Ratten on the couch tonight 19/7/10

[BlueBelle]

More papering over the cracks by Ratten. Once that paper breaks, the house will tumble down.

No pressure?!?!?! Sorry but anyone would does not put themselves under pressure - aside from anyone else putting them under pressure - is just allowing mediocrity to manifest itself and spread through the group like wildfire. Low expectations equal poor results.

Thank christ we have Chris Judd. He's the only thing making Carlton worth its while at the moment.

Agree but even Juddy doesn't think there's an issue (press conference after the Bulldogs game).

If the Coach and the Captain doesn't think there's an issue, the players will start believing it too and that is what scares me the most

 

[Silvagnis]

Sheahan must have closed his eyes right before Hampson leapt over Mumford to win the tap.

They still it picked it off because Gibbs was trailing Goodes.

Frawley said Ratten could have had any structure you would like, but we were being beaten in the middle.

That Goodes contest backs it up.

They weren't running hard enough.

The AFLPA wouldn't approve of Ratten running alongside them with taser sticks to get them to work and run harder.

 

[BlueBelle]

OMG! Did I just hear correctly from Caro on Footy Classified? Carlton are under the microscope unfairly!

I am booking in to get my ears cleaned out ASAP!

 

[blues4flag]

Agree but even Juddy doesn't think there's an issue (press conference after the Bulldogs game).

If the Coach and the Captain doesn't think there's an issue, the players will start believing it too and that is what scares me the most

You'd sincerely hope they're not echoing the same sentiments behind closed doors. Probably just a front for the media but I'm sure Ratts is furious.

 

[BlueBelle]

You'd sincerely hope they're not echoing the same sentiments behind closed doors. Probably just a front for the media but I'm sure Ratts is furious.

I really wish he'd show some anger to the Carlton faithful so we can once again have some faith in the man leading our club!!!

I am sick of the calm drivel that is coming out of his mouth!

 

[mediumsizered]

some of the dribble you type.

Yet another pseudo-Richmond supporter. I bet you were one of the few dozen who turned up at Visy Park for the save Fevola rally (can you call a motley collection of supporters a rally?)

 

[All Australian]

What would the Ratten haters out their want him to say publicly. 6 weeks out from the finals and the players are coping it from the media and supporters. What purpose would it serve if he publicly berates the team. Yes we have been poor the last few weeks, for various reasons. Don't think for a second that Ratten isn't grilling the players behind closed doors. Will do nothing for the playing group for the coach to publicly do this. We will see in the next month how much pride there is in this team.

 

[Close to 17]

Exactly right. It's part of their job description. Whatever the coach adds in the area of motivation is icing on the cake.

If we have players whose motivation depends on the coach, rather than the club they are playing for, well they can piss off as far as I am concerned.

I've had this argument here before. It is absolute crap that it is the coach's job to motivate a group of professional athletes.

I suggest you take a course in Management 101

 

[BlueBelle]

What would the Ratten haters out their want him to say publicly. 6 weeks out from the finals and the players are coping it from the media and supporters. What purpose would it serve if he publicly berates the team. Yes we have been poor the last few weeks, for various reasons. Don't think for a second that Ratten isn't grilling the players behind closed doors. Will do nothing for the playing group for the coach to publicly do this. We will see in the next month how much pride there is in this team.

Agree to a certain degree, however, to say yesterday that we were still in the game at half time and the tide is starting to turn.... please justify these statements because I don't see it.

 

[mediumsizered]

What would the Ratten haters out their want him to say publicly. 6 weeks out from the finals and the players are coping it from the media and supporters. What purpose would it serve if he publicly berates the team. Yes we have been poor the last few weeks, for various reasons. Don't think for a second that Ratten isn't grilling the players behind closed doors. Will do nothing for the playing group for the coach to publicly do this. We will see in the next month how much pride there is in this team.

The reality is that when we were sitting at 7-4 we had overachieved. 8-8 is probably a truer reflection of where our list is at, particularly minus the best FF of the past decade.

You are not going to consistently perform like a Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs or Collingwood when, outside of Judd, your most experienced/mature players are the likes of Thornton, Scotland, Houlihan, Hadley, Fisher, Wiggins. Those names don't exactly strike fear into opposition teams, yet they are among the players, Hadley excluded, that we recruited during the ill-fated draft years of 2000-2003, when the Cats, Saints, Bulldogs were recruiting the players that now form the core of their playing lists.

I will keep repeating what I have been saying over & over again. Some people need to stop overrating our list. The majority of our talent lies at the younger end of our list i.e. players recruited 2005 onwards,

 

[Pat_Footy]

In regards to Judd. I've been watching his games and he seems to still be getting all the hard ball inside gets. He is still feeding your other midfielders. I thought that is why the blues paid far too much for Mclean to play that role? Judd still has the attributes to break lines and kick those long bombs that he did at the eagles he just needs to go back to that role on the outside. Is Mclean a dud?

 

[sherb]

I suggest you take a course in Management 101

Why? I'm not the one making excuses for professional athletes who apparently need coaches to hold their hands.

It's always someone else's fault isn't it? Eg, in this case - the players lack motivation, ergo the coaches must be to blame, it couldn't possibly be the players themselves.

The same goes for the supposed lack of skills. "What are the coaches doing about the lack of skills?" I see asked here from time to time. Are our players so damn dumb and stupid that they can't - heaven forbid - work out for themselves that their skills need work and - heaven forbid again - actually take it on themselves to improve them?

It's laughable. According to what I read here at times, apparently the coaches don't oversee a group of professional athletes, with the appropriate professional attitudes, they are overseeing a bunch of dumb, useless little kiddies who can't think for themselves.

 

[WeninRome]

The reality is that when we were sitting at 7-4 we had overachieved. 8-8 is probably a truer reflection of where our list is at, particularly minus the best FF of the past decade.

You are not going to consistently perform like a Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs or Collingwood when, outside of Judd, your most experienced/mature players are the likes of Thornton, Scotland, Houlihan, Hadley, Fisher, Wiggins. Those names don't exactly strike fear into opposition teams, yet they are among the players, Hadley excluded, that we recruited during the ill-fated draft years of 2000-2003, when the Cats, Saints, Bulldogs were recruiting the players that now form the core of their playing lists.

I will keep repeating what I have been saying over & over again. Some people need to stop overrating our list. The majority of our talent lies at the younger end of our list i.e. players recruited 2005 onwards,

Medium...

if we were 8/8 and having a go then yes we are where we should be, but the fact is that we are 8/8 and the 8 games we have lost we have looked bloody terrible.

There are more cracks in the Carlton football club than any other going around at the moment. Every time we come up against a half decently coached team we get belted.

Ratts is and will always be a great Carlton person. I just don't think he can match it with the top half a dozen coaches in the AFL.

 

[Sir CJ]

I'm sick of Ratten's attitude, the way he moaned about the fact the media expected us to finish bottom 8 made me sick, he is under massive pressure and you can't use this as a copout for the fact he is under pressure and the disgraceful, disheartening efforts over the last month, poor form Rats

 

[Close to 17]

The reality is that when we were sitting at 7-4 we had overachieved. 8-8 is probably a truer reflection of where our list is at, particularly minus the best FF of the past decade.

You are not going to consistently perform like a Geelong, St Kilda, Bulldogs or Collingwood when, outside of Judd, your most experienced/mature players are the likes of Thornton, Scotland, Houlihan, Hadley, Fisher, Wiggins. Those names don't exactly strike fear into opposition teams, yet they are among the players, Hadley excluded, that we recruited during the ill-fated draft years of 2000-2003, when the Cats, Saints, Bulldogs were recruiting the players that now form the core of their playing lists.

I will keep repeating what I have been saying over & over again. Some people need to stop overrating our list. The majority of our talent lies at the younger end of our list i.e. players recruited 2005 onwards,

 

[All Australian]

Agree to a certain degree, however, to say yesterday that we were still in the game at half time and the tide is starting to turn.... please justify these statements because I don't see it.

Carlton have in the past 2 seasons, overcome similar deficits to win. Didn't happen on Sunday, but given the situation we had 2 options. 1 was to fight back and be harder at the ball. 2 roll over and get destroyed by 10 plus goals. As disappointing as the result was, as least option 2 didn't happen. The playing group have got very little to be happy about lately, not much to look back on and get confidence going forward. I guess what Ratten is trying to do is install just a bit of confidence, a bit of belief heading into another important game. If he was to fly of the handle at them, remembering the inexperience of the group, it would probably just compound things.

 

[Koutafidamedis]

Medium...

if we were 8/8 and having a go then yes we are where we should be but the fact is that we are 8/8 and the 8 games we have lost we have looked bloody terrible.

There are more cracks in the Carlton football club than any other going around at the moment. Every time we come up against a half decently coached team we get belted.

Ratts is and will always be a great Carlton person. I just don't think he can match it with the top half a dozen coaches in the AFL.

Well said. There's a difference between being 8/8 and fighting for the 4 points every week. Our losses have been quite terrible and I don't think I've walked away from a loss thinking we gave it our all and just lost to a better team.

Some teams seem to play to their best when we play them and it happens too much to be a coincidence - Bombers, Hawks, North, Swans and Dogs.

SHOW SOME FIGHT BLUES

 

[mediumsizered]

I'm sick of Ratten's attitude, the way he moaned about the fact the media expected us to finish bottom 8 made me sick, he is under massive pressure and you can't use this as a copout for the fact he is under pressure and the disgraceful, disheartening efforts over the last month, poor form Rats

No he is not under pressure, that is just what the media want you to believe. They enjoy nothing more than planting seeds & then sitting back & watching as clubs tear themselves apart. They have succeeded in setting Essendon people against Essendon people & now they are doing the same with our club. There is nothing better for selling newspapers than watching high profile teams implode.

I will be ****ed if I want to see our club operating according to an agenda set by the media. Ratts & the players from the leadership group have done the right thing by refusing to give the media what they want. The media can go & get ****ed. The football media deserve to be treated in the same way that Sir Joh used to treat the media, with total contempt.

 

[The Coach]

Why? I'm not the one making excuses for professional athletes who apparently need coaches to hold their hands.

It's always someone else's fault isn't it? Eg, in this case - the players lack motivation, ergo the coaches must be to blame, it couldn't possibly be the players themselves.

The same goes for the supposed lack of skills. "What are the coaches doing about the lack of skills?" I see asked here from time to time. Are our players so damn dumb and stupid that they can't - heaven forbid - work out for themselves that their skills need work and - heaven forbid again - actually take it on themselves to improve them?

It's laughable. According to what I read here at times, apparently the coaches don't oversee a group of professional athletes, with the appropriate professional attitudes, they are overseeing a bunch of dumb, useless little kiddies who can't think for themselves.

I get your points Sherb but also wonder how many of these young men had the ambition to become professional footballers and have done that and have not tired of that yet and thus come to the realization that they will have missed out on something special if they never win a flag

I think there is something to be said for organization by one's leaders. How many workplaces would be as productive without bosses providing clear expectations, goal and task setting and rigid procefures to follow. I think Geelong got sick of under-achieving and brought in professionals which saw the development of a very strong leadership group down there.

 

[laminex]

That man is just a blubbering spineless jellyfish. Out of hi depth.

How dare you you call him spineless, you gutless keyboard hero. The man put his body on the line for the jumper time after time, he may not end up being a great coach but he sure as shit is not spineless. You would shit you pants suit if he shaped up to you, thats if you ever got out from behind you computer you big mouth 2 bit fair weather supporter.

You make me sick.

 

[Sir CJ]

No he is not under pressure, that is just what the media want you to believe. They enjoy nothing more than planting seeds & then sitting back & watching as clubs tear themselves apart. They have succeeded in setting Essendon people against Essendon people & now they are doing the same with our club. There is nothing better for selling newspapers than watching high profile teams implode.

I will be ****ed if I want to see our club operating according to an agenda set by the media. Ratts & the players from the leadership group have done the right thing by refusing to give the media what they want. The media can go & get ****ed. The football media deserve to be treated in the same way that Sir Joh used to treat the media, with total contempt.

Look I understand partly where you're coming from, but how is Ratten not under pressure? I'm not saying I want him sacked, but he clearly stated our aim is to make finals and win a final, on current form we won't be making finals, let along win one

The irony in all this is that while most people expected us to be set back in the short term, I would say most media scribes predicted us to sneak into the 8 still, if we don't make the finals what does that say about the team and coaching staff? Please don't use the "age/experience" excuse either (not you directly MS but just all passionate fans of this club in general)

 

[krayfesh]

The irony in all this is that while most people expected us to be set back in the short term, I would say most media scribes predicted us to sneak into the 8 still, if we don't make the finals what does that say about the team and coaching staff? Please don't use the "age/experience" excuse either (not you directly MS but just all passionate fans of this club in general)

Herald Sun did their predictions at the start of the year. 20-30 people but only 5 said we'd make the finals.

If we don't make the finals, it'll most likely be seen as a readjustment year since we lost Fev and to a lesser extent Stevens.

As much as you say not to use age/experience as an excuse, it is a big reason as to the inconsistent form we've shown this year.

Our forward line is Hendo/Yarran/Garlett with hardly any games. Eddie Betts, who has stepped it up this year and Waite who keeps getting suspended.

Teams need time to work together. We point to Geelong/St Kilda/Bulldogs/Etc (I made a giant post somewhere, I'm not going to find it).

FWIW, I still think we'll make the finals, though.

 

[sherb]

And this & some other comments in this thread highlight the difference between Carlton supporters of a generation ago & now. Once upon a time Carlton supporters would get behind their coach & players & stick it into footy journalists. Nowadays we have a group of supporters who are happy to see the media highlight any negative about our club, in fact I suspect these supporters prefer the negative angle.

Fancy turning on a coach who took us to our first finals series in 8 years & is in with a chance of backing it up again. This behaviour is so un-Carlton like.

It also helps to have a thing called the internet these days where people can post degrading and insulting comments about individuals in the real world, whilst hiding like a coward behind the cloak of anonymity.

I doubt if any of those who do so would have the balls (figuratively speaking) to go and echo the same sentiments to their targets face to face.

The fact that this practice sees some Carlton supporters doing it to individual players and coaches from the club they allegedly support is downright disgusting.

 

[choo]

how dare you you call him spineless, you gutless keyboard hero. The man put his body on the line for the jumper time after time, he may not end up being a great coach but he sure as shit is not spineless. You would shit you pants suit if he shaped up to you, thats if you ever got out from behind you computer you big mouth 2 bit fair weather supporter.

You make me sick.

this

 

[The Coach]

It also helps to have a thing called the internet these days where people can post degrading and insulting comments about individuals in the real world, whilst hiding like a coward behind the cloak of anonymity.

I doubt if any of those who do so would have the balls (figuratively speaking) to go and echo the same sentiments to their targets face to face.

The fact that this practice sees some Carlton supporters doing it to individual players and coaches from the club they allegedly support is downright disgusting.

and maybe some of our supporters confused are too needy ie they need Carlton to be successful for them a little too much