Autopsy Rd 16 Blues last quarter comeback ends in heartbreak

Who played well for the Blues against the Dees in Round 16?


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F_therest

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The most turnovers i can recall our back 6 making and resulted in lots of goals to Melbourne...some absolute shockers. Cut those down and we win easily. Hopefully it was a one off, we're not usually that bad.

Positives
  • The individual form of JSOS & Casboult...both have been maligned over the journey but were our best 2 players and putting together great seasons. Think we need to keep Casboult now.
  • Kennedy & Setterfield showing that they will be key players to our side in the years to come as players who can rotate mid/forward.
  • Dow & Setterfield have both improved their set shot kicking...both of their kicking actions look good now. Dow has kicked 2 in last 2 weeks and Setters kicked all 3 of his set shots vs Melbourne.
  • We kicked 100 points again despite not having McKay, Curnow & Cunners...not to mention Cripps & Doc. That's impressive. We have now kicked 100 points 3 times this year after not doing it for 3 years.
  • We again showed we can score quickly, meaning we are an offensive threat to opposition teams and shows the team at least have a fighting mindset and don't easily throw in the towel.
If losing the likes of Cripps/McKay/Curnow for a few games was what was required to 'unearth' JSOS/Kennedy/Setterfield where they really showed they can be best 22 players for years to come then it may have been a blessing in disguise, even if it costs us some wins.
 

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I don't think Plowman is that bad by foot, but agree his decision making is very average and cause the turnovers. The daisy-cutter he kicked to JSOS showed he can have great footskills. A lot of the time his errors are lack of awareness (e.g needs to kick it lower or a bullet because someone is closing in) or tries to do too much. Same for Marchbank, its like they don't have peripheral vision sometimes.
I get what u are saying but that “daisy cutter” is the exception for him, not the norm. Yes he gets “crap jobs” playing on tough opponents but I’m afraid as a defender that is his job! Atm he is a conduit to goals for oppo teams either by poor defensive efforts or turnovers. His best is pretty good but he has a lot to sort out.
 

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Slow starts does not equal lack of effort. Melbourne were constantly shrugging us and able to get away a next possession all the first half. Another pre season or two and tackles stick, bodies hold their ground.
The running capacity that this group has will not go away as they develop some “man strength”.
Soon we will be the ones owning the ball inside and running the game out.

It’s a long game, we are tracking very well



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Well said. 14 Melbourne players aged 23 to 27. We had 5.

They won’t be so easy to shrug off soon.
 

agro

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Slow starts does not equal lack of effort. Melbourne were constantly shrugging us and able to get away a next possession all the first half. Another pre season or two and tackles stick, bodies hold their ground.
The running capacity that this group has will not go away as they develop some “man strength”.
Soon we will be the ones owning the ball inside and running the game out.

It’s a long game, we are tracking very well



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Whilst I agree with most of that - until we get rid of the players who constantly turn the ball over then we’ll never take the next step.

We would have been well in the game in the first half if we hadn’t torched the ball so often, and most of those “torchers” were in the age bracket that have that “man strength”.
 

BeijingBlue

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Whilst I agree with most of that - until we get rid of the players who constantly turn the ball over then we’ll never take the next step.

We would have been well in the game in the first half if we hadn’t torched the ball so often, and most of those “torchers” were in the age bracket that have that “man strength”.
Yes the boys were brushed off but those howlers from Murphy, Plowman, Simmo, Jones were killers.
 

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Probably been said but congratulations to all Carlton supporters for the absolutely great crowd of 55,000 + for the early Sunday time slot. Fantastic crowd and a real feather in the cap for our club and supporter base.
School hols and a Sunday as well!


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Whilst I agree with most of that - until we get rid of the players who constantly turn the ball over then we’ll never take the next step.

We would have been well in the game in the first half if we hadn’t torched the ball so often, and most of those “torchers” were in the age bracket that have that “man strength”.
Its been a problem for a loooong time.
I think that Teague goes to the problem when he talks about concentration needing to be much better.
Not sure any other coach of ours has actually adressed it this way.
Headspace.
 

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Re-watched the game

1st Qtr - Our hands, disposal by hand and foot was putrid. Dow in the open kicking to a leading McGovern was poor, ball slingshots to the other end an Demons convert. If he is to remain in the side it can't be as a high HF, a deep leading pocket player would suit better. Walsh's attack on the ball was beyond his years. Levi's kicking has continued to improve.McGovern from 20 metres out, needs to convert from those shots. Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 4 goals

2nd Qtr - Again our decision making and disposal was poor, many times when players were out, we couldn't hit them. Levi's continued to be good by foot, Jack was also clean again and our best player for the half, followed by Weitering how controlled the aerial contests. Again, Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 3 goals

Not sure how we were so close at half time, our workrate to run defensively was poor, amazingly Demons outnumbered us in the forward half when they spread

3rd Qtr - Awareness and composure was again poor, panicking around stoppages with one handball then a kick rather than releasing the ball through a series of handballs, again this stems from players not being on the move to get in the clear for the next handball receive. Levi again kicking straight. Who would have thought we would be calling for 2 Jack's, one forward and one on the ball. Setterfield is starting to move more freely, especially sideways, his kicking will start to improve dramatically. Of the 7 goals Demons kicked only 1 was directly from an umpire decision to McDonald when Jones planted his foot in his lower back in a marking contest, but failed to touch the ball, free kick was accurate

4th Qtr - All of a sudden we are a different side. Now 2 or more handballs from congestion to a player on the outer, kicking with more penetration to leading targets, 2 way running, spread and turning around a 38 point deficit to hit the lead. Then when the game is there to be won, needing composure in pressure moments, we cough the ball up. Walsh shoots a ball out by hand back into play that hits no one, while SPS was clean hiting Newman, he too fumbles, SPS again and hits Simmo by hand who stupidly tries to hit a short target inside rather than either releasing to the outside by hand or foot. The rest is history, even though McGovern could have squared the scores with a freak attempt

This game was lost in the first 3 quarters, poor intent and attack on the ball and player, apart from players such as Kruezer, SPS, Jack, Weitering and the best of them in Walsh. Our 2 way running, especially defensively cost us. What was also glaring is how many times we were pushed off the ball, or not able to stick tackles. All this could be attributed to most of our younger players needing another preseason.

Jack was clearly our best, when many around him fumbled or lacked composure, Jack seemed to buck that trend.

Kruezer while not outstanding was vital. SPS worked his way back into the game and guys like Kennedy, Setterfield are building nicely. Levi stays on the list, even as a mere backup for injury next year and get rid of Lobbe and Phillips, target a 23-26 year old ruck/forward. Newman is a good kick, but he is biting off too much in critical periods. Dow either plays as a hard leading forward pocket if he is to remain forward, rather than a high HF. Perhaps needs to spend some time each quarter back on the ball.

As for the umpires, not sure what game many of you were watching, even people stating that Demons kicked 12 goals from there 15. I only counted 1 to McDonald and IMHO it was a correct call.
 
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Macca43

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Re-watched the game

1st Qtr - Our hands, disposal by hand and foot was putrid. Dow in the open kicking to a leading McGovern was poor, ball slingshots to the other end an Demons convert. If he is to remain in the side it can't be as a high HF, a deep leading pocket player would suit better. Walsh's attack on the ball was beyond his years. Levi's kicking has continued to improve.McGovern from 20 metres out, needs to convert from those shots. Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 4 goals

2nd Qtr - Again our decision making and disposal was poor, many times when players were out, we couldn't hit them. Levi's continued to be good by foot, Jack was also clean again and our best player for the half, followed by Weitering how controlled the aerial contests. Again, Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 3 goals

Not sure how we were so close at half time, our workrate to run defensively was poor, amazingly Demons outnumbered us in the forward half when they spread

3rd Qtr - Awareness and composure was again poor, panicking around stoppages with one handball then a kick rather than releasing the ball through a series of handballs, again this stems from players not being on the move to get in the clear for the next handball receive. Levi again kicking straight. Who would have thought we would be calling for 2 Jack's, one forward and one on the ball. Setterfield is starting to move more freely, especially sideways, his kicking will start to improve dramatically. Of the 7 goals Demons kicked only 1 was directly from an umpire decision to McDonald when Jones planted his foot in his lower back in a marking contest, but failed to touch the ball, free kick was accurate

4th Qtr - All of a sudden we are a different side. Now 2 or more handballs from congestion to a player on the outer, kicking with more penetration to leading targets, 2 way running, spread and turning around a 38 point deficit to hit the lead. Then when the game is there to be won, needing composure in pressure moments, we cough the ball up. Walsh shoots a ball out by hand back into play that hits no one, while SPS was clean hiting Newman, he too fumbles, SPS again and hits Simmo by hand who stupidly tries to hit a short target inside rather than either releasing to the outside by hand or foot. The rest is history, even though McGovern could have squared the scores with a freak attempt

This game was lost in the first 3 quarters, poor intent and attack on the ball and player, apart from players such as Kruezer, SPS, Jack, Weitering and the best of them in Walsh. Our 2 way running, especially defensively cost us. What was also glaring is how many times we were pushed off the ball, or not able to stick tackles. All this could be attributed to most of our younger players needing another preseason.

Jack was clearly our best, when many around him fumbled or lacked composure, Jack seemed to buck that trend.

Kruezer while not outstanding was vital. SPS worked his way back into the game and guys like Kennedy, Setterfield are building nicely. Levi stays on the list, even as a mere backup for injury next year and get rid of Lobbe and Phillips, target a 23-26 year old ruck/forward. Newman is a good kick, but he is biting off too much in critical periods. Dow either plays as a hard leading forward pocket if he is to remain forward, rather than a high HF. Perhaps needs to spend some time each quarter back on the ball.

As for the umpires, not sure what game many of you were watching, even people stating that Demons kicked 12 goals from there 15. I only counted 1 to McDonald and IMHO it was a correct call.
Good summary but bit harsh to highlight Dow missing McGovern but not mention him hitting the much harder kick to Gibbons in the last (or slotting the goal in the first - I couldn't believe McGovern missed his shot and then Dow kicked his - it was a strange day).
On Setterfield I really like the way he is building but his dropped chest mark (possibly could ave got the free but take the mark and you don't need it) and his fumble of SPS' handball after JSOS' great contest with Hibberd are the type's of things he needs to get out of his game.
 

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Re-watched the game

1st Qtr - Our hands, disposal by hand and foot was putrid. Dow in the open kicking to a leading McGovern was poor, ball slingshots to the other end an Demons convert. If he is to remain in the side it can't be as a high HF, a deep leading pocket player would suit better. Walsh's attack on the ball was beyond his years. Levi's kicking has continued to improve.McGovern from 20 metres out, needs to convert from those shots. Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 4 goals

2nd Qtr - Again our decision making and disposal was poor, many times when players were out, we couldn't hit them. Levi's continued to be good by foot, Jack was also clean again and our best player for the half, followed by Weitering how controlled the aerial contests. Again, Umpires did not directly contribute to any of the Demon's 3 goals

Not sure how we were so close at half time, our workrate to run defensively was poor, amazingly Demons outnumbered us in the forward half when they spread

3rd Qtr - Awareness and composure was again poor, panicking around stoppages with one handball then a kick rather than releasing the ball through a series of handballs, again this stems from players not being on the move to get in the clear for the next handball receive. Levi again kicking straight. Who would have thought we would be calling for 2 Jack's, one forward and one on the ball. Setterfield is starting to move more freely, especially sideways, his kicking will start to improve dramatically. Of the 7 goals Demons kicked only 1 was directly from an umpire decision to McDonald when Jones planted his foot in his lower back in a marking contest, but failed to touch the ball, free kick was accurate

4th Qtr - All of a sudden we are a different side. Now 2 or more handballs from congestion to a player on the outer, kicking with more penetration to leading targets, 2 way running, spread and turning around a 38 point deficit to hit the lead. Then when the game is there to be won, needing composure in pressure moments, we cough the ball up. Walsh shoots a ball out by hand back into play that hits no one, while SPS was clean hiting Newman, he too fumbles, SPS again and hits Simmo by hand who stupidly tries to hit a short target inside rather than either releasing to the outside by hand or foot. The rest is history, even though McGovern could have squared the scores with a freak attempt

This game was lost in the first 3 quarters, poor intent and attack on the ball and player, apart from players such as Kruezer, SPS, Jack, Weitering and the best of them in Walsh. Our 2 way running, especially defensively cost us. What was also glaring is how many times we were pushed off the ball, or not able to stick tackles. All this could be attributed to most of our younger players needing another preseason.

Jack was clearly our best, when many around him fumbled or lacked composure, Jack seemed to buck that trend.

Kruezer while not outstanding was vital. SPS worked his way back into the game and guys like Kennedy, Setterfield are building nicely. Levi stays on the list, even as a mere backup for injury next year and get rid of Lobbe and Phillips, target a 23-26 year old ruck/forward. Newman is a good kick, but he is biting off too much in critical periods. Dow either plays as a hard leading forward pocket if he is to remain forward, rather than a high HF. Perhaps needs to spend some time each quarter back on the ball.

As for the umpires, not sure what game many of you were watching, even people stating that Demons kicked 12 goals from there 15. I only counted 1 to McDonald and IMHO it was a correct call.
I don't have a busy life but why would you watch the game again? Surely got better things to do?

Good on you if you love it that much but always surprises me people rewatch games so much
 

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Good summary but bit harsh to highlight Dow missing McGovern but not mention him hitting the much harder kick to Gibbons in the last (or slotting the goal in the first - I couldn't believe McGovern missed his shot and then Dow kicked his - it was a strange day).
On Setterfield I really like the way he is building but his dropped chest mark (possibly could ave got the free but take the mark and you don't need it) and his fumble of SPS' handball after JSOS' great contest with Hibberd are the type's of things he needs to get out of his game.
Might seem harsh on Dow, but it wasn't a difficult kick from any player being that clear.

I think they either have to play him as a very deep forward pocket with some time on the ball, or back around the contest
 

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I don't have a busy life but why would you watch the game again? Surely got better things to do?

Good on you if you love it that much but always surprises me people rewatch games so much
You miss things first time around as a supporter watching your team play, evident by the posts of many directly after a game, especially this week with the umpire bashing
 

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Called out both Dow and MM kicks as being poor. Yes, Dow did kick a nice set shot. Setters was a bad miss in terms of a chest mark, but he is building

Might seem harsh on Dow, but it wasn't a difficult kick from any player being that clear.

I think they either have to play him as a very deep forward pocket with some time on the ball, or back around the contest
Sigh, I didn't say you didn't call out both, just that I couldn't believe that Dow got his and McGovern missed.

I did say that I found it harsh you called out Dow for missing McGovern but ignored him hitting Gibbons with a much harder kick.

To me his kicking is improving (many have mentioned his change in style) and I think we should back that improvement to continue and get him in position to keep attempting those kicks rather than hide him away.
 

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Sigh, I didn't say you didn't call out both, just that I couldn't believe that Dow got his and McGovern missed.

I did say that I found it harsh you called out Dow for missing McGovern but ignored him hitting Gibbons with a much harder kick.

To me his kicking is improving (many have mentioned his change in style) and I think we should back that improvement to continue and get him in position to keep attempting those kicks rather than hide him away.
It is improving but I still believe it was a kick he should of made. IMHO, the kick to Gibbons was easier and he hit the target, so why would I highlight players doing the basics well.
 

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Arrow, the stat was that 11 of their 15 goals had a free kick in the scoring chain, ie came from free kicks, not that the 11 shots were free kicks.

For example in the 3rd quarter, in the middle but forward of centre for us Petracca (I think) was tackled and dropped the ball, a blatant free kick to us. Instead the umpire paid him holding the man. The ball went straight into their forwardline for a goal.

That’s not to say they were all wrong, but there were 3 shockers in the 3rd quarter which had a huge influence on the result of the game.
 

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It is improving but I still believe it was a kick he should of made. IMHO, the kick to Gibbons was easier and he hit the target, so why would I highlight players doing the basics well.
Because you are potting him for doing the basics poorly.

No one is arguing he shouldn't have made the McGovern kick, I am simply observing it is harsh to focus solely on his mistake when he also later did the skill well (as well as slotting a key goal).

As for Gibbons kick being easier, you can think that but the margin for error was very small given the boundary line.

Anyway, no doubt you will misinterpret this comment as well in order to create an argument so I will move on.
 

Macca43

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Arrow, the stat was that 11 of their 15 goals had a free kick in the scoring chain, ie came from free kicks, not that the 11 shots were free kicks.

For example in the 3rd quarter, in the middle but forward of centre for us Petracca (I think) was tackled and dropped the ball, a blatant free kick to us. Instead the umpire paid him holding the man. The ball went straight into their forwardline for a goal.

That’s not to say they were all wrong, but there were 3 shockers in the 3rd quarter which had a huge influence on the result of the game.
The third quarter did seem to have some crucial mistakes, by us and the umps that resulted in goals to the dee's just when we seemed to be getting some momentum but the first 4 goals of the game came directly from our turnovers (most under minimal pressure) which had a much bigger impact. We need to focus on what we can control.
 

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Because you are potting him for doing the basics poorly.

No one is arguing he shouldn't have made the McGovern kick, I am simply observing it is harsh to focus solely on his mistake when he also later did the skill well (as well as slotting a key goal).

As for Gibbons kick being easier, you can think that but the margin for error was very small given the boundary line.

Anyway, no doubt you will misinterpret this comment as well in order to create an argument so I will move on.
No argument from my end, we have differing opinion, which is fine
 
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