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[bergholt]

I generally agree with your post, except this bit:

There is not even agreement to how innovation should be achieved. Some point to schools and teachers, but if we better teach the kids, we end up with a heap of people capable of research and development, but no-one to employ them to do so.

The day's of Thomas Edison building a lightglobe in his shed , patenting it, then starting a company around it are long gone.

Completely untrue. People across the world start companies every day which get to $100m+ value, even $1b+ value.

Just not enough of them in Australia.

Innovation is different to research and development. I've worked in startups for many years. Sold a company, worked in companies that grew enormously, I've got multiple mates who started companies worth $100m+ which employ 100s or 1000s of people.

If you help out people who want to innovate then these are the sort of results you get. You said "no-one to employ them to do so" - the people I'm talking about aren't waiting for someone to pay them a wage to innovate. They're ready to change the ****ing world, but if they're going to do it in Australia they just need policy settings which are less bone-headed, and to be surrounded by people with some risk appetite.

The main problems are:

- Aussies don't work super-hard, so it's hard to find someone to help drive your startup forward.
- Aussies don't have high risk appetite, mainly because house prices are super-high, so they all just want a comfy job at a big company.
- Big companies are massively protected here so it's relatively hard to launch.
- Our local market is small.

I wish some of those would change but not sure it'll happen soon. I'm very worried about how our economy will look in 10-20 years.

 

[bergholt]

Everything.

Aussies are innovative world leaders in many fields. We punch above our weight in many areas.

Serious? Name five. I've done a lot more in this space than you have, so you'll have a job convincing me.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Serious? Name five. I've done a lot more in this space than you have, so you'll have a job convincing me.

-Science and health
-Defence
-IT
-Education (online universities)
-Online job searching

 

[George]

No I am not. More than hlaf the country would have similar views to mine. Just reality.

Yeah alright mate haha

 

[George]

Hopefully lasts more than 40 seconds, ruining BBQ's Australia wide he did.

Though a work colleague did mention she saw highlights and was promptly laughed at by those who watched the bout.

Who knows. There's not many that can beat McGregor when he is fully committed. In the UFC he has only never avenged the Khabib loss. He came back and beat Diaz the second time.

Anyway he's 31 now and probably has a max of four years left. If he can fight 3-4 times a year from here on out I'd like to see him cross off the list some of these big fights. He has mentioned several times the trilogy with Diaz will happen. I think fighting Khabib in Russia would be insane. Masvidal is the hottest fighter in the sport right now and fighting him this year could break gate records IMO. And then guys that he hasn't fought but would be good to see in Usman (maybe a bit too big for him but never say never?) and Ferguson.

I wouldn't be completely against him having a go at Mayweather again but I would hope that once that circus is done he gets back in the octagon and keeps the activity going.

He's like a world famous band touring for the final time. You want to see them as much as possible because one day they'll be gone.

And Cerrone should just give it up. Dana should do what he did with Liddell and just tell him that it's over. A HOF fighter who could really hurt himself if he gets viciously knocked out so late in his career. 51 fights, most wins in UFC history, just leave the game. Sad that some fighters don't know when to give it away and keep fighting.

 

[triggering bro]

Who knows. There's not many that can beat McGregor when he is fully committed. In the UFC he has only never avenged the Khabib loss. He came back and beat Diaz the second time.

Anyway he's 31 now and probably has a max of four years left. If he can fight 3-4 times a year from here on out I'd like to see him cross off the list some of these big fights. He has mentioned several times the trilogy with Diaz will happen. I think fighting Khabib in Russia would be insane. Masvidal is the hottest fighter in the sport right now and fighting him this year could break gate records IMO. And then guys that he hasn't fought but would be good to see in Usman (maybe a bit too big for him but never say never?) and Ferguson.

I wouldn't be completely against him having a go at Mayweather again but I would hope that once that circus is done he gets back in the octagon and keeps the activity going.

He's like a world famous band touring for the final time. You want to see them as much as possible because one day they'll be gone.

And Cerrone should just give it up. Dana should do what he did with Liddell and just tell him that it's over. A HOF fighter who could really hurt himself if he gets viciously knocked out so late in his career. 51 fights, most wins in UFC history, just leave the game. Sad that some fighters don't know when to give it away and keep fighting.

Id be very surprised if Mcgregor agreed to re-match Khabib. He’ll play it safe & stay in his lane. I don’t think he has a burning desire to regain his belts back either. From here on he will cherry pick his fights & only agree to fights he matches up well in. Diaz 3 & Masdival seem the most logical from his standpoint. Maybe Gaethji or Pettis next. They would be entertaining fights & Conor would market the shit out of them. Re-match with Holloway, who has improved since their first fight. Or Tony Ferguson after he loses to Khabib Any fight would be entertaining. Think he takes on someone that doesn’t have elite wrestling though.

 

[George]

Id be very surprised if Mcgregor agreed to re-match Khabib. He’ll play it safe & stay in his lane. I don’t think he has a burning desire to regain his belts back either. From here on he will cherry pick his fights & only agree to fights he matches up well in. Diaz 3 & Masdival seem the most logical from his standpoint. Maybe Gaethji or Pettis next. They would be entertaining fights & Conor would market the shit out of them. Re-match with Holloway, who has improved since their first fight. Or Tony Ferguson after he loses to Khabib Any fight would be entertaining. Think he takes on someone that doesn’t have elite wrestling though.

I agree in a way. I personally started to lose interest in him after he talked all that shit to Khabib and then got smoked. Hadn't won a fight in over three years, the novelty was starting to wear off on me. I'm glad he's back though and hope we see the same 2015-2016 McGregor again.

I don't think Khabib will happen straight away but would love to see it at some point. Hopefully once he has a few comeback fights he'll be ready, or at least ready enough to go again. Imagine he beats him in Russia...they would make a movie out of it haha.

Holloway would be a good fight. Can't really be bothered with Pettis or Gaethje anymore but maybe as lead up fights to something bigger.

Masvidal would be a dream though. Both good on the mic, both fight on their feet. Would be fireworks I reckon.

 

[triggering bro]

I agree in a way. I personally started to lose interest in him after he talked all that shit to Khabib and then got smoked. Hadn't won a fight in over three years, the novelty was starting to wear off on me. I'm glad he's back though and hope we see the same 2015-2016 McGregor again.

I don't think Khabib will happen straight away but would love to see it at some point. Hopefully once he has a few comeback fights he'll be ready, or at least ready enough to go again. Imagine he beats him in Russia...they would make a movie out of it haha.

Holloway would be a good fight. Can't really be bothered with Pettis or Gaethje anymore but maybe as lead up fights to something bigger.

Masvidal would be a dream though. Both good on the mic, both fight on their feet. Would be fireworks I reckon.

Masdival makes the most sense. The BMF belt

 

[bergholt]

-Science and health

Maybe - at least Cochlear and CSL are decent companies. Not a huge amount more recent that's particularly exciting but we play our part in broad science. Not sure we punch above our weight. Our healthcare system is very good. (Let's hope it doesn't get dismantled/changed.)

-Defence

Literally everything we buy in Defence is imported, except of course the Collins Class submarines - which were/are terrible.

-IT

Not sure what you mean here but since I've worked in tech/IT for 20 years I'll just have to assure you that's not the case.

-Education (online universities)

I wouldn't have thought so? Not sure exactly what you're getting at here though. Our unis aren't globally recognised. There's a bunch of small to medium sized RTOs which sell mediocre qualifications.

-Online job searching

Nah, every country has a Seek equivalent. Seek just happens to be ours. They haven't done much outside Oz.

 

[Crusty Undies]

What? Because it's not computer game related it doesn't mean anything to you?

No because having a masters in an irrelevant area is irrelevant to your credibility on climate change or any other unrelated topic.

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Bangladesh set to join the coal party it seems. This is a good export opportunity.

Despite climate impact, Bangladesh wants Australian coal to fire 29 new power stations

Bangladesh has been criticised for its ambitious plans to build 29 new coal-fired power stations, but its high commissioner to Australia believes the new projects could be an opportunity for greater trade between the two nations.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[Johnnyrayflamingo]

Finally some common sense and hope surrounding proper hazard reduction. I dont care about the politics. Just get it done going forward. Just do it properly!

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[gringo2011]

That's the funny thing about it's so obvious

Alright for people who aren't idiots that jump on any bait put in from of them.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Finally some common sense and hope surrounding proper hazard reduction. I dont care about the politics. Just get it done going forward. Just do it properly!

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Johnnyboy - I'm here still waiting!!!! Have you got your campfire started yet?

Jeez I've got to say though - I do love it when you post in this forum - its like you are determined to prove how right I am about your inability to engage in critical thinking. Keep it up - you're doing a great job!!!!

In case you've forgotten

"Critical thinking requires you to use your ability to reason. It is about being an active learner rather than a passive recipient of information."

Once again its an own goal QED from Johnnyray.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I generally agree with your post, except this bit:



Completely untrue. People across the world start companies every day which get to $100m+ value, even $1b+ value.

Just not enough of them in Australia.

Innovation is different to research and development. I've worked in startups for many years. Sold a company, worked in companies that grew enormously, I've got multiple mates who started companies worth $100m+ which employ 100s or 1000s of people.

If you help out people who want to innovate then these are the sort of results you get. You said "no-one to employ them to do so" - the people I'm talking about aren't waiting for someone to pay them a wage to innovate. They're ready to change the ******* world, but if they're going to do it in Australia they just need policy settings which are less bone-headed, and to be surrounded by people with some risk appetite.

The main problems are:

- Aussies don't work super-hard, so it's hard to find someone to help drive your startup forward.
- Aussies don't have high risk appetite, mainly because house prices are super-high, so they all just want a comfy job at a big company.
- Big companies are massively protected here so it's relatively hard to launch.
- Our local market is small.

I wish some of those would change but not sure it'll happen soon. I'm very worried about how our economy will look in 10-20 years.

It could be good to help out those sorts of people, but our Government is not good at sorting those who want to achieve, from those who just want to take the "help" and run.

What do you call "Big" or "Protected"?

Are you protected if an overseas customer goes insolvent doesn't pay its bills, and it causes your own insolvency.
Is our government doing enough, when that overseas customer is able to come back out of insolvency without paying its debts, and allowed to sell its products in Australia ? Should we not have a law that says if you owe money in Australia by "our laws", you don't trade here until its cleared?

The more successful startups in 2019 were mostly financial sector, and are probably domestic only, by their very nature. Plenty of internationals take from our pie but we mostly only take from our own.

Some of the smaller good prospects seem to involve creating a new "app".
Patent law is a shocker , its incredibly expensive and difficult to capitalise on a new idea. Any wonder that most successful startups have been software related where they managed to hoodwink their way into using "copyright" ( i'll argue all day that software code is NOT a literary work except under special conditions, ie the story line and characters in a game. Code is an engineering method, like there are different ways to build bridges. )

A lot of the modern standards, ISO 9001 ( quality ), ISO 14001 ( environment ), ISO 45001 ( safety ), claim to drive innovation, but in fact cause a lot of resources to be used for documenting and creating evidence, makes it very hard to find resources to drive innovation forward.
If your company deals with larger organisations they will often demand these.
I'm not saying they are bad things in their own right, but they favour larger more structured organisations and impede smaller ones.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Johnnyboy - I'm here still waiting!!!! Have you got your campfire started yet?

Jeez I've got to say though - I do love it when you post in this forum - its like you are determined to prove how right I am about your inability to engage in critical thinking. Keep it up - you're doing a great job!!!!

In case you've forgotten

"Critical thinking requires you to use your ability to reason. It is about being an active learner rather than a passive recipient of information."

Once again its an own goal QED from Johnnyray.

I'm not sure what your convoluted post is supposed to prove, but the Prime Minister has chosen his words carefully and is correct.
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What action can we take to make Australians safer from bush fires for next season?

Can we take climate change action to make Australians safer from bush fires next season?

Is it possible that some hazard reduction can make Australians safer from bush fires next season?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Bangladesh set to join the coal party it seems. This is a good export opportunity.

Despite climate impact, Bangladesh wants Australian coal to fire 29 new power stations

Bangladesh has been criticised for its ambitious plans to build 29 new coal-fired power stations, but its high commissioner to Australia believes the new projects could be an opportunity for greater trade between the two nations.

www.sbs.com.au

Its OK, If we burnt that coal here it would look really bad "per capita" but they burn it, not so bad.
We can use the money to buy Solar Panels.

 

[jwikked]

Its OK, If we burnt that coal here it would look really bad "per capita" but they burn it, not so bad.
We can use the money to buy Solar Panels.

It’s kinda a flawed argument isn’t it? If we’re to be held responsible for our exported commodity co2 emissions, then surely you’ll also deduct our imported emissions, like petrol and oil, cars and other machinery.
Maybe if we did it like that, Australia wouldn’t look as bad. But someone else will look bad and in the end, it doesn’t really matter because the emissions still exist.
If we didn’t sell the coal to Bangladesh, they’d buy it somewhere else. Our coal is supposedly cleaner than the stuff found elsewhere so if it’s going to be burnt, using Australian coal is better than using a dirtier product.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I'm not sure what your convoluted post is supposed to prove, but the Prime Minister has chosen his words carefully and is correct.
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What action can we take to make Australians safer from bush fires for next season?

Can we take climate change action to make Australians safer from bush fires next season?

Is it possible that some hazard reduction can make Australians safer from bush fires next season?

My post was directed to Johnnyray and it is about the fact that he has no idea about the issues other than the capacity to post a link.

I have asked him a series of fairly basic questions about fuel reduction burning, bushfire behaviour etc in an attempt to get to understand his level of knowledge on the subject - his inability to answer confirms one thing - he has no idea.

As for the PM and his "carefully chosen words"

Here's a truism for you - Adaptation is not mitigation.

The PM chooses his words carefully so that he can pretend to be doing something.

Now unless the PM is a total fool (I'm not discounting that) he knows the States already have significant FRB programs in place and that there's been tons of money spent on research into fuel loads and fire behaviour so on the basis of that - lets exercising a lit bit of critical thinking - do you think he's angling for another enquiry simply to push the issue down the road?

As for further discussion with you or any other posters on this subject - I'm now setting the bar higher a little higher than the very basic questions I've been asking of Johnnyray.

Its still a simple question if you are across the issue - If the FFDI is 10 and the fuel load is 10 tons per hectare - is it OK to start a fuel reduction burn?

If you can't answer that you probably shouldn't be commenting FRB regimes - and that goes for the PM as well.

 

[Crusty Undies]

 

[bergholt]

It could be good to help out those sorts of people, but our Government is not good at sorting those who want to achieve, from those who just want to take the "help" and run.

Agree, but that's because most big ideas sound crazy originally. The price of doing this is to waste some money on dickheads, and then chase them through the court system later.

What do you call "Big" or "Protected"?

The big banks, the big retailers, the big telcos mostly. Protected because they have political power - for instance, the big banks fought "open banking" legislation for years, despite a lot of evidence overseas that it's great for consumers.

Are you protected if an overseas customer goes insolvent doesn't pay its bills, and it causes your own insolvency.
Is our government doing enough, when that overseas customer is able to come back out of insolvency without paying its debts, and allowed to sell its products in Australia ? Should we not have a law that says if you owe money in Australia by "our laws", you don't trade here until its cleared?

No idea, I don't know anything about that one.

The more successful startups in 2019 were mostly financial sector, and are probably domestic only, by their very nature. Plenty of internationals take from our pie but we mostly only take from our own.

Most successful Oz startup in 2019 was Canva:

Canva, now valued at $3.2 billion, launches an enterprise product | TechCrunch

Canva, the Australian-based design tool maker, has today announced that it has raised an additional $85 million to bring its valuation to $3.2 billion, up

techcrunch.com

They're killing it in a bunch of ways, very international (about 8% of their revenue from Australia).

Afterpay is doing pretty well overseas too, though not to the same extent as Canva. A few others.

Some of the smaller good prospects seem to involve creating a new "app".
Patent law is a shocker , its incredibly expensive and difficult to capitalise on a new idea. Any wonder that most successful startups have been software related where they managed to hoodwink their way into using "copyright" ( i'll argue all day that software code is NOT a literary work except under special conditions, ie the story line and characters in a game. Code is an engineering method, like there are different ways to build bridges. )

Software patents shouldn't exist, full stop. But in general you don't need a patent for any sort of app or software innovation, except in a few cases where someone else is trolling.

A lot of the modern standards, ISO 9001 ( quality ), ISO 14001 ( environment ), ISO 45001 ( safety ), claim to drive innovation, but in fact cause a lot of resources to be used for documenting and creating evidence, makes it very hard to find resources to drive innovation forward.
If your company deals with larger organisations they will often demand these.
I'm not saying they are bad things in their own right, but they favour larger more structured organisations and impede smaller ones.

They claim to drive innovation? I've done a bunch of ISO 27001 audits (information security), as well as SOC 2 and similar, and the last thing they could be considered is driving innovation. Regulation or standards generally do nothing but stifle change and favour big companies who can spare resources to play the game. They need to exist to some extent to protect consumers, but they quickly become an anti-competitive tool.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'd heard somewhere that the Collins submarines had been sorted out for quite some time and that for a decade or so, they have been pretty happy with them.

This makes interesting reading.

Collins-class submarine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'd suggest that they were poorly specified ( I lolled at "Twice as Quiet as an Oberon submarine " ) but lots of troubles with supplied items and designs that should have been much better.

While they lost a lot of operating time, its interesting that the costs seem to have been worn by suppliers and designers, suggesting that they were largely to blame.
Should have used the same philosophy as buying a car....Dollar for dollar .European or Japanese?

Also in military.

Thales are doing some good development in Australia.

Defence in Australia | Thales Group

Thales is a strategic industrial partner of the Australian Defence Force (ADF) and major defence operations around the world.

www.thalesgroup.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is interesting as well. ( To me anyway ).

Life on board a crowded Collins-class submarine

The money might be better than other military jobs but being a submariner comes at a cost of personal space, sleep and months without sunlight.

www.abc.net.au

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Collins subs taken off Defence shame file

The Collins Class submarines have been taken off the Defence shame file and will have their control and communications systems upgraded.

www.sbs.com.au

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And is weakening our military for political purposes not treason?

Trashing the reputation of Collins a political mistake

A lack of maintenance support from the Liberal government for political reasons lead to the forever tarnished reputation of the Collins class submarines, a Liberal senator has said. Senator FAWCE

www.defenceconnect.com.au

 

[gringo2011]

This is interesting as well. ( To me anyway ).

Life on board a crowded Collins-class submarine

The money might be better than other military jobs but being a submariner comes at a cost of personal space, sleep and months without sunlight.

www.abc.net.au

NoCookies | The Australian

www.theaustralian.com.au

Collins subs taken off Defence shame file

The Collins Class submarines have been taken off the Defence shame file and will have their control and communications systems upgraded.

www.sbs.com.au

The Collins class subs had a bad reputation because Murdoch used them to assassinate Kim Beasley's reputation. He signed for them as defence minister and as they were being built he was ridiculed for the cost and awarding the contracts to be made in Australia. The media made them out to be hillbilly bathtubs that you could hear coming from the other side of the world. The latest subs are getting the same treatment as cost blow out and all the strange tender processes get unravelled. If you believe the current media about them, these French monstrosities are going to sink and not move either.