Redraft the players on our list

[Gysberts2Bate]

**** I'm bored, so here's a game.

Redraft our entire list in order of importance/value/whatever. Take into account raw talent, exposed form, age, leadership value, positional rarity, injury history, etc.

1. Petracca
2. Oliver
3. Gawn
4. Fritsch
5. Lever
6. Harmes
7. TMac
8. Pickett
9. Viney
10. Jackson
11. May
12. Salem
13. Melksham
14. Brayshaw
15. Petty
16. Langdon
17. Jetta (slid from an original ranking at 13)
18. Weideman
19. Tomlinson
20. Spargo
21. Bedford
22. OMac
23. Lockhart
24. Hore
25. Sparrow
26. Jones (no idea where he goes)
27. ANB
28. Preuss
29. vandenBerg (deserves to be higher, I know)
30. Smith
31. Rivers (hard to place the zero-one gamers, just shooting on reports/Casey form)
32. Hunt
33. Hibberd (harsh, maybe)
34. Jordon
35. Bennell (gets fit and flies up the list, like Vanders)
36. Brown
37. Hannan
38. Bradtke
39. C Wagner
40. KK
41. Dunkley
42. Baker
43. J Wagner
44. Chandler
45. Nietschke

Pox exercise obviously but god our depth is not good. Bottom 6 of the 22 is pretty weak still.

 

[AmericanAFL]

I like this game and want to play. Anyone have a link which lists all of them with age included?

 

[TheDarkDwarf]

I like this game and want to play. Anyone have a link which lists all of them with age included?

Hey AAFL, hope you can open this. It contains all the info you need.

Melbourne Playing List for 2020 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

 

[AmericanAFL]

Hey AAFL, hope you can open this. It contains all the info you need.

Melbourne Playing List for 2020 - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Perfect mate, thx

 

[Toump Ass]

1. Gawn
2. Viney
3. Oliver
4. Petracca
5. May
6. Harmes
7. Salem
8. Melksham
9. Brayshaw
10. Jetta
11. Spargo
12. Fritsch
13. Jones
14. Hannan
15. Pickett
16. Lever
17. TMac
18. vandenBerg
19. Bennell
20. Hibberd

The rest are hacks.

 

[AmericanAFL]

What’s a typical retirement age for players? Do ruckman typically play longer? Shorter?

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

What’s a typical retirement age for players? Do ruckman typically play longer? Shorter?

It's hard to say. Gawn has only played 120 games, so you might say that despite being 29 at years' end his body hasn't endured as much of the toll of playing at AFL level as say Dusty's, who was taken pick 3 in the same draft and has played 225 games. But then again, Dusty has less of an injury history and has always been super durable. Dean Cox and Aaron Sandilands were both getting consistent games until 33. Grundy strikes me as the type who could last until 35-36. Maxy, I'm not so sure about. He keeps getting fitter and fitter each year, but another hamstring or knee injury could end him.

Rucks should have the shortest careers of anyone I reckon given the constant jumping, landing and grappling they do but they're also tougher to replace than say a midfielder. If Jackson or Preuss come on and Gawn fades he might be eased out or moved to the forward/backlines, etc.

 

[Topkent]

This shit is ****ing tough because theres still so much pox on our list. What looked like an awesome young list after 18 looks like a journey to mediocrity list ala North.

1. Petracca
2. Oliver
3. Gawn
4. Fritsch
5. Melksham
6. Salem
7. Lever
8. Harmes
9. May
10. TMac
11. Pickett
12. Viney
13. Jackson
14. Langdon
15. Weideman
16. Jones
17. Hannan
18. Brayshaw
19. Petty
20. Jetta
21. Tomlinson
22. Hore
23. Bedford
24. Spargo
25. Lockhart
26. Sparrow
27. ANB
28. Preuss
29. vandenBerg
30. Smith
31. Rivers
32. Hunt
33. Hibberd
34. Jordon
35. Bennell
36. Brown
37. OMac
38. Bradtke
39. C Wagner
40. KK
41. Dunkley
42. Baker
43. J Wagner
44. Chandler
45. Nietschke

 

[00Stinger]

This shit is ******* tough because theres still so much pox on our list. What looked like an awesome young list after 18 looks like a journey to mediocrity list ala North.

1. Petracca
2. Oliver
3. Gawn
4. Fritsch
5. Melksham
6. Salem
7. Lever
8. Harmes
9. May
10. TMac
11. Pickett
12. Viney
13. Jackson
14. Langdon
15. Weideman
16. Jones
17. Hannan
18. Brayshaw
19. Petty
20. Jetta
21. Tomlinson
22. Hore
23. Bedford
24. Spargo
25. Lockhart
26. Sparrow
27. ANB
28. Preuss
29. vandenBerg
30. Smith
31. Rivers
32. Hunt
33. Hibberd
34. Jordon
35. Bennell
36. Brown
37. OMac
38. Bradtke
39. C Wagner
40. KK
41. Dunkley
42. Baker
43. J Wagner
44. Chandler
45. Nietschke

top 3 pick themselves and then it gets interesting depending on peoples opinions and preferences

 

[Topkent]

top 3 pick themselves and then it gets interesting depending on peoples opinions and preferences

Yeah, my top 9 was my must picks and then everyone else was meh. Obviously any new draftees haven't had a chance to disappoint me yet.

 

[Sylvia Saint]

Surely you'd take Oliver ahead of Petracca. Already has 2 B&Fs and an AA Guernsey (should be 2) and is a year younger. I know he's got some things to work on but he's the clear #1 for me. Petracca probably 2 or 3.

 

[Topkent]

Surely you'd take Oliver ahead of Petracca. Already has 2 B&Fs and an AA Guernsey (should be 2) and is a year younger. I know he's got some things to work on but he's the clear #1 for me. Petracca probably 2 or 3.

Petracca has alot more football ability though he just doesn't have the mindset to use it.
Despite what Oliver has produced at a young age I think if both reached their full peak Petracca would be a better player by quite a decent amount.

Oliver's the safer bet but Petracca is the matchwinner.

 

[00Stinger]

Petracca has alot more football ability though he just doesn't have the mindset to use it.
Despite what Oliver has produced at a young age I think if both reached their full peak Petracca would be a better player by quite a decent amount.

Oliver's the safer bet but Petracca is the matchwinner.

that is very Prentergast like drafting strategy there

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Petracca is a more damaging player. Love Oliver and his base level of performance is higher but Petracca creates more both by hand and foot. Take Oliver out and someone like Gus or Harmes or even a Sparrow type player (bring back Tyson) is getting more midfield time to fill that void in terms of player role, though obviously not to the same standard. Take Petracca and we have no one like that and it's not easy to draft one.

This isn't a slight on Clarry and it's obviously much of a muchness, but Petracca was one of the best general forwards in the league for impact last year and was good enough in R1 with limited touches to believe he can achieve that through the middle of the ground. Clarry was good in 2019 but has stagnated, and needs to work on a few things in his game to really be an elite mid whereas Petracca has all the traits inherently.

Lineball, doesn't really matter, but that's my justification.

Basically I'd take a Petracca/Viney/Brayshaw/Harmes/Sparrow inside midfield rotation over say Oliver/Viney/Brayshaw/Harmes/Sparrow.

 

[Toump Ass]

I'm still filthy at Oliver for his half-arsed effort against West Coast, I'd swap him from Ben Kennedy and half-eaten tim tam right now.

 

[stEdy]

Oliver used to consistently and creatively release players into space with his hands, now post double shoulder op he just hot potatoes it to whoever is closest. He's lost his ability to risk taking the tackle to do something creative and instead conservatively flicks it on. With his ball handling and turn of speed he could be a little less explosive version of Judd if he knew how good he was. Even when he's off he still does a lot of dirty work, tackles and gets 30 touches, but he could be so much more.

Think he will get there as he's only 22. Might end his career the best Dees player of the last couple of decades. Would draft him over Trac.

 

[blitznu]

Imagine not picking Oliver for a player who maybe might 1 day become a good player. Thats like passing up on the 8 ya know ya going to have fun with and **** by nights end for a shot at the 10 whos gonna leave ya with blue balls and a shit story to tell nearly every damn time. Now i think of it its a toss of a coin for me. Nevermind play on..

 

[Topkent]

that is very Prentergast like drafting strategy there

Sir Prendergast to you, greatest visionary in MFC history.

 

[Topkent]

Possession numbers don't mean **** all to me especially with these 2, 15 Petracca disposals in a good game for him is worth more than 30 of Oliver's last year. Unless Oliver gets back to his elite handballing then he's a taller Jack Viney and I don't think 2 of them in the same side helps us in anyway, however one of those with an elite Petracca makes us a way better side.

Viney was a monster round 1 and Oliver struggled, duh, Viney was taking all the first possession from the ruck contest which makes Oliver pretty ineffective because he doesn't move to the outside.

The best players in the comp aren't only inside mids. The only one that is too 5 that's only inside is Cripps and he's the size of a KPP which means his clearances are ultra effective as he draws 7 tacklers. He also runs with the ball more than Clarry.

Whenever footy resumes id like to see Oliver spending a quarter every game in the forward line, stuff his AA and BNF chances he needs to become more rounded.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Petracca also kicks goals out of the midfield.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Bumping this so I redo it later

 

[Topkent]

Some eggs on some faces here aye Gysberts2Bate

Petracca has alot more football ability though he just doesn't have the mindset to use it.
Despite what Oliver has produced at a young age I think if both reached their full peak Petracca would be a better player by quite a decent amount.

Oliver's the safer bet but Petracca is the matchwinner.

Surely you'd take Oliver ahead of Petracca. Already has 2 B&Fs and an AA Guernsey (should be 2) and is a year younger. I know he's got some things to work on but he's the clear #1 for me. Petracca probably 2 or 3.

that is very Prentergast like drafting strategy there

Imagine not picking Oliver for a player who maybe might 1 day become a good player. Thats like passing up on the 8 ya know ya going to have fun with and fu** by nights end for a shot at the 10 whos gonna leave ya with blue balls and a sh*t story to tell nearly every damn time. Now i think of it its a toss of a coin for me. Nevermind play on..

 

[00Stinger]

Some eggs on some faces here aye Gysberts2Bate

Haha not sure why you quoted me as my post was clearly a bit of tongue in cheek

I notice you didn't quote my first post that agreed with your top 3

top 3 pick themselves and then it gets interesting depending on peoples opinions and preferences

 

[Topkent]

Haha not sure why you quoted me as my post was clearly a bit of tongue in cheek

I notice you didn't quote my first post that agreed with your top 3

Why would I? That didn't help my smart ass post

 

[blitznu]

Some eggs on some faces here aye Gysberts2Bate

mehhh im still taking the 8 home. hardly egg on my face