
Thats a fairly selfish statement. Everyone has their own shit to worry about, doesn’t mean we should have been sucked in by this “division” shit.But really why should they. Most have their own stuff to worry about.
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Thats a fairly selfish statement. Everyone has their own shit to worry about, doesn’t mean we should have been sucked in by this “division” shit.But really why should they. Most have their own stuff to worry about.
That's what politics is though. You ask for people's patronage and in exchange they expect you to act in their best interest. The majority of people saw that there would be nothing to gain for them by voting yes so they didn't.Thats a fairly selfish statement. Everyone has their own s**t to worry about, doesn’t mean we should have been sucked in by this “division” s**t.
That's what politics is though. You ask for people's patronage and in exchange they expect you to act in their best interest. The majority of people saw that there would be nothing to gain for them by voting yes so they didn't.
The idea that politics is a way to right wrongs and do what's ethically right is a fairly new one and it looks like YMMV.
Yea it is, its also honest, charity begins at home, i got my dad and wifes parents who are elderly that require assistance and various other things to worry about.Thats a fairly selfish statement. Everyone has their own s**t to worry about, doesn’t mean we should have been sucked in by this “division” s**t.
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That's an issue that doesn't affect most people.Why did people vote for same sex marriage then HOF?
There was nothing to gain for the exceeding majority of Australians who voted yes but they still did. It was squarely about fairness. It's not a new concept.
Because it was a very simple concept to understand, and there was often a personal link - it means that Steve from accounts can get married to his partner, Warren. And that's it.Why did people vote for same sex marriage then HOF?
There was nothing to gain for the exceeding majority of Australians who voted yes but they still did. It was squarely about fairness. It's not a new concept.
Its all over red rover but all those questions were simply irrelevant in the key question asked at the referendum. If you were looking for a reason to vote no, you could find one. Whether it was disinformation or built on identity politics or fear or far right ideology. You could find one. No doubt about itBecause it was a very simple concept to understand, and there was often a personal link - it means that Steve from accounts can get married to his partner, Warren. And that's it.
In the absence of any detail about what the Voice is and how it works and what it does and where it's limits would be, it was very easy to come up with a hundred reasons to vote no.
I think providing details - how many delegates, how often are the elections, where does it sit, what happens to the representations to Parliament, etc - would have given people at least a rough understanding of how it would have worked.
If there was a mechanism in place where that real estate agent could talk to the local blackfellas about what he wanted to do on what he thinks is his own land (but technically isn't and never has been while WA and Australia exist - because the Crown grants an entitlement to use of the land but not ownership of the actual land including its mineral resources and water resources passing thru it, I would have thought an estate agent would know that) then they might have had a negotiated solution.Add Roger Cook and his feck up to the list of reasons why this failed as well:
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How this banal concrete driveway became emblematic of WA's unique debate on the Voice
Despite having little to do with the Voice, the blowing up of ancient rock shelters and a bungled attempt to preserve Aboriginal heritage are the issues shaping the referendum debate in WA.www.abc.net.au
Its all over red rover but all those questions were simply irrelevant in the key question asked at the referendum. If you were looking for a reason to vote no, you could find one. Whether it was disinformation or built on identity politics or fear or far right ideology. You could find one. No doubt about it
Why did people vote for same sex marriage then HOF?
That's an issue that doesn't affect most people.
And there’s also the fact that people didn’t actually vote.Because it was a very simple concept to understand, and there was often a personal link - it means that Steve from accounts can get married to his partner, Warren. And that's it.
Exactly this....but that's how every power in the constitution works; to take any one of a multitude of examples, the constitution provides the commonwealth with a defence power, which the parliament then used to enact legislation - or put another way, the Defence Act 1909 wasn't put forward at the moment of Federation.
The fact that we had a political party encouraging ignorance, if you don’t know vote no, is probably the saddest indictment of the political machine in Australia.The inability of people to understand basic civics is depressing.
Beyond dumb. Whoever was organising the Yes campaign was naive to the massive onslaught of propaganda. Either they were too comfortable during early polling records or they weren’t briefed accordingly on how to combat misinformation. Thats when it spun out of control.The fact that we had a political party encouraging ignorance, if you don’t know vote no, is probably the saddest indictment of the political machine in Australia.
We want our people stupid.
I don't think 60% of Australian people are ignorant, racists, dickheads, etc.Its all over red rover but all those questions were simply irrelevant in the key question asked at the referendum. If you were looking for a reason to vote no, you could find one. Whether it was disinformation or built on identity politics or fear or far right ideology. You could find one. No doubt about it
You think i could give 2 hoots if the government makes up another committee??
Whatever comes from this is where the votes for yes originated from and where they went is an interesting social conundrum. Im Gellibrand and for as long as I can remember over the last 15 years, we have always been Blue Collar, we look after one another, region. And that result hasn’t changed.I don't think 60% of Australian people are ignorant, racists, dickheads, etc.
At the start of the year, polls were in favour of the Voice. And yeah, most of that support was soft, but it proves people aren't heartless.
But refusing to provide any details left the door wide open for the fear campaign. It left too many questions unanswered, and it was very easy for those people who were a soft sox months ago to vote no.
Is it guilt to want for others what you have yourself? Surely that's just being a decent person?Whatever comes from this is where the votes for yes originated from and where they went is an interesting social conundrum. Im Gellibrand and for as long as I can remember over the last 15 years, we have always been Blue Collar, we look after one another, region. And that result hasn’t changed.
Is there higher association of “guilt” with better off people? And lower socio economic groups think “* that im poor too”?
If this is how you feel, then logic dictates you vote 'yes'
"I don't care + it doesn't affect me"
Voting 'Yes' means nothing to you, but means heaps to those who want it.
Voting 'No' means nothing to you, but penalises those who want it.
Australia is no more and no less racist today than it was on Friday.I don't think 60% of Australian people are ignorant, racists, dickheads, etc.
At the start of the year, polls were in favour of the Voice. And yeah, most of that support was soft, but it proves people aren't heartless.
But refusing to provide any details left the door wide open for the fear campaign. It left too many questions unanswered, and it was very easy for those people who were a soft sox months ago to vote no.
If this is how you feel, then logic dictates you vote 'yes'
"I don't care + it doesn't affect me"
Voting 'Yes' means nothing to you, but means heaps to those who want it.
Voting 'No' means nothing to you, but penalises those who want it.
Basically, low to middle income earners didn't give a flying *...
Except it was proposed years ago, and under the previous government at that.Who wanted it?
Inner city people and a few blackfullas from a ridiculous poll spouting 80% support?
My theory on why the voice failed is that it was proposed during a time of high inflation, 12 mortgage rises, rents going through the roof, food rising weekly, sky high energy prices, $2+ fuel etc.
Basically, low to middle income earners didn't give a flying *...
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The Voice failed on two major fronts:Who wanted it?
Inner city people and a few blackfullas from a ridiculous poll spouting 80% support?
My theory on why the voice failed is that it was proposed during a time of high inflation, 12 mortgage rises, rents going through the roof, food rising weekly, sky high energy prices, $2+ fuel etc.
Basically, low to middle income earners didn't give a flying *...
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Im a first Gen Australian mate and I was never taught Indigenous history during my schooling years through primary or secondary. I grew up with a couple of Indigenous mates, and it never made any sense to me until I explored Indigenous history through the Museum of Melbourne. I had no ****ing idea. I walked in as a naive bloke who had his own families experiences of war and fascism but I could not fathom how that history was real. I acknowledge First Nations people even if I still dont really understand.Is it guilt to want for others what you have yourself? Surely that's just being a decent person?