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[gringo2011]

" The Elitist w***er in her " lol.......I'm sure she'll be pleased with that label!

Your daughter wanting to be a detective is an interesting choice!
Shows that she clearly has a strong sense of justice and morals!
Kudos to her parents for installing that into her.
How does Papa Gringo feel about this choice of vocation?

Scared, she'll be a hard-core cop, she takes after her mum. She's talking Feds if she can get in too. She's pretty intense, you wouldn't want to piss her off.

 

[StCicatriz]

My 16 year old daughter wants to be a detective despite getting excellent academic results, my wife is glad she doesn't want to do law despite it being her best subject but the elitist w***er in her doesn't want her to do a job with out esteem. I couldn't care less, if you want to do something you should go for it. I reckon you are better off doing creative pursuits myself. Computers and robots can't create the same as people and the way kids are hothoused overseas doesn't lend it's self to creative thinking. I hope they work for themselves one day though, it's a great luxury.

computers and robots is just a tool. its good to be equipped in using the tool, but you still need to able to know what you want to do with them. sounds like daughter is very very smart so no matter what she decides to do i think she will be great at it.

i think the trick is to find something you love that you are good at. get that combo going, then throw in a work ethic and obsessive nature and people normally do very very well.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

My 16 year old daughter wants to be a detective despite getting excellent academic results, my wife is glad she doesn't want to do law despite it being her best subject but the elitist w***er in her doesn't want her to do a job with out esteem. I couldn't care less, if you want to do something you should go for it. I reckon you are better off doing creative pursuits myself. Computers and robots can't create the same as people and the way kids are hothoused overseas doesn't lend it's self to creative thinking. I hope they work for themselves one day though, it's a great luxury.

Law should be easy, but the Lawyers have made it hard.

( Though the real culprits are our highly trained politicians who formulate laws so that they are totally open to interpretation ).

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I don't quite get the "only do subjects that interest you" thing.
There are plenty of amazing careers that still have some boring underlying pre-requisites.

 

[VDS66]

school and myself really didnt agree all that much as a 16 yearold the idea of chasing girls and becoming the next silverchair was all that consumed my time as a student i can confidently say i did not do one hour of homework or study for exams there were certain subject is excelled in just off my basic knowledge of the subject ... by year 11 i was told by the school it was probobly not worth anyones time me continuing so i went and got a trade ... stupidly i chose the electrical trade i passed but the idea of climbing into roof spaces really didnt excite me so when it came to getting an apprenticeship i struggled ... i ended up leaving the trade and working in a warehouse crushing boxes to pay the bills. along that way i figured out i had a pretty good knack for talking to people and selling.. i ended up being a sales rep for a major mining company , unfortunatly the GFC hit and i got made redundant but i landed on my feet with my sales skills eventually ive ended back at the company i got made redundant from and am now running 11 workshops for component rebuilds ...
the moral of the story is education is important but an adaptability to make the most of what is directly infront of you is even more important , where you think you will end up as a 16year old and where you do end up are often very very far apart... become a good person first and opportunities arrive just being smart is often not enough

Great story. Similar life paths, although I didn't do an apprenticeship.

 

[VDS66]

Scared, she'll be a hard-core cop, she takes after her mum. She's talking Feds if she can get in too. She's pretty intense, you wouldn't want to piss her off.

Depending on which path she takes, my daughter will either end up in the Prime Minister chair or the electric chair.

 

[gringo2011]

I'm pretty sure that at some point we slipped into an alternative universe and that we now live in bizarro world. If someone had told me 20 years ago that Trump would be the most powerful politician in the world and Pamela Anderson was leading a revolution against Neo-liberalism I would have been suggesting staying off the hallucinogens. I actually agree with Pam though, she talks sense WTF is going on?

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundatio...WG4YlYh9T9v9XR5OgTAvDL1qK_NkmQ4ci6oy1quKib9zE

 

[CursingFijian]

I'm pretty sure that at some point we slipped into an alternative universe and that we now live in bizarro world. If someone had told me 20 years ago that Trump would be the most powerful politician in the world and Pamela Anderson was leading a revolution against Neo-liberalism I would have been suggesting staying off the hallucinogens. I actually agree with Pam though, she talks sense WTF is going on?

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundatio...WG4YlYh9T9v9XR5OgTAvDL1qK_NkmQ4ci6oy1quKib9zE

"People in so many places do not feel represented by the or their politicians. They know that it doesn't really matter who they actually vote for because nothing much will change in their lives. Because the real power does not sit in the ballot box. It sits elsewhere. The power is in the global hands of big business and financial capital.

And into this post-democracy world, enter the so called "populists"."


Hammer. Nail. Head.

 

[gringo2011]

"People in so many places do not feel represented by the or their politicians. They know that it doesn't really matter who they actually vote for because nothing much will change in their lives. Because the real power does not sit in the ballot box. It sits elsewhere. The power is in the global hands of big business and financial capital.

And into this post-democracy world, enter the so called "populists"."
Hammer. Nail. Head.

She actually says it very succinctly and in an unpretentious way. I think she's done better job than most intellectuals and journalists. I think I might have prejudged her because of her boobs.

 

[mightymalaka]

She actually says it very succinctly and in an unpretentious way. I think she's done better job than most intellectuals and journalists. I think I might have prejudged her because of her boobs.

lol
And understandably so! That private video didn't help either!
Who would have thunk it hey!
That Pammy Anderson would be the voice of reason in these troubling times!

Kudos to her for flipping the stereotype right on its ample bosom!

 

[Drake Huggins]

Scared, she'll be a hard-core cop, she takes after her mum. She's talking Feds if she can get in too. She's pretty intense, you wouldn't want to piss her off.

Feds would be a good choice these days, Gringo. More opportunities, both nationally and internationally. Much better resourced these days and policing is becoming increasingly global. It's a tough gig, but never boring and very satisfying. Go you good thing!

 

[Drake Huggins]

Depending on which path she takes, my daughter will either end up in the Prime Minister chair or the electric chair.

Why not both? (cue little girl in taco ad.)

 

[Drake Huggins]

I'm pretty sure that at some point we slipped into an alternative universe and that we now live in bizarro world. If someone had told me 20 years ago that Trump would be the most powerful politician in the world and Pamela Anderson was leading a revolution against Neo-liberalism I would have been suggesting staying off the hallucinogens. I actually agree with Pam though, she talks sense WTF is going on?

https://www.pamelaandersonfoundatio...WG4YlYh9T9v9XR5OgTAvDL1qK_NkmQ4ci6oy1quKib9zE

Clear signs it is the end of days, Gringo. Just our luck we'll be ten goals up at 3/4 time in the GF and the universe will implode.

 

[CursingFijian]

Clear signs it is the end of days, Gringo. Just our luck we'll be ten goals up at 3/4 time in the GF and the universe will implode.

Richo will be the last to go.

 

[gringo2011]

Feds would be a good choice these days, Gringo. More opportunities, both nationally and internationally. Much better resourced these days and policing is becoming increasingly global. It's a tough gig, but never boring and very satisfying. Go you good thing!

Yeah, I know a guy who suggested that if she wants to be a detective straight up she should go to the feds. That appeals to her.

 

[gringo2011]

Why not both? (cue little girl in taco ad.)

Having some French in my lineage I can vouch for both being possible.

 

[VDS66]

Feds would be a good choice these days, Gringo. More opportunities, both nationally and internationally. Much better resourced these days and policing is becoming increasingly global. It's a tough gig, but never boring and very satisfying. Go you good thing!

Talking to a bloke this week who is still in the force. Was a first respondent at Bourke St 1 but was away for the most recent attack.

Been doing it for 18 years and reckons it isn't the same.

People used to look at it as a long-term career to serve. Now they join and see how it goes for a few years. Just a job.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Talking to a bloke this week who is still in the force. Was a first respondent at Bourke St 1 but was away for the most recent attack.

Been doing it for 18 years and reckons it isn't the same.

People used to look at it as a long-term career to serve. Now they join and see how it goes for a few years. Just a job.

It is a common lament these days, VDS66. TJF (the job's f*cked) has been a common saying since the days troopers were after the Kelly Gang. Some things never change.

Even in my day, back in the Jurassic period, most joined because of the job security and the generous super. I must admit from what I hear though is that the camaraderie is not as strong these days and ever increasing scrutiny and accountability has ramped up the pressure.

One thing that doesn't appear to have changed is the rank and file's disdain for management. Most of the stress and anxiety comes from within the organisation and the way it treats the members. I always maintained the public treated us well, compared to those in command, who should have been able to empathise, but didn't. For all the shit and terrible things you'd see and have to deal with, nothing was worse than the behaviour of some of the corkheads in charge.

 

[Stewart66]

"People in so many places do not feel represented by the or their politicians. They know that it doesn't really matter who they actually vote for because nothing much will change in their lives. Because the real power does not sit in the ballot box. It sits elsewhere. The power is in the global hands of big business and financial capital.

And into this post-democracy world, enter the so called "populists"."


Hammer. Nail. Head.

and Tax Havens

 

[VDS66]

It is a common lament these days, VDS66. TJF (the job's f*cked) has been a common saying since the days troopers were after the Kelly Gang. Some things never change.

Even in my day, back in the Jurassic period, most joined because of the job security and the generous super. I must admit from what I hear though is that the camaraderie is not as strong these days and ever increasing scrutiny and accountability has ramped up the pressure.

One thing that doesn't appear to have changed is the rank and file's disdain for management. Most of the stress and anxiety comes from within the organisation and the way it treats the members. I always maintained the public treated us well, compared to those in command, who should have been able to empathise, but didn't. For all the shit and terrible things you'd see and have to deal with, nothing was worse than the behaviour of some of the corkheads in charge.

I was a bit surprised by his views. Reckons current recruits are a bit soft.

Apparently a few that we'd based in Flanders lane and didn't attend were claiming all sorts of compo for emotional trauma etc.

I'd say he's a bit more old school.

 

[Impatient Saint]

I was a bit surprised by his views. Reckons current recruits are a bit soft.

Apparently a few that we'd based in Flanders lane and didn't attend were claiming all sorts of compo for emotional trauma etc.

I'd say he's a bit more old school.

After 30 years of front line Policing the constant pressures and trauma eventually bit me on arse. I was lucky to come out the other side with the support of my family. Too many of my friends and colleagues have not been so lucky and taken their own lives.

There is no line of Policing where people can hide from some sort of exposure. Drake is right in recommending the National stream of the AFP for opportunities outside Australia. Although it is not without its own stressors, serious organised crime, counter terrorism, sex trafficking, international kiddy pr0n, also attending incidents like the Phuket Tsunami, the Ukraine Malaysian Airline bombing etc.

In short it can be an adrelin filled and rewarding job, but would I recommend it to anyone - absolutely not. The personal and family sacrifices are way to significant and no agency can pay enough for that. My advice to any young person would be look at any and all alternatives other than Policing.

 

[gringo2011]

After 30 years of front line Policing the constant pressures and trauma eventually bit me on arse. I was lucky to come out the other side with the support of my family. Too many of my friends and colleagues have not been so lucky and taken their own lives.

There is no line of Policing where people can hide from some sort of exposure. Drake is right in recommending the National stream of the AFP for opportunities outside Australia. Although it is not without its own stressors, serious organised crime, counter terrorism, sex trafficking, international kiddy pr0n, also attending incidents like the Phuket Tsunami, the Ukraine Malaysian Airline bombing etc.

In short it can be an adrelin filled and rewarding job, but would I recommend it to anyone - absolutely not. The personal and family sacrifices are way to significant and no agency can pay enough for that. My advice to any young person would be look at any and all alternatives other than Policing.

Yeah we know a guy who was in the Feds and he was pretty quiet but just telling us the areas he worked in were a bit eye opening. He is a remarkably well adjusted guy though. He's a Saints fan so probably used to trauma.

 

[Mikka84]

I was a bit surprised by his views. Reckons current recruits are a bit soft.

Apparently a few that we'd based in Flanders lane and didn't attend were claiming all sorts of compo for emotional trauma etc.

I'd say he's a bit more old school.

I couldn’t do it. Not in a million years.. I think cops and school teachers are the most underpaid professions around. My cousin was one of the first to respond in the Dupas murders as a rookie ( literally his second response ) and it scarred him for life. He quit the next day and has suffered depression and anxiety ever since. He was a hard shell as well..

 

[Impatient Saint]

Yeah we know a guy who was in the Feds and he was pretty quiet but just telling us the areas he worked in were a bit eye opening. He is a remarkably well adjusted guy though. He's a Saints fan so probably used to trauma.

Im sorry Gringo but the comment of being well adjusted is pretty ignorant. The average person has no idea of the atrocities and violence this industry is exposed to. Of the friends I have lost everyone of them were well adjusted high achieving individuals when they joined the job. Its not that these people were soft or mentally fragile its quite the opposite. Post Traumatic Stress shouldnt be considered any different to any other work related injury - its just that it affects peoples emotions with often tragic outcomes.

Some people are fortunate and are not exposed or affected during their career, but they are the small minority. Generally they have hidden away in non operational positions or who have absolutley no empathy and are emotionless. Some are lucky and are only exposed for a short period before climbing the ladder where they are distanced and have very short memories.

What I can guarantee is any one who has done a considerable block of operational policing, will have a significantly tainted outlook of the general public and life. In no circumstances is this healthy or benefit the individual.

I worked in the Academy as a Training Sgt for 2 years. To see the recruits leave the academy fit, energetic individuals full of life and ready to change the world. Then only a couple years after look an exhausted, disillusioned shell of their previous selves used to break my heart.

 

[Joffaboy]

Im sorry Gringo but the comment of being well adjusted is pretty ignorant. The average person has no idea of the atrocities and violence this industry is exposed to. Of the friends I have lost everyone of them were well adjusted high achieving individuals when they joined the job. Its not that these people were soft or mentally fragile its quite the opposite. Post Traumatic Stress shouldnt be considered any different to any other work related injury - its just that it affects peoples emotions with often tragic outcomes.

Some people are fortunate and are not exposed or affected during their career, but they are the small minority. Generally they have hidden away in non operational positions or who have absolutley no empathy and are emotionless. Some are lucky and are only exposed for a short period before climbing the ladder where they are distanced and have very short memories.

What I can guarantee is any one who has done a considerable block of operational policing, will have a significantly tainted outlook of the general public and life. In no circumstances is this healthy or benefit the individual.

I worked in the Academy as a Training Sgt for 2 years. To see the recruits leave the academy fit, energetic individuals full of life and ready to change the world for the betterr. Then only a couple years after look an exhausted, disillusioned shell of their previous selves used to break my heart.

Sorry to hear the cost to you IS. I see it every week with our trainer who is an ex copper who shot and killed a bloke.

4 years ago and has only began to look a bit more clear eyed.
Has trained himself blind and fought his first amateur boxing bout couple of weeks back.
I reckon the fact he has dropped ten kilos is as fit as a Mallee trout and has a great partner certainly helps.

I know you mentioned your health issues a while back, I hope you can overcome them and lead a productive and more important, happy life for yourself and your loved ones.

I have tremendous for coppers. My nephew is a copper, I'll see him Boxing Day and will ask his thoughts.

Merry Christmas

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