Realistic Trades:

[Optimax]

Slow players tend to age better...it's the players that rely on speed that sometimes struggle to adjust as they approach 30 and lose that speed.

As for trading up to get a pick in the top 4, I really can't see Dawes being enough of a carrot to get us there. Short of giving up Reid or Harry, I can't see it happening.

big bodied chf at 21
pick 14
sweetner

Given that the dees seem intent on moving on miller for someone younger, watts isnt ready, jamar amd johnson are stop gap. So its a chance, not likely but possible

Right now though, 3 picks in the top 11. Great position

 

[mdc]

Right now though, 3 picks in the top 11. Great position

top 11 means jack though.

top 2, yeah, they should get a couple of 200 gamers unless they really screw up. pick 11 is closer to pick 40 in value than pick 2.

 

[Optimax]

top 11 means jack though.

top 2, yeah, they should get a couple of 200 gamers unless they really screw up. pick 11 is closer to pick 40 in value than pick 2.

I dont agree this draft is as weak as you say

I dont think pick 14 is great and i doubt much will be found from the early second round, but i really dont think its as bad as to say pick 11 is rubbish

 

[mdc]

I dont agree this draft is as weak as you say

I dont think pick 14 is great and i doubt much will be found from the early second round, but i really dont think its as bad as to say pick 11 is rubbish

Let's say it's not necessarily a weak draft. Here are the players selected from pick 11 to pick 15 in the 2000-2005 drafts (anything later's too early to judge).

I've highlighted players that are clearly better than Brock McLean.

1 11 Trent Sporn North Adelaide Roosters Carlton
1 12 Shaun Burgoyne Port Adelaide Magpies Port Adelaide
1 13 Ashley McGrath South Fremantle Football Club Brisbane Lions
1 14 Daniel Harris Bendigo Bombers Kangaroos
1 15 Simon Wiggins Tasmania Devils Football Club Carlton
1 11 Richard Cole Eastern Rangers Collingwood
1 12 Brent Reilly Calder Cannons Adelaide
1 13 Nick Dal Santo Bendigo Pioneers St Kilda
1 14 Ashley Watson Bendigo Pioneers Kangaroos
1 15 Barry Brooks Tasmania Mariners Port Adelaide
1 11 Jason Winderlich Gippsland U18 Essendon
1 12 Jay Schulz Woodville-West Torrens Football Club Richmond
1 13 Byron Schammer West Adelaide Football Club Fremantle
1 14 Daniel Bell Glenelg Football Club Melbourne
1 15 Nicholas Smith Norwood Football Club Melbourne
1 11 Beau Waters West Adelaide Football Club West Coast
1 12 Ryan Murphy Gippsland U18 Fremantle
1 13 Brent Stanton Northern U18 Essendon
1 14 Fergus Watts Sandringham U18s Adelaide Crows
1 15 Troy Chaplin North Ballarat U18s Port Adelaide
1 11 Adam Thomson Sturt Football Club Port Adelaide
1 12 Danny Meyer Glenelg Football Club Richmond
1 13 Matthew Bate Eastern Ranges Melbourne
1 14 Angus Monfries Sturt Football Club Essendon
1 15 Lynden Dunn Calder Cannons Melbourne
1 11 Shaun Higgins Geelong Falcons Western Bulldogs
1 12 Nathan Jones Dandenong Stingrays Melbourne
1 13 Shannon Hurn Central District Football Club West Coast
1 14 Grant Birchall Tassie Mariners Hawthorn
1 15 Travis Varcoe Central District Football Club Geelong

So that's 3 out of 30, and that's in non-compromised drafts. You could, at a pinch, make a case for a few others, specifically Stanton (who I don't rate) and Hurn (who I do), and possibly Winderlich (who I do)...but the strike rate in a normal draft is clearly <50%.

 

[HFF]

MDC, I would have Brent Reilly, Brent Stanton and Beau Waters on a par in terms of output and talent with Brock.

Birchall is clearly better though. Should have been highlighted on your list.
Jones, Hurn and Varcoe all have strong cases to be considered in the same breath as Brock too.

 

[Optimax]

MDC, I would have Brent Reilly, Brent Stanton and Beau Waters on a par in terms of output and talent with Brock.

Birchall is clearly better though. Should have been highlighted on your list.
Jones, Hurn and Varcoe all have strong cases to be considered in the same breath as Brock too.

saves me typing it

 

[mdc]

Reilly? Waters? Varcoe? Are we being serious here?

Birchall is an unaccountable flanker, McLean is a terrific inside mid when healthy. I know which I'd rather have.

and...even if I concede ALL those players (and I don't ), it's still roughly a 30% strike-rate.

 

[smiddaz123]

Ash McGrath no mention?

Superb small back at the moment.

 

[mdc]

Ash McGrath no mention?

Superb small back at the moment.

Rather him than a few of the others, but still not at the level of McLean's talent when you consider positional importance.

p.s. Some mod should totally get this thread back on topic.

 

[Optimax]

Reilly? Waters? Varcoe? Are we being serious here?

Birchall is an unaccountable flanker, McLean is a terrific inside mid when healthy. I know which I'd rather have.

and...even if I concede ALL those players (and I don't ), it's still roughly a 30% strike-rate.

scrath Varcoe he is many things not great though

Ash McGrath no mention?

Superb small back at the moment.

add ash, good player scalpel like kicking

Mclean hasnt done a hell of alot since 06/07 MDC, due to injury shit club whatever he should be top line he is currently a younger, better kicking, larger cannoned Obree

 

[Ron]

I know it is only a rumour but there is some talk that Davey wants out of Melbourne.

I reckon he is someone we should chase, play him on the wing/HB line. He runs hard, has excellent disposal and tackles hard. Would be a very good pick up.

 

[NT.Thunder]

Not sure about Davey, quality user. but easily shut down. Although it would free up another player in Swan/Didak/Davis/Pendles.

How about Paul Johnson from the Dees since everyone is keen to leave there.

He really came out of his shell this year and with Deemons developing Jamar/Spencer/Meeson they may look at a trade.

Could he be a realistic option for us?

 

[rusty side]

Are we really pushing for a top 5 draft pick? If so i reckon we should...

Give up Cloke and Pick 29 (whatever one we have) for Melbournes pick 2. Does this seem reasonable? If not we could throw in our first rounder instead of our second rounder. Thoughts?

 

[collingwood1992]

From the main board:

Rumour: Davey to Collingwood for 1st round pick + Dawes.

 

[smiddaz123]

Wouldn't be too happy with that.

Doesn't address our main weaknesses, at a high price.

 

[collingwood1992]

Yeah I agree, he is a very good user of the ball, may take some attention of our other midfielders... but now with Rocca leaving, I think we should keep Dawes.

 

[danielnajdek]

Oh for ffs.. no no no.. power forwards don't grow on trees, ask the dogs.. he's even a great pinch hitter in the ruck.. shocking trade

yeah don't do that. we need dawes as we lost rocca.don't be stupid collingwood!

 

[Brahma Bull]

From the main board:

Rumour: Davey to Collingwood for 1st round pick + Dawes.

No thanks, if a deal between us and Dees were on the cards regarding Dawes, hopefully its Dawes + Pick30 for Pick11. But thats in our favour. Then 2 first round picks to get a very high pick or Kerr, which is unlikely.

 

[captain peanut]

Oh for ffs.. no no no.. power forwards don't grow on trees, ask the dogs.. he's even a great pinch hitter in the ruck.. shocking trade

can't agree more. surely we are not seriously considering trading dawes?

 

[Zahki]

Trading Dawes would be incredibly dumb, if we can see that surely the blokes at the Lexus Center can.

 

[collingwood1992]

I completely agree, imagine if Cloke got injured... we would have to play reid up forward! Or rely on L Brown...

The only thing i can think of, is they are hoping Rusling will come good.

 

[CENTERMAN]

I would definitely put our first round on the table.

We have a very good core group of young players who will peak at similar times, what we need to do now is build on that list with players who will peak at the same time.

We need to go all out with this list of young players or we will again miss out, and suffer the fate of being a top 6 side for a long time without getting any decent draft picks or achieving any real success.

To be more extreme, we could completely focus on this period (3-4 years away) and trade away good players now who are unlikely to be around then (ie Davis, Didak) and get some good quality kids to support that group.

We currently seem to be focussing on two separate peaks - one now and next year, and another a few years after that. Can we achieve a flag using this methodology?

Couldn't agree more, in bold. Didak and Davis won't be around then but are of some value now. Add to that there will be no Presti, O'bree, Lockier, Fraser, Johnson, Rusling etc, your idea does not sound all that extreme. It is tempting both ways and trade period will uncover which path we take. I'm getting impatient just the same.

 

[Quicky]

Straight swap Cox for Crowley, need for need, win win for both clubs, both guys get to go home.

Crowley re-signed for Freo a couple of weeks ago so no chance of getting him anymore. They wouldn't agree to it for Cox anyway.

 

[Quicky]

Everitt has size and against us showed he is at least capable of taking some ruck work too. Having that up forward is clearly better then wiggins, shit they could use him down back not like they overflow down there

Id imagine a sweetener would be a BJ/Goldsack/Cox type of player hopefully we can convince them to take cox or stanners but thats hopeful not likely.

Also pick 2 is pick 2 be it butcher or one of the gun mids, we should do well from it

Maybe I misread your post - but I very very much doubt Melbourne would be stupid enough to give us pick 2 for pick 14 and a Cox/BJ or Goldsack. That would be insanity. I'd say they would ask for a Reid/Brown/Cloke in addition to 14 to even be remotely close to the mark.

 

[Quicky]

Maybe we should target someone like Henderson or Thorp. Both young KPP that have shown alot of promise but havn't broken into their respective sides because they have such strong forward lines. They both have had a few years in the system as well so as KPP we don't need to wait for their first 2-3 years to develop.