Redo the 2009 draft.

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There have been 4 All Australians, a Brownlow Medallist, B&F winners, and an MVP from the 2009 Draft.

Right now I'd have:

1. Fyfe
2. Martin
3. Talia
4. Gunston
5. Beard
6. Stratton
7. Cunnington
8. Carlisle
9. Duncan
10. Rodent
11. Jetta
12. Christensen
13. Duryea
14. Pittard
15. MacMillan
16. Sheppard
17. Roberton
18. Melksham
19. Rohan
20. Bastinac

Apologies to Menzel, who's starting to once again show what he can do, and others on the fringe including Sinclair, Griffiths, Reid, and Colyer, who I expect would have made it without the year out.

The Beard is almost the most valuable, but needs more body of work to pass Talia, who is a former RS winner, Best & Fairest, and dual All Australian, as well as Gunston, who has slotted over 50 goals on 3 separate occasions.
This is bang on I think bar a couple of possible exceptions. I'd have Carlisle over Cunnington and both Pittard and Christensen over Jetta. Like one other said, I'd swing Sam Reid into #20 at the expense of Melksham.
 
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This is bang on I think bar a couple of possible exceptions. I'd have Carlisle over Cunnington and both Pittard and Christensen over Jetta. Like one other said, I'd swing Sam Reid into #20 at the expense of Melksham.
Based on what Carlisle may produce in the future? As it stands Cunnington is a fair bit in front.
 
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As a key position player who can swing both ends and change a game, I like him over Cunnington but if you disagree, so be it.
Carlisle is inconsistent - one top 10 finish in essendons b&f is proof - and a 6th back in 2013. Cunnington won our b&f in a year we finished 4th and a 2nd the following year when we also finished 4th behind the most dominant ruckman in the competition.

Would you lose Pendlebury to keep Ben Reid?
 
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Carlisle is inconsistent - one top 10 finish in essendons b&f is proof - and a 6th back in 2013. Cunnington won our b&f in a year we finished 4th and a 2nd the following year when we also finished 4th behind the most dominant ruckman in the competition.

Would you lose Pendlebury to keep Ben Reid?
No I wouldn't, but I still hold Carlisle to a higher regard than Cunnington.
 
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The only reason you could pick Carlisle is that your predicting he gets a lot better than what he has produced so far. On performance he is a long way behind.
If you feel that way then ok but as for now, I disagree and I will stick with picking Carlisle over Cunnington.
 

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With 3 full seasons under their belts we can now start to see who made some big mistakes but more importantly who got the picks right and who got really lucky.

Here is how the top 20 from 2009 AFL Draft was played out.
1 Tom Scully
2 Jack Trengove
3 Dustin Martin
4 Anthony Morabito
5 Ben Cunnington
6 Gary Rohan
7 Brad Sheppard
8 John Butcher
9 Andrew Moore
10 Jake Meltsham
11 Jordan Gysberts
12 Kane Lucas
13 Daniel Talia
14 Lewis Jetta
15 Christian Howard
16 Jasper Pittard
17 Daniel Menzel
18 Luke Tapscott
19 Benjamin Griffiths
20 Nathan Fyfe

Here are a few that went after.

21 Ryan Bastinac
24 Jake Carlisle
26 Travis Colyer
27 Callum Bartlett
28 Mitch Duncan
38 Sam Reid
40 Allen Christensen
42 Nathan Vardy
45 Sam Shaw

And the Rookie Draft

2 Michael Coad
3 Sam Iles
8 Michael Barlow
9 Majak Daw
24 Alex Silvagni
40 Ashton Hams
43 Stewart Crameri
46 Matthew Jaensch
50 James Podsiadly
76 Claye Beams

A few major talking points I would like to here is, how do Dee's supporters rate Scully, would they have taken him at 1 now (not knowing he was leaving) and how your top 20 would be.



P.S. I hope this thread lasts a bit longer than the last one.
Ohh come on, please don't show this :eek:
 

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If it makes you feel better then yes

LOL.

By any metric you are wrong.

I'll give you some finals numbers of his, Possessions/Clearances:

22 & 8
30 & 7
22 & 8
28 & 7
21 & 7
29 & 7
20 & 8
21 & 9

Compared to Dusty in his 3 finals:

19 & 2
29 & 3
21 & 1

Add in tackles and CP and it's even more embarrassing... Now no one is saying Cunnington is better Dustin, but if you were playing a final tomorrow, you'd be crazy to select Dusty over Ben based on historical performance when it counts.

Carlisle is not even in the frame, the bloke has played less than 5 good games in his entire career.
 
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LOL.

By any metric you are wrong.

I'll give you some finals numbers of his, Possessions/Clearances:

22 & 8
30 & 7
22 & 8
28 & 7
21 & 7
29 & 7
20 & 8
21 & 9

Compared to Dusty in his 3 finals:

19 & 2
29 & 3
21 & 1

Add in tackles and CP and it's even more embarrassing... Now no one is saying Cunnington is better Dustin, but if you were playing a final tomorrow, you'd be crazy to select Dusty over Ben based on historical performance when it counts.

Carlisle is not even in the frame, the bloke has played less than 5 good games in his entire career.
I'll still take Carlisle but thank you for your concern
 
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If it makes you feel better then yes

Just amazed anyone that follows AFL or has an understanding of the game could possible think that.

Take away 2016 as Carlisle missed these the the B&F results of the 2:

Cunningtion:
2015 – 2nd behind Goldy
2014 – 1st
2013 – 5th
2012 – 9th

Carlisle:
2015 – Did not finish top 10 – McKernan 10th
2014 – did not finish top 10
2013 – 6th
2012 – did not finish top 10

Cunnington in 2015 was 3rd in the AFL in clearances, 4th in centre clearances, 5th at stoppages, 5th in contested possessions.
Cunnington in 2014 was 6th in the AFL in clearances, 9th in centre clearances, 4th at stoppages, 11th in contested possessions.

These are elite inside mid stats.

Carlisle is miles behind.
 
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Just amazed anyone that follows AFL or has an understanding of the game could possible think that.

Take away 2016 as Carlisle missed these the the B&F results of the 2:

Cunningtion:
2015 – 2nd behind Goldy
2014 – 1st
2013 – 5th
2012 – 9th

Carlisle:
2015 – Did not finish top 10 – McKernan 10th
2014 – did not finish top 10
2013 – 6th
2012 – did not finish top 10

Cunnington in 2015 was 3rd in the AFL in clearances, 4th in centre clearances, 5th at stoppages, 5th in contested possessions.
Cunnington in 2014 was 6th in the AFL in clearances, 9th in centre clearances, 4th at stoppages, 11th in contested possessions.

These are elite inside mid stats.

Carlisle is miles behind.
If you feel like picking Cunnington, that's ok, I can deal with that. I'll respectively take Carlisle but thanks for your concern.
 

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Why are we comparing a mid to a KP? Too hard. Mids are a dime a dozen. You build teams around quality KP's.

Not saying Carlisle is better by the way. Two totally different players. I would choose Carlisle personally and are happy we have him. Harder to find.
 
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Why are we comparing a mid to a KP? Too hard. Mids are a dime a dozen. You build teams around quality KP's.

Not saying Carlisle is better by the way. Two totally different players. I would choose Carlisle personally and are happy we have him. Harder to find.
So if you had to trade 1 of Jack Stevens or Carlisle you would pack Jack's bags?

Also the debate above is about who has had the better career Cunners v Carlilse. As it stands - and it may change - Cunners has been better.
 

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So if you had to trade 1 of Jack Stevens or Carlisle you would pack Jack's bags?

Also the debate above is about who has had the better career Cunners v Carlilse. As it stands - and it may change - Cunners has been better.
As I said. Jake would be harder to replace. Jack Steven has had by far the better career.
 
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Carlisle > Cunnington. No disrespect to Cunnington, but as everyone has explained and will continue to explain a versatile KPP is worth more, especially a very good one. Cunnington is a good midfielder but you would not consider him elite, which is what he would have to be to be considered a worthy earlier pick than Carlisle.
 
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In my honestly honest opinion:

Fyfe
Dusty
Talia
Gunston
Gawn
Carlisle
Barlow
Scully
Cunnington
Duncan
Stratton
Pittard
Menzel
Stevens
Sheppard
Duryea
Roberton
Tuohy
Rohan
Bastinac

Edit: In Barlow, Talia and Tuohy
 
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In my honestly honest opinion:

Fyfe
Dusty
Gunston
Gawn
Carlisle
Scully
Cunnington
Duncan
Stratton
Pittard
Menzel
Stevens
Sheppard
Duryea
Roberton
Rohan
Bastinac
Jetta
MacMillan
Reid

Talia is top 3, Barlow is another miss as well as Tuohy & Colyer, Carlisle way too high - as above has done SFA, Stevens is not a best 22 player at the dogs and Menzel after 4 knee reco's has shown glimpses but not top 11 in this draft after only playing 40 games.
 
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Talia is top 3, Barlow is another miss as well as Tuohy & Colyer, Carlisle way too high - as above has done SFA, Stevens is not a best 22 player at the dogs and Menzel after 4 knee reco's has shown glimpses but not top 11 in this draft after only playing 40 games.

Totally missed Talia and Barlow, my mistake.

I rate Menzel, if he can remain fit he will be an excellent player.

Carlisle has done enough to rate high given he's extremely good either up forward or down back.
 
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