Play Nice Random Chat Thread V

[rickety]

It looks to be on YouTube as an abbreviated version. I reckon the original was 4 hours long or longer ?

Oi Gaso, if you can grab a copy, give Riotous Assembly a read. The first 3 or so pages are as boring as wallpaper, but then it turns into the funniest book I have ever read, and I reckon I have read it eleventythree times. Just keep it in the lav and peruse at your leisure

 

[Del191229]

It's a good outcome if sustainable. I'm not a coal power proponent as such (recall I was of the view that nuclear is still viable and I retain that view), but renewables have proved seriously inefficient at this point and the back-up needs to be retained. However, moving the industry to efficient renewable energy is a must. Will just take another decade or two, I suspect.

Main takeaway for me here is the market is speaking.

It is now more rational to go all in on renewable as soon as possible (with fossil firming as required). Stop more Hazelbrook style sudden shut-down of coal plant as suggested here.

With what's going most likely happen in Glasgow later this year re carbon border adjustments, our wider economic structure is in for one hell of a disruption.

 

[Val Keating]

This one is excellent if you haven't come across it already.

BBC Radio 4 - Intrigue

A scholar turned sleuth hunts stolen relics, exposing a scandal of biblical proportions.

www.bbc.co.uk

I’ll check it out. Looks a bit like throughline.

I’m always flogging this podcast, but honestly it’s the most thorough telling of the history of the building of Israel and the conflict. It can be pretty full on, the narrator actually talks through sections where you can tell some of the atrocities really get to him.

Fear & Loathing in the New Jerusalem - MartyrMade

MartyrMade Podcast - Fear & Loathing in the New Jerusalem, On the History of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

www.martyrmade.com

 

[Val Keating]

Puts on Queens voice “And shall we expect the child to be an acceptable shade of white?”

 

[Snake_Baker]

Give me some titles Tef.

I have reckoned I have watched a number of tv docos on Afghanistan and Iraq but I need to knowledge up further

I'd start with a historical research of both countries prior to the British showing up, then work forward. You could spend the rest of your life attempting to work out these countries and still come up short. Afghanistan has an amazingly complex history, and Iraq, although considered Muslim, is also the place where the oldest remaining Christians originate (The Assyrians). Read good history books.

The best real advice I would give you is not to commence your study in the political history of these countries of the past 100 years. I repeat, do not start with the contemporary era where the political junkies are invested. It will skew your real understanding and break down the layers of complexity in to their ridiculous good vs evil/east vs west narratives.

Good luck.

 

[Val Keating]

If you want to go way back, this is a ripper. https://www.dancarlin.com/hardcore-history-56-kings-of-kings/

If you don’t care for podcasts scroll down to the bottom and it has the list of books that Dan uses as reference. One of the books costs (Forgotten Empire, the world of ancient Persia) $1,060.

 

[Val Keating]

FMD Amazon product ASIN 0520247310

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

FMD Amazon product ASIN 0520247310

My original book and journal budget for my PhD was 5k. I had to temper my expectations and rely on others.

 

[Val Keating]

My original book and journal budget for my PhD was 5k. I had to temper my expectations and rely on others.

Looks like you can get a cheaper version of this book. It was written in 2004 so I don’t get why it’s so expensive? I’d love to know what Dan Carlin’s library is worth...

 

[Del191229]

I'd start with a historical research of both countries prior to the British showing up, then work forward. You could spend the rest of your life attempting to work out these countries and still come up short. Afghanistan has an amazingly complex history, and Iraq, although considered Muslim, is also the place where the oldest remaining Christians originate (The Assyrians). Read good history books.

The best real advice I would give you is not to commence your study in the political history of these countries of the past 100 years. I repeat, do not start with the contemporary era where the political junkies are invested. It will skew your real understanding and break down the layers of complexity in to their ridiculous good vs evil/east vs west narratives.

Good luck.

???

You haven't lived any of this stuff!

Get back to me when you've visited ancient Christian sites in the Levant.

 

[Snake_Baker]

 

[DesertRoo]

20 points for the first person who can name the difference between a Shawarma, Gyros or Kebab...

 

[Del191229]

To understand that part of the world, you have to understand the role of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and Western colonialism.

Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are all fundamentally made up countries resulting from that colonial decision.

The war in Syria is a direct result of those colonial decisions - notably the class colonialists move of divide and conquer, which put the Alawites in charge of a majority Sunni area.

Don't believe me?

Ask ISIS!



(Also, it is a little known fact that Australian troops have conquered Damascus twice.)

 

[Del191229]

20 points for the first person who can name the difference between a Shawarma, Gyros or Kebab...

Without going to google, presuming is just place of origin re Lebanon, Greece or Persoa.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Tough, tough people.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Iraq: Cradle of Civilization.
Afghanistan: Graveyard of Empires.

 

[DesertRoo]

Without going to google, presuming is just place of origin re Lebanon, Greece or Persoa.

sacrilege...
all ‘em street foods ain’t the same..
Although I’m surprised the Shawarma hasn’t taken off in Melbourne, they’re little skinny things that you can eat multiples of. Perfect boozy snack..

 

[Del191229]

sacrilege...
all ‘em street foods ain’t the same..

Tell me then!

 

[Val Keating]

To understand that part of the world, you have to understand the role of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and Western colonialism.

Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are all fundamentally made up countries resulting from that colonial decision.

The war in Syria is a direct result of those colonial decisions - notably the class colonialists move of divide and conquer, which put the Alawites in charge of a majority Sunni area.

Don't believe me?

Ask ISIS!



(Also, it is a little known fact that Australian troops have conquered Damascus twice.)

The Martyrmade podcast I mentioned earlier goes into all that. Really comprehensive in depth detail. The same dude tried to do a podcast about Jonestown but it basically ended up as a history of America of the 60’s & 70’s

 

[Del191229]

The Martyrmade podcast I mentioned earlier goes into all that. Really comprehensive in depth detail. The same dude tried to do a podcast about Jonestown but it basically ended up as a history of America of the 60’s & 70’s

Yeah, it is the fundamental element of where we are now.

Snake's right in that you need to understand all the stuff happening prior to Western colonialism, notably around religion, but really, to understand now, Sykes-Picot is the key, not what various Sultans did 250 years ago.

 

[DesertRoo]

Tell me then!

Shawarma tightly wrap half size of aus gyros, normally hummus, tomato’s and meat. Delicious snack, not really a meal.
gyros, Australian have more tradition, them, glocalization if you will, Greeks love stuffing hot chips in them.
Order a Kebab could honestly come out as one of the above, or a tray of delicious skewed meat..

the food, and knowing where the beer is always the key..

 

[Del191229]

Shawarma tightly wrap half size of aus gyros, normally hummus, tomato’s and meat. Delicious snack, not really a meal.
gyros, Australian have more tradition, them, glocalization if you will, Greeks love stuffing hot chips in them.
Order a Kebab could honestly come out as one of the above, or a tray of delicious skewed meat..

the food is always the key..

Yeah, that's what I had in Lebanon and Syria, beautiful.

Not like the "kebab" we're used to here, which is about soaking up alcohol as much as anything.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

To understand that part of the world, you have to understand the role of the Sykes-Picot Agreement, and Western colonialism.

Iraq, Syria and Lebanon are all fundamentally made up countries resulting from that colonial decision.

The war in Syria is a direct result of those colonial decisions - notably the class colonialists move of divide and conquer, which put the Alawites in charge of a majority Sunni area.

Don't believe me?

Ask ISIS!



(Also, it is a little known fact that Australian troops have conquered Damascus twice.)

1918 and 1941. The Vichy put up remarkable resistance in several of their territories, especially considering they were a fairly weak collaborative state.

Australia’s involvement in the Russian civil war is even more wild.

You should see the archive documents on Empire Defence and the Middle East. Provides great context behind our role in the Suez Crisis.

 

[DesertRoo]

Yeah, that's what I had in Lebanon and Syria, beautiful.

Not like the "kebab" we're used to here, which is about soaking up alcohol as much as anything.

I guess the key is, being a westerner, and from Australia, the ME bleeds culture and history, everywhere you step, there’s so many subtle differences we’ll never know or understand.
Apart from Egypt, because that’s easy, they’re all related, somehow.. and they’ll let you know about it..

 

[Del191229]

1918 and 1941. The Vichy put up remarkable resistance in several of their territories, especially considering they were a fairly weak collaborative state.

Australia’s involvement in the Russian civil war is even more wild.

Yep. The fighting against the Vichy was brutal. In many respects they were Pieds Noirs though, and we both know how brutal the Algerian fighting was.

You can still see bullet holes in the main souk in Damascus that were made by Australians.

The Russian civil war stuff is indeed wild, I'd like ti learn more about that. I do know there were Australians fighting in places like Archangel.

A few VCs were won too.