List Mgmt. Ranking the MFC list

Discussion in 'Melbourne Demons' started by pjfairbairn, Feb 4, 2016.

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  1. Canary

    Canary All Australian

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    This is only people who have played a game for the MFC (and only the top 20). It's a bit of a stretch to put Stretch in at 20, but it was a toss up between him and Dawes. I went on the logic that if we have Pederson, Watts and Frost in the team Dawes would be superfluous.

    1. Nathan Jones
    2. Jesse Hogan
    3. Tom McDonald
    4. Bernie Vince
    5. Jack Viney
    6. Max Gawn
    7. Lynden Dunn
    8. Neville Jetta
    9. Jeff Garlett
    10. Dom Tyson

    11. Colin Garland
    12. Christian Salem
    13. Aaron vandenBerg
    14. Dean Kent
    15. Cam Pederson
    16. Angus Brayshaw
    17. Jack Watts
    18. Sam Frost
    19. Heritier Lumumba
    20. Billy Stretch
     

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  2. Cannon82

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    Garlett isn't top 5. Hovering at the back end of the top 10, at the very most. Gawn, Hogan, T.McDonald, N.Jones, Viney, Vince, Dunn are surely ahead of him at the very least? Kicked a fair few goals, also butchered a fair few and went completely missing on the odd occasion. He and Hogan were the only permanent fixtures in the forward 50 last year, so good chance they were going to be top 2.
     
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    So you would have Dawes at 21 and therefore on the bench? Who at 22?
     
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    It was damn nice having a proper crumbing forward which other than some of Kent's work has been lacking for ages. Does go missing and defensive pressure is mood dependent.
     
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    1 Hogan (is the forward line, without him we are 2014 again almost)
    2 Gawn (the constructer in the ruck, if we loose him and hogan come round 1 i'd say our season is over, really huge holes to fill)
    3 Viney (don't need to explain)
    4 Kent (really missed to preassure he brought to our forward line in the year)
    5 N Jones (leadership and class)
    6 Vince (possesion machine)
    7 Dunn (rock in defence)
    8 Tmac (unbeatable when his confidence is up)
    9 Salem (poise and decision making we lacked after loosing him)
    10 Garland
    11 Brayshaw
    12 Pedo
    13 Garlett
    14 Jetta
    15 VandenBerg
    16 Watts
    17 Tyson (higher up at his best)
    18 Bugg
    19 Frost
    20 Newton
     
  6. pjfairbairn

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    5 for Jonesy? Massive call.... And Tyson at 17?

    I mean, there's objective and personal opinion, and there's being controversial for the sake of it...
     
  7. Canary

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    I did mine more as an 'importance to the team' list. When we have Dawes playing as the second tall he vastly improves our forward line set up, even if he regularly spuds it up. He wouldn't be in my best 22 at all (Pederson would fill that role in my team) but his 'importance' as a big man is understated.
     
  8. Cannon82

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    No argument there, particularly with JKH treading water. We're light on for good small forwards but I still wouldn't have one near the top 5.
     
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    1. Hogan
    2. NJones
    3. TMac
    4. Gawn
    5. Vince
    6. Viney
    7. Garlett
    8. Dunn
    9. Jetta
    10. Tyson
     
  10. d33my

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    I've been thinking what a naughty boy/idiot I was and I have come round to the idea Gawn is probably our number 2 most important player. From memory he was monstrous in the win against Geelong last year and that was one of the best wins of the season.
     
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    As i said tyson at his best would warrant higher, but i should probably move Jones ahead of Kent or ahead of Viney
     

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  12. stretcharmstrong

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    Completely disagree. He kicked 40 goals. Nobody has done that in a Melbourne team besides Hogan for a long time. And he was not actually playing at his peak as you point out. He could easily have kicked 50-55. It is definitely hard to justify dropping certain players down the list, and it's not often that the small forward is recognized as that important but in our situation, I reckon he's that important to our ability to score. JKH is not impressing me, and I don't want Kent plying that close to goal. So he's bloody important IMO.I would have:

    Hogan
    Gawn
    Jones
    Vince
    Garlett
    Tmac
    Viney
    Kent
    ...
    From the rest there isn't much separating them.
     
  13. Cannon82

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    I look at is guys who are hardest to replace if they broke in half and we'd need to get someone else in. Hogan, T Mac and Gawn would be my top 3, even though Jones is our best player. We've got a reasonable cast of mids now and some good developing kids, whereas we've got no one who can go close to doing what Hogan can do, likewise with T Mac and I don't want Spencil anywhere near the team.

    I think Garlett was actually pretty close to his best last year. He could easily have kicked 60, but he's always been a jittery set shot for goal. Any supporting forward was going to do better in our side last year with Hogan creating contests, bringing the ball to ground and dragging two defenders everywhere with him. I don't think Garlett getting injured is going to kill our team, whereas other players going down will.
     
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    Yep, kicked 40.31 last year, which as a percentage isn't too bad, but his set shot kicking in particular was horrible, very easily could have been 50-55 as you said.

    I really hope set shots have been a focus for him this preseason, would really like to not stress out so badly whenever he goes behind a mark
     
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    I am starting to agree there, with just about everything, except that any supporting forward would have done just as well. I don't see any player on our list besides Kent that could have done as well. It's about his smarts, nous, whatever. Knowing where to be and when to maximize scoring potential. He did it very well last year. As you say, he didn't capitalize as well as he could've; but there aren't many other players that would've even been in position to score as frequently as Garlett was. And therein lies his importance. Maybe Nate or Bernie if playing permanent small forward, but that shit ain't happening.
     
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    Didn't say as well, just said better.
     
  17. Dr Whoooooooo

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    Im going this way for my BEST 22 for round 1
    Backs: Neville Jetta | Lynden Dunn | Colin Garland
    Half Backs: Christian Salem | Tom McDonald | Tom Bugg
    Centres: Angus Brayshaw | Bernie Vince | Dom Tyson
    Half Forwards: Aaron Vandenberg | Sam Frost | Dean Kent
    Forwards: Jeff Garlett | Jesse Hogan | Christian Petracca
    Rucks: Max Gawn | Nathan Jones | Jack Viney
    Interchange: Harmes | Grimes | Watts | Lumumba
     
  18. pjfairbairn

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    Was thinking about this again in light of seeing Roosy show his hand with selections in the opening 4 weeks. Taking into account injuries etc, here's my estimate of how Roosy/Selection Panel currently see the list based on selections etc (with players' positions also taken into account):

    1. Nathan Jones
    2. Max Gawn
    3. Jesse Hogan
    4. Jack Viney
    5. Bernie Vince
    6. Tom McDonald
    7. Jeff Garlett
    8. Neville Jetta
    9. Clayton Oliver
    10. Dom Tyson
    11. Jack Watts
    12. Christian Salem
    13. Aaron Vandenberg
    14. Angus Brayshaw
    15. Lynden Dunn
    16. Colin Garland
    17. Ben Kennedy
    18. Dean Kent
    19. Heritier Lumumba
    20. Christian Petracca
    21. Tom Bugg
    21. Matt Jones
    22. James Harmes
    23. Sam Frost
    24. Cam Pedersen
    24. Sam Frost
    25. Chris Dawes
    26. Alex Neal-Bullen
    27. Billy Stretch
    28. Jayden Hunt
    29. Johan Wagner
    30. Alex Neal-Bullen
    31. Jack Trengove
    32. Jack Grimes
    33. Jake Spencer
    34. Oscar McDonald
    35. Sam Weidemann
    36. Ben Newton
    37. Jay Kennedy-Harris
    38. Viv Michie
    39. Mitch White
    40. Dean Terlich
    41. Liam Hulett
    42. Mitch King
    43. Max King
    44. Joel Smith
    45. Jake Melksham
     
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    Frost is really pressuring Pedersen for a spot there

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    Meanwhile, completely unrelated ... But Dr Whoooo is posing as a Sydney supporter now?
     
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    Being a turncoat because of negative supporters is negative. I wonder if we got the word negative trending or schwabbsucks he'd have a melt down
     
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    Watts is in our top 10.
     
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    Pretty difficult exercise.

    1 | Max Gawn
    2 | Bernie Vince
    3 | Jack Viney
    4 | Nathan Jones
    5 | Jesse Hogan

    6 | Jeff Garlett
    7 | Jack Watts
    8 | Tom McDonald
    9 | Neville Jetta
    10 | Jack Trengove

    11 | Dom Tyson
    12 | Angus Brayshaw
    13 | Christian Salem
    14 | Aaron vandenBerg
    15 | Clayton Oliver

    16 | Lynden Dunn
    17 | Christian Petracca
    18 | Ben Kennedy
    19 | Dean Kent
    20 | Jake Melksham

    21 | Cam Pedersen
    22 | Colin Garland
    23 | Heritier Lumumba
    24 | James Harmes
    25 | Tomas Bugg

    26 | Alex Neal-Bullen
    27 | Billy Stretch
    28 | Matt Jones
    29 | Chris Dawes
    30 | Jack Grimes

    31 | Jake Spencer
    32 | Sam Frost
    33 | Ben Newton
    34 | Jayden Hunt
    35 | Mitch White

    36 | Josh Wagner
    37 | Viv Michie
    38 | Oscar McDonald
    39 | Sam Weideman
    40 | Jay Kennedy-Harris

    41 | Max King
    42 | Dean Terlich
    43 | Liam Hulett
    44 | Mitch King
    45 | Joel Smith
     
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    I'd probably have Vince and Viney ahead of Jones these days.
     
  25. Tulip

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    Gawn definitely top right now, I reckon. Will do a list when I get on the computer and off the phone