Autopsy Rd 16 Blues last quarter comeback ends in heartbreak

Who played well for the Blues against the Dees in Round 16?


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Re-watched the game

1st Qtr - Our hands, disposal by hand and foot was putrid. Dow in the open kicking to a leading McGovern was poor, ball slingshots to the other end an Demons convert. If he is to remain in the side it can't be as a high HF, a deep leading pocket player would suit better. Walsh's attack on the ball was beyond his years. Levi's kicking has continued to improve.McGovern from 20 metres out, needs to convert from those shots. Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 4 goals

2nd Qtr - Again our decision making and disposal was poor, many times when players were out, we couldn't hit them. Levi's continued to be good by foot, Jack was also clean again and our best player for the half, followed by Weitering how controlled the aerial contests. Again, Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 3 goals

Not sure how we were so close at half time, our workrate to run defensively was poor, amazingly Demons outnumbered us in the forward half when they spread

3rd Qtr - Awareness and composure was again poor, panicking around stoppages with one handball then a kick rather than releasing the ball through a series of handballs, again this stems from players not being on the move to get in the clear for the next handball receive. Levi again kicking straight. Who would have thought we would be calling for 2 Jack's, one forward and one on the ball. Setterfield is starting to move more freely, especially sideways, his kicking will start to improve dramatically. Of the 7 goals Demons kicked only 1 was directly from an umpire decision to McDonald when Jones planted his foot in his lower back in a marking contest, but failed to touch the ball, free kick was accurate

4th Qtr - All of a sudden we are a different side. Now 2 or more handballs from congestion to a player on the outer, kicking with more penetration to leading targets, 2 way running, spread and turning around a 38 point deficit to hit the lead. Then when the game is there to be won, needing composure in pressure moments, we cough the ball up. Walsh shoots a ball out by hand back into play that hits no one, while SPS was clean hiting Newman, he too fumbles, SPS again and hits Simmo by hand who stupidly tries to hit a short target inside rather than either releasing to the outside by hand or foot. The rest is history, even though McGovern could have squared the scores with a freak attempt

This game was lost in the first 3 quarters, poor intent and attack on the ball and player, apart from players such as Kruezer, SPS, Jack, Weitering and the best of them in Walsh. Our 2 way running, especially defensively cost us. What was also glaring is how many times we were pushed off the ball, or not able to stick tackles. All this could be attributed to most of our younger players needing another preseason.

Jack was clearly our best, when many around him fumbled or lacked composure, Jack seemed to buck that trend.

Kruezer while not outstanding was vital. SPS worked his way back into the game and guys like Kennedy, Setterfield are building nicely. Levi stays on the list, even as a mere backup for injury next year and get rid of Lobbe and Phillips, target a 23-26 year old ruck/forward. Newman is a good kick, but he is biting off too much in critical periods. Dow either plays as a hard leading forward pocket if he is to remain forward, rather than a high HF. Perhaps needs to spend some time each quarter back on the ball.

As for the umpires, not sure what game many of you were watching, even people stating that Demons kicked 12 goals from there 15. I only counted 1 to McDonald and IMHO it was a correct call.
You’ve just completely made up your umpire comments.
 

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You’ve just completely made up your umpire comments.
Go watch the game again. One free kick to McDonald, his 1st goal of the second half, which was there from a contest with Jones.

No other frees to the Demons that was a direct shot on goal

Us on the other hand, at least 3 free kicks, with a direct shot on goal

The melts regarding the umpiring were completely unjustified
 

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Go watch the game again. One free kick to McDonald, his 1st goal of the second half, which was there from a contest with Jones.

No other frees to the Demons that was a direct shot on goal

Us on the other hand, at least 3 free kicks, with a direct shot on goal

The melts regarding the umpiring were completely unjustified
I’ve watched it twice. Your summary is rubbish.
 

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Q1: free kicks against SPS and Ed Curnow complete rubbish. Part of continuing field position advantage to them. Salem 50 bulls**t. Plowman spoil was fine against Brayshaw bulls**t free. Free against Weiters to Weidemna a joke. Free against SPS again rubbish. Free against Gibbons rubbish.

That’s Q1. We played rubbish but it wasn’t helped by continual crap umpiring that reinforced their field position advantage way more so than it should have done.
 

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So can’t find an argument with me you can win? You said the umpiring was fine. I said you made it up. I’ve re-watched one quarter. Just to humour you. The umpring was rubbish. Not cheating. Just crap. I had already rewatched the whole game. And posted on that previously. If you don’t understand footy well enough to realise what field position and repeat entries does to probability of scoring then that’s your issue.
 

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So can’t find an argument with me you can win? You said the umpiring was fine. I said you made it up. I’ve re-watched one quarter. Just to humour you. The umpring was rubbish. Not cheating. Just crap. I had already rewatched the whole game. And posted on that previously. If you don’t understand footy well enough to realise what field position and repeat entries does to probability of scoring then that’s your issue.
Re-read my post, 1 out of 15 goals, from a direct free kick, which was accurate. As for around the ground free kicks, they were a 2 way streak.

Stop sooking, we lost due to our poor disposal and decision making for most of the game, not umpire decisions
 

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So can't find a free kick that resulted on a direct shot on goal?
It’s not just direct shots on goal. It’s the terrible frees that lead to those shots. Like the example I already gave, holding the ball against Petracca (I think) in the 3rd, instead paid holding the man. So instead of us kicking inside 50, they’re kicking into an open forwardline for a goal.
 

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Re-read my post, 1 out of 15 goals, from a direct free kick, which was accurate. As for around the ground free kicks, they were a 2 way streak.

Stop sooking, we lost due to our poor disposal and decision making for most of the game, not umpire decisions
I re read your post. You said that. And you also said the umpiring comments were rubbish. Just because YOuR poor analysis says that poor umpring can only be ‘direct shots on goal’ doesn’t make you right. Just because you’re corrected on your poor analysis by people like me doesn’t mean we are sooking.

I can do this all week tiger. You game?
 

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It’s not just direct shots on goal. It’s the terrible frees that lead to those shots. Like the example I already gave, holding the ball against Petracca (I think) in the 3rd, instead paid holding the man. So instead of us kicking inside 50, they’re kicking into an open forwardline for a goal.
Was it the umpires fault that their forwards were free and our backman had poor position? What would have happened if he broke the tackle and moved the ball quicker, than having to regather the ball after the free kick, which gave our backman even more time to gain a better position?

Stop blaming the umpires
 

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I re read your post. You said that. And you also said the umpiring comments were rubbish. Just because YOuR poor analysis says that poor umpring can only be ‘direct shots on goal’ doesn’t make you right. Just because you’re corrected on your poor analysis by people like me doesn’t mean we are sooking.

I can do this all week tiger. You game?
So can i sport, so did we have any favourable free kicks, that resulted in direct shots on goal and or forward 50 entries?
 

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Was it the umpires fault that their forwards were free and our backman had poor position? What would have happened if he broke the tackle and moved the ball quicker, than having to regather the ball after the free kick, which gave our backman even more time to gain a better position?

Stop blaming the umpires
Are you really that analytically inept? Let me ask you this, if a person is extremely overweight and it’s MOSTlY due to their eating, but they ALSO don’t exercise, do you think the lack of exercising plays a role? It IS actually possible we played very poorly AND the umpires didn’t help. It is possible MOST of the reason we lost is that we played poorly. Which we all agree with. BUT for a lot of the first three quarters we did not get the run of a lot of 50/50 frees which hurt our field position and momentum. And that made us further behind than we ought to have been.Just because YOU don’t get that or don’t agree with that doesn’t make you right.
 

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Are you really that analytically inept? Let me ask you this, if a person is extremely overweight and it’s MOSTlY due to their eating, but they ALSO don’t exercise, do you think the lack of exercising plays a role? It IS actually possible we played very poorly AND the umpires didn’t help. It is possible MOST of the reason we lost is that we played poorly. Which we all agree with. BUT for a lot of the first three quarters we did not get the run of a lot of 50/50 frees which hurt our field position and momentum. And that made us further behind than we ought to have been.Just because YOU don’t get that or don’t agree with that doesn’t make you right.
So rather than answering the question you choose to deflect and now continue to play the man? But happy to entertain you. How about you stick to the facts rather than your frustrated opinion, due to the loss of the game.
 

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So can i sport, so did we have any favourable free kicks, that resulted in direct shots on goal and or forward 50 entries?
Oh God you thought I was serious.. Dear oh dear arrow. I’d rather pull nails out of my feet than talk footy with you. Have a good one!
 

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Stop blaming the umpires
There were 3 terrible decisions in the 3rd quarter which resulted in Melbourne goals. This wasn’t the only reason we lost (not rocking up till half time, our appalling turnovers), but this still had a huge influence over the 5 point result. When looking at the reasons we lost, it shouldn’t be ignored.

The one against Jones in the first minute of the third quarter stretched the very manageable 19 point margin to 25. Theses things influence the result.
 

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There were 3 terrible decisions in the 3rd quarter which resulted in Melbourne goals. This wasn’t the only reason we lost (not rocking up till half time, our appalling turnovers), but this still had a huge influence over the 5 point result. When looking at the reasons we lost, it shouldn’t be ignored.

The one against Jones in the first minute of the third quarter stretched the very manageable 19 point margin to 25. Theses things influence the result.
The one against Jones was there, planted his foot in McDonald's lower back, pushed him under the ball and made no contact with the ball himself

The one paid to Petracca was there, he never had control of the ball

Which others were terrible?
 

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Still playing the man rather than trying to be factual, you really do struggle.
Arrow here’s a factual simple summary: your view is that umpires didn’t have an impact. Your evidence for that is direct shots on goal (I haven’t bothered checking). My view is that for the first three quarters the rub of the green in 50/50s went strongly against us and hurt field position badly. Which leads to goals (either foregone opportunity cost goals or direct goals). You don’t get it. You’re not even capable of agreeing to disagree. So the convo is over. No man playing. Just over.
 
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