with green-economics researchers and helping to ease the labour burden on them. Thanks for asking.

Leo's $5m Oppo advertisement (one among many of his contributions to consumer culture) though I'm sure has been great to reverse wasteful consumerism.

 

[Sopwiths North]

Minimising my personal consumption and donating considerable personal time to research regarding alternatives to the current wasteful economic system - unpaid including working with green-economics researchers and helping to ease the labour burden on them. Thanks for asking.

Leo's $5m Oppo advertisement (one among many of his contributions to consumer culture) though I'm sure has been great to reverse wasteful consumerism.

Excellent!

 

[Themanbun]

Excellent!

I'm glad that you are genuinely happy with what I'm doing, but this honestly raises a discussion point.

Who is sacrificing more for the climate?

(1) the guy on let's just say $70k per year who buys a TV, washer, etc. that are 2, 3 or even 4 times more expensive than less 'green' options, significantly denting his savings and impacting his standard of living; or

(2) the guy worth $245m who donates a few million a year, says some admittedly nice words in public, yet happily takes money to appear in advertisements for notoriously wasteful companies, and will still see zero difference to his living standards regardless of the millions he has donated.

I know which one I'm more impressed by and which commitment is more genuine.

Does Leo HAVE to do this? No. But I'm not going to pretend that he's parting with anything significantly material to his own standard of living, nor will I commend him as he happily advances industrial capitalist consumer culture.

 

[Sopwiths North]

I'm glad that you are genuinely happy with what I'm doing, but this honestly raises a discussion point.

Who is sacrificing more for the climate?

(1) the guy on let's just say $70k per year who buys a TV, washer, etc. that are 2, 3 or even 4 times more expensive than less 'green' options, significantly denting his savings and impacting his standard of living; or

(2) the guy worth $245m who donates a few million a year, says some admittedly nice words in public, yet happily takes money to appear in advertisements for notoriously wasteful companies, and will still see zero difference to his living standards regardless of the millions he has donated.

I know which one I'm more impressed by and which commitment is more genuine.

Does Leo HAVE to do this? No. But I'm not going to pretend that he's parting with anything significantly material to his own standard of living, nor will I commend him as he happily advances industrial capitalist consumer culture.

It's not a contest.

My point is that people who sit in judgement of another person's efforts when they themselves aren't lifting a finger have no right to criticise. Hence my asking what everyone on here is doing to do their bit. We're never going to make it through this if we're a planet full of passengers who just sit around spouting off about how the people who are trying to do SOMETHING aren't doing it enough, or "genuinely", or right, or whatever the hell they think is the problem. He's doing SOMETHING. And I'm glad you are too.

 

[Themanbun]

It's not a contest.

My point is that people who sit in judgement of another person's efforts when they themselves aren't lifting a finger have no right to criticise. Hence my asking what everyone on here is doing to do their bit. We're never going to make it through this if we're a planet full of passengers who just sit around spouting off about how the people who are trying to do SOMETHING aren't doing it enough, or "genuinely", or right, or whatever the hell they think is the problem. He's doing SOMETHING. And I'm glad you are too.

This is where I see us at a fundamental point of difference.

I don't actually think individual efforts are going to do this. Nor policy tweaks. Nor incetivizing green alternatives.

We need a radical restructure of ownership and industrial capitalism. Leo is not just a passive participant in the status quo of industrial capitalism. He is actively promoting it. None of his individual donations mean a thing until he uses his position of power and influence to change that - and I strongly suspect that he wouldn't do that (though would love to be surprised), because it's going to hurt his hip pocket and luxurious, opulent lifestyle. Hard.

Whats the point of planting a few trees or dropping a few million, if millions of people see his ad and unnecessarily go out to buy a new Oppo? He directly profited from that, and I will judge him for it.

I think you see what I'm getting at, even if we do have different ideas of what is meaningful activism.

 

[Themanbun]

On celebrity’s virtue signaling, they make money off their social media accounts. The more clicks they generate the more $$. It’s why you’ll often see celebrities post a video of someone trophy hunting a lion or something. It gets their numbers up

Spot on. Then they'll use these platforms to advertise products and promote any given piece of shit product which no doubt makes profit for a few and releases a tonne of emissions in the process.

 

[Sopwiths North]

This is where I see us at a fundamental point of difference.

I don't actually think individual efforts are going to do this. Nor policy tweaks. Nor incetivizing green alternatives.

We need a radical restructure of ownership and industrial capitalism. Leo is not just a passive participant in the status quo of industrial capitalism. He is actively promoting it. None of his individual donations mean a thing until he uses his position of power and influence to change that - and I strongly suspect that he wouldn't do that (though would love to be surprised), because it's going to hurt his hip pocket and luxurious, opulent lifestyle. Hard.

Whats the point of planting a few trees or dropping a few million, if millions of people see his ad and unnecessarily go out to buy a new Oppo? He directly profited from that, and I will judge him for it.

Yep, I do agree 100% about the need to restructure our entire economic system. But Leo's not your guy. He's an actor, not a politician.

And while he may have gotten this Oppo thing wrong, he's also gotten a lot of stuff right. And he deserves credit for that.

Anyways, that's my take on it. I just have zero time for people who sit there criticizing when they're doing nothing to help. And that goes across the board of all things in life, not just environmental stuff.

 

[Tas]

And cattle. Miore of it for cattle.

Jesus are you gonna use that as another excuse to for the rise of Trump and a bunch of other heartless scumbags.

Its all the vegans' fault the Amazion is burning?

What a crock of s**t.

Who are you?

Alastair fu**en Campbell?

Wut?

It is the major agricultural crop of the region.

 

[Tas]

What does "reasonable doubt" mean Tas?

I have the legal definition up there somewhere...

"The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty."

 

[Tas]

I know for a fact he did and have known for years. More than once.

(No it wasn't me. I was about 17 when I came across my first ever victim of some sort of sexual abuse and by the time I was turning 19 most of the people I knew were victims. Some were friends I'd known for years who finally came out about it.)

Yeah, we know the church has been shuffling these arseholes around, but he isn't on trial for that.

 

[Themanbun]

I have the legal definition up there somewhere...

"The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty."

May I ask where you are getting this from?

Judges in Victoria are instructed not to define the term "beyond reasonable doubt" to a jury.

 

[Tas]

May I ask where you are getting this from?

Judges in Victoria are instructed not to define the term "beyond reasonable doubt" to a jury.

Online dictionary. If we have changed the meaning of the term then that is a concern, shouldn't call it beyond reasonable doubt if it has no meaning.

 

[Themanbun]

Online dictionary. If we have changed the meaning of the term then that is a concern, shouldn't call it beyond reasonable doubt if it has no meaning.

Section 64 of the Jury Directions Act 2015 provides as much of a definition as is permitted. It is up to the juror to determine what a reasonable doubt is, with some guidance.

They're generally not to consult a dictionary and more so the standard in the UK ('sure') is not the same as here.

 

[Tas]

Section 64 of the Jury Directions Act 2015 provides as much of a definition as is permitted. It is up to the juror to determine what a reasonable doubt is, with some guidance.

They're generally not to consult a dictionary and more so the standard in the UK ('sure') is not the same as here.

Explains why our legal system is rubbish at the moment. Lets not defining the meaning of anything.

 

[Themanbun]

Explains why our legal system is rubbish at the moment. Lets not defining the meaning of anything.

Alternatively it helps fulfil the purpose of the Jury. To have a cross section of one's peers and members of the community to determine what is 'beyond reasonable doubt's without being told by a judge or a book what to think or what the standard is.

 

[Tas]

Alternatively it helps fulfil the purpose of the Jury. To have a cross section of one's peers and members of the community to determine what is 'beyond reasonable doubt's without being told by a judge or a book what to think or what the standard is.

Our law, fundamentally is a precedence based system. It is meant to provide consistency and certainty, how can you without proper definitions, with inconsistent verdicts? The lack of definition has changed it so the lower courts treat it now as on the balance of probability. It means justice is not going to be provided to you unless you can afford to take it to the high court where they are a lot more concerned about the precedence system.

Just crazy, if you are not guilty and are taken to court, you would have zero confidence that you are even a good chance of being found innocent.