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Raves..

Raving??

  • You go to raves regularly

    Votes: 6 14.6%

  • You go to raves once in a while

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • Interested in possibly going to a rave

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • Never intend to go to a rave

    Votes: 23 56.1%
  • Total voters
    41

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I'm sure that you people realise that Tobacco and Alcohol are responsible for 97% of drug related deaths in societies today. No? Well they are.
Illicit drugs account for the other 3%. Now, I agree with Grendel that 'durgs is drugs is drugs' and it's the 'legal' drugs which are doing the most damage. It's not only 'junkies' who may wind up involved in crime to feed a habit, there's also a **** load of alcoholics forced to steal to feed a habit too.
I could also argue with some of the 'experts' on here about the more addictive drugs, but what's the point? Everybody thinks it's the drugs that the other person takes that are always more addictive, not the stuff, or amount, that I take. Don't get me wrong, I like to indulge and I believe it's 'your' choice to try things if you like, but I've read quite a few 'old wives tails' in this thread.
I'll get off my 'high horse' now and down this last beer.
 
Coke is a significantly weaker drug to ecstacy. It's reputation surpasses its effects. It is good in that it leaves the user with complete confidence in themselves on all levels. It is simply like having the best cup of coffee you have ever had (and yes, I have had some extremely good Coke).

It is advantageous in that there is no sharp "come down" the next day. It is risky, in that you like lots of it. In Australia, the cost of $200-$220 per gram makes it out of the reach of most people and casual use is almost the only way.

M29, yes Tattou is still open, but has been converted into a "rave-like" club (called Bubble) and it ain't as bad as it used to be. Room680 is a seriously hot club at the moment. I haven't been to Seven for a while, but that was also a very good club.

The prominance of these party drugs is at an all time high. I don't condone the use of these chemicals, but promote their informed and responsible use, should anyone like to try them. They have very big risks and perhaps the biggest risk is if you have an addictive personallity. My advice is, know yourself and know the product as best you can!
 

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And one more thing. I have taken ecstacy and been in all sorts of environments.

One of the best nights I had was to take a pill and I ended up at the Arizona Bar in the city (now defunct), which exclusively played metal and it had a great atmosphere. I suspect that many folk in there were also pilling.

Hearing the likes of Tool & Pantera sent me sky high and jumping around like a lunatic was awesome!

I still prefer techno (trance).
 
This thread was great in that there were so many opinions and responses.

I appreciate the comment "drugs is drugs is drugs" because above everything they are illegal and they do damage. Anything that has that effect on your brain / body must be doing some damage.

But look at the facts. 97% of deaths from Alcohol and Tobacco. Ecstacy itself does not kill (very very rarely). It is the dehydration that kills. Thats why water is now available at every rave and you would be an idiot to dance all night and not drink H20.

People can say what they want about people who take drugs. But as long as we (I) am not hurting anyone else and take them responsibly, then I don't give a damn. Its my own body, and I take the consequences. Just like someone who is a heavy-level alchohol drinker.. Just like a smoker.. They all do damage..

It just appears worse because these drugs are illegal. Who can tell how much damage they do if used moderately. There are people out there to take way too much, but obviously thats not responsible drug use.

It also must be realised that they enhance feelings. If someone is in a bad mood it can make it worse, if in a good mood, it makes things much much better.

Macca 19 - I am one of the other 3, now 4, even though i have been cutting down lately. I will probably become option 2 soon.
 
Originally posted by glenferrie boy
But look at the facts. 97% of deaths from Alcohol and Tobacco. Ecstacy itself does not kill (very very rarely). It is the dehydration that kills. Thats why water is now available at every rave and you would be an idiot to dance all night and not drink H20.
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Also gotta be careful not to drink too much water. Ive read many places that you can actually die from drinking too much water and its actually a well known 'condition' that marathon runners have to be careful of as well.
Also have read quite a few places that hi energy drinks are a no-no like red bull, V etc....which made me very confused when there was a red bull tent at Enchanted Forest
 
Originally posted by Macca19
...you can actually die from drinking too much water and its actually a well known 'condition' that marathon runners have to be careful of as well.
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Drowning can actually occur if you over-hydrate and remain fairly inactive.

You can get stuck sitting down and still be in the habit of drinking every 10 seconds. A girl died a few years ago as a result of this, which was the last known death I can remember!

The more we talk about this, the more dangerous it appears (and, I suppose, is). But really, most of what we say is common sense. Your body and mind tells you what you want/need.
 
It all comes down to being responsible, with water/ energy drinks as well.

I haven't heard about drugs & energy drinks having any problems. I have heard that 6+ red bull's (without drugs) can be very dangerous. I don't believe there is a mixing problem though.
 
Yes there is a risk with drugs like E's.
But I think that much of it is over blown and talked up.

Its a bit like shark attacks everyones so scared of them but in perspective there bout as comon as being struck by lightening with all the people swimming in the ocean.
The same can be said for E's there are risks but with a few safty measures the risks are minimal and with all honesty you take more of a risk getting in the car.
 
Originally posted by Michele


Reading the topic and following the "justification" of taking drugs and the comparison of "a chemical" induced haze" is equal to a natural high, makes me believe the damage has already been done.

"Oh, I checked on this site..............and it gave me a run-down of xyz. Are you budding pharmacists? GROW UP!

Do you care or do you have you any idea of the harmful longlasting effects you are causing to your own bodies.

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Agree. I bet the pricks that broke into my house, so they could end up shoving it up their arms, thought they were "having fun" when they first experimented too. Look where they are now. Don't kid yourselves drugs are drugs whether you call them "recreational" or any other fancy name. If you think you don't have a problem with them try going to your boring old raves without them and see.
Geez, am I glad that I don't have to shove anything up my nose, or up my arm to give me the illusion that I am having fun!
 
Originally posted by Bee


Do you realise you are telling a child to shove crap up her nose?
What if someone did that to your daughter!
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Bee, you are right. I didn't intend by starting this thread for it to be an insight into the world of drugs. Unfortunately some people have strayed from the topic.
 

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Originally posted by Bee


Agree. I bet the pricks that broke into my house, so they could end up shoving it up their arms, thought they were "having fun" when they first experimented too. Look where they are now. Don't kid yourselves drugs are drugs whether you call them "recreational" or any other fancy name. If you think you don't have a problem with them try going to your boring old raves without them and see.
Geez, am I glad that I don't have to shove anything up my nose, or up my arm to give me the illusion that I am having fun!
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Firstly Bee, that is unbelievably ignorant and it astounds me that you could make such a comment. You're saying that all burglars are drug addicts?? Look, i am sorry that you have been burgled, but to go out and blame that on drug users is extremely unfair. I would go as far as to say that Ravers are less likely to burgle houses than your average "joe" on the street.

Secondly, to say that drugs provide the user with the illusion they are having fun is grossly incorrect. It gives the taker a higher sence of emotion (i'm talking about E here) whether it is a good or bad mood. In effect, the user needs to be in a good mood first otherwise it simply compounds the bad feeling (in the majority of situations). Most people don't go out and expect that the drugs will give them fun.. they (and i am generalising here) firstly go for the music, then dancing, then atmosphere and then drugs. If drugs are first in that order then they are in the scene for the wrong reason..
You think that someone who despises techno or anything dance related could be taken to a rave, given a couple of pills and have a good night? i doubt it.

And finally, I have been to raves without taking any "illegal" substances, and still had a great night. It simply enhances the night, rather than providing all the fun.
 
Originally posted by glenferrie boy


Firstly Bee, that is unbelievably ignorant and it astounds me that you could make such a comment. You're saying that all burglars are drug addicts?? Look, i am sorry that you have been burgled, but to go out and blame that on drug users is extremely unfair. I would go as far as to say that Ravers are less likely to burgle houses than your average "joe" on the street.

Secondly, to say that drugs provide the user with the illusion they are having fun is grossly incorrect. It gives the taker a higher sence of emotion (i'm talking about E here) whether it is a good or bad mood. In effect, the user needs to be in a good mood first otherwise it simply compounds the bad feeling (in the majority of situations). Most people don't go out and expect that the drugs will give them fun.. they (and i am generalising here) firstly go for the music, then dancing, then atmosphere and then drugs. If drugs are first in that order then they are in the scene for the wrong reason..
You think that someone who despises techno or anything dance related could be taken to a rave, given a couple of pills and have a good night? i doubt it.

And finally, I have been to raves without taking any "illegal" substances, and still had a great night. It simply enhances the night, rather than providing all the fun.
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Firstly that post was not directed at you. It was directed more at the people who have posted that what fun they have at raves after they have done a few lines of coke. I know what you intended with your thread.

Secondly I did not say that ravers would be likely to burgle anyones house. I was giving a generalisation that drug use is not the fun most people seem to think it is. The people who burgled my house are addicts and at one time they took drugs for fun and never thought they'd end up with a problem and I am not saying that everyone who does drugs will end up with a problem either.
But just don't fool yourself into believing that it won't happen to you ( generalising again).

And the comment was not ignorant about burglars being drug addicts the majority of the house breakings done these days are carried out by addicts who intend to shove it up their arm. Check the facts with the police if you don't believe me or come in here and see the facts and files I have at work on it!

And lastly I do no think it is funny for someone to tell a 14 year old to shove rubbish up her nose before she goes out and see what a good time she has with it.
 
Originally posted by Bee


Firstly that post was not directed at you. It was directed more at the people who have posted that what fun they have at raves after they have done a few lines of coke. I know what you intended with your thread.

Secondly I did not say that ravers would be likely to burgle anyones house. I was giving a generalisation that drug use is not the fun most people seem to think it is. The people who burgled my house are addicts and at one time they took drugs for fun and never thought they'd end up with a problem and I am not saying that everyone who does drugs will end up with a problem either.
But just don't fool yourself into believing that it won't happen to you ( generalising again).

And the comment was not ignorant about burglars being drug addicts the majority of the house breakings done these days are carried out by addicts who intend to shove it up their arm. Check the facts with the police if you don't believe me or come in here and see the facts and files I have at work on it!
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Can I make something clear. People who rave take E's and coke, I would say that 95% at least do not inject anything. I have been in the scene for a while now (3 years) and have never socialised with someone who does so. I would believe that most burglaries are done by smack addicts, however I try to distance myself and the rave scene as far away as possible from all injected chemicals.

And lastly I do no think it is funny for someone to tell a 14 year old to shove rubbish up her nose before she goes out and see what a good time she has with it.
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I totally agree!
 
Originally posted by Bee

If you think you don't have a problem with them try going to your boring old raves without them and see.
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been there done that. Had a different sort of fun, but it was definatly just as good.

Geez, am I glad that I don't have to shove anything up my nose, or up my arm to give me the illusion that I am having fun!
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good for you. Everyone who takes drugs does it for different reasons. The weak minded people get addicted. Strong willed people who know what they are doing dont. Dont need to take drugs to have 'fun', i dont do it at raves or whatever to have fun...ive had fun without it before...i do it for other reasons.
You shouldnt generalise so much
 
Originally posted by Bee
Firstly that post was not directed at you. It was directed more at the people who have posted that what fun they have at raves after they have done a few lines of coke. I know what you intended with your thread.
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So what if people posted they had fun at raves after a few lines of coke. Good on em for being honest i say.

The people who burgled my house are addicts and at one time they took drugs for fun and never thought they'd end up with a problem and I am not saying that everyone who does drugs will end up with a problem either.
But just don't fool yourself into believing that it won't happen to you ( generalising again).
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well i know it wont happen to me. Im not an addictive type person. I smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a week for 3 years...i always told my friends i could give up anytime, anywhere, its just just i did not want to...they didnt believe me...i told my friends i was quitting, they laughed and said within a week ill be back smoking. I quit smoking cold turkey, no nicorrette, no nicobate, no patches, none of those tablets you get from doctors....cold turkey, and went 4 months without a smoke. If i can do that with smoking...which in my view is more addictive than any drug ive had, then ill have no problems being able to stop taking anything else I decide to take. Same as with the smoking, i enjoy it, and dont want to stop doing it. The time will come when i will stop doing it, and it wont be a problem giving it up. Everyone thought i was a pothead too...until i went 2 years without touching it.

And the comment was not ignorant about burglars being drug addicts the majority of the house breakings done these days are carried out by addicts who intend to shove it up their arm.
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Why do you think everyone who takes drugs wants to shove stuff up their arm?? Ill NEVER do that....because i have a major fear of anything to do with needles or injections. The main drug to 'shove up your arm' is heroin...and noone i know that uses drugs has ever felt the need to try that.
 
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Everyone who takes drugs does it for different reasons. The weak minded people get addicted. Strong willed people who know what they are doing dont.
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Ah! That old lie!

Taking drugs is weak-minded, period. And the stronger the drug, the weaker the mind.

I drink alcohol. I consider it a "weakness".

Using more dangerous drugs (heroin, cocaine) - drugs that are known to be extremely dangerous, or foreign chemicals such as speed, ecstacy or sniffing glue, petrol whatever - is particularly weak. And pretty stupid too.

You have time to make the right decisions. But not much.
 

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Originally posted by Macca19




Why do you think everyone who takes drugs wants to shove stuff up their arm?? Ill NEVER do that....because i have a major fear of anything to do with needles or injections. The main drug to 'shove up your arm' is heroin...and noone i know that uses drugs has ever felt the need to try that.
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I never said that! What I said was the majority of people who break into homes are smack addicts. I didn't say that everyone who does drugs wants to inject heroin. Don't read things into it!
What I was getting at was these people didn't start out on heroin, they were just using "recreational" drugs to start with just a little bit of socialising a little bit of fun. Unfortunately, unlike you, they DID have addictive personalities. You are obviously one of the lucky ones. Stop taking it personally it wasn't aimed at you.
 
Originally posted by Bee

I never said that! What I said was the majority of people who break into homes are smack addicts. I didn't say that everyone who does drugs wants to inject heroin. Don't read things into it!
What I was getting at was these people didn't start out on heroin, they were just using "recreational" drugs to start with just a little bit of socialising a little bit of fun. Unfortunately, unlike you, they DID have addictive personalities. You are obviously one of the lucky ones. Stop taking it personally it wasn't aimed at you.
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Nah wasnt taking it personally. I dont think many recreational drug users would ever try heroin. id say the majority (havent seen the figures so its just a guess) of recreational drug users would never try heroin. Mainly cos its too expensive, and its very easy to OD on it, and most people dont like sticking needles in their arms.
 
Originally posted by Macca19


I'd say the majority (havent seen the figures so its just a guess) of recreational drug users would never try heroin. Mainly cos its too expensive ...
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Nope!

Not true!

As recently as the year 2000 heroin was dirt cheap, with the result that close to 400 Victorians died from it.

Tougher policing/customs since then dried up the supply of heroin, driving up the price and reducing the number of fatalities.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank



Ah! That old lie!

Taking drugs is weak-minded, period. And the stronger the drug, the weaker the mind.
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That's your opinion. And i don't agree. Its not about being weak minded to try drugs. You only live once, why not try a few things. If you enjoy them, why not do them some more.. But do them in moderation. It requires a strong mind that enjoys these substances (alcohol and smoking included) to actually get off them afterwards.



I drink alcohol. I consider it a "weakness".

Using more dangerous drugs (heroin, cocaine) - drugs that are known to be extremely dangerous, or foreign chemicals such as speed, ecstacy or sniffing glue, petrol whatever - is particularly weak. And pretty stupid too.

You have time to make the right decisions. But not much.
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Why is drinking alchohol a weakness?? It is a social thing to do (usually) and the majority of times is enjoyable, as long as it doesn't become an addiction. That is the weakness.

You can class these drugs however you want.. but show me evidence that small to moderate use of speed/ecstacy lead to long term effects and i'll listen.
 
Originally posted by TigerTank


Nope!

Not true!

As recently as the year 2000 heroin was dirt cheap, with the result that close to 400 Victorians died from it.

Tougher policing/customs since then dried up the supply of heroin, driving up the price and reducing the number of fatalities.
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TT, show me facts that these victorians that died from heroin OD's were also recreational drug users (ravers)...
 

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