List Mgmt. Remaining List Changes?

[mopsy]

There is a reason your not in charge of a football club.

LOL There is a reason why we have been so shit for the last 34 years. Here's another for ya Shane Edwards almost as weak as Ellis.

 

[HumanMeatball]

LOL There is a reason why we have been so shit for the last 34 years. Here's another for ya Shane Edwards almost as weak as Ellis.

That's nice with your exceptional football knowledge a club must be in line to appoint you surely.

 

[juss]

A Moore definetely, Butler very likely to be gone too. The rest they will keep.

 

[TigerImposter]

Pointless stat. Let's just wait and see

It's not a stat
It shows that clubs take advantage of improving their list once a year as it's their only chance. Where we have been content on not being active even though no finals wins in seven years.
Do you really think we would miss Conca Batchelor Houli Townsend Morris Lambert ............ Etc?

 

[THE_GUN]

LOL people talking about delisting B.Ellis & S. Edwards

Morris
Maric
Hunt
Broad
Batchelor
Lennon
Townsend
Conca
Lambert

All the above players would be heading the delistings before B.Ellis & S.Edwards based on 2016 form, How you would you brilliant list managers replace 10-15 players in 1 draft or should we throw our rubbish out to collect other teams rubbish.

Maric,Hunt,Morris should have been delisted this year but unfortunately due to pathetic contracts are not and in Maric case re contracted

 

[exceptional design]

And your gifs are great too.

Here are all the delistings. I noticed CFC got rid of Rainbow as he was talked up on here big time. Do you know anything about him

http://m.afl.com.au/news/features/retirements-and-delistings

Naah never paid any attention to Rainbow.
That link also has the team changes back to 2012. Rather embarrasing if people look at those. And I think. "No wonder"

 

[French Tiger]

Can we still make more delistings or is that it now ?

 

[HumanMeatball]

It's not a stat
It shows that clubs take advantage of improving their list once a year as it's their only chance. Where we have been content on not being active even though no finals wins in seven years.
Do you really think we would miss Conca Batchelor Houli Townsend Morris Lambert ............ Etc?

Houli yes we would miss. The others maybe not. You do need some depth however. There is also the fact some of the other teams changes are forced due to retired players ect.

 

[TigerImposter]

Houli yes we would miss. The others maybe not. You do need some depth however. There is also the fact some of the other teams changes are forced due to retired players ect.

Yes Houli depth and we had two retirees out of the seven or 29%
Maric was not needed if we were going to sign up Nakkers

 

[HumanMeatball]

Yes Houli depth and we had two retirees out of the seven or 29%
Maric was not needed if we were going to sign up Nakkers

Again let's wait. Easy to criticise now but we may come out and delist lambert, butler, Batchelor tomorrow for All we know

 

[NaturalDisaster]

If in charge of the footy club B Ellis would be the very first player out the door. He would be closely followed by a few other well thought of players as well.
I dont give a shit about how well he can run and how many piss weak disposals he gets the way he goes about playing is a cancer. You are never ever going to change the culture with the likes of him getting a regular game.

That's why you wouldn't be a good coach. A good leader would get the best out of someone like Ellis rather than push him aside so they don't have to deal with him.

 

[TigerImposter]

That's why you wouldn't be a good coach. A good leader would get the best out of someone like Ellis rather than push him aside so they don't have to deal with him.

So you're saying DH is a shit coach and poor leader bc he certainly hasn't got the best out of him?

 

[NaturalDisaster]

If Brandon Ellis was delisted he would be picked up by another club and made into a very good player. Then this board would be in melt down at the club for delisting him.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

So you're saying DH is a shit coach and poor leader bc he certainly hasn't got the best out of him?

Not nessecarily

It's not just his responsibility either, development coaches, midfield coaches.

You need to let go of the idea of Hardwick not developing players, he is in charge of an entire squad and wouldn't get the time to work with each individually like that.

 

[TigerImposter]

If Brandon Ellis was delisted he would be picked up by another club and made into a very good player. Then this board would be in melt down at the club for delisting him.

So who's at fault. It's not about what 300 blokes on BF think .its about a fd with head coach getting the maximum out of every bloke on their list and combining with a game plan to win flags.
If they cannot achieve this with a player then the obvious solution is to move him on. If it's a team issue then it's the coach and FD that need to go.

 

[TigerImposter]

Not nessecarily

It's not just his responsibility either, development coaches, midfield coaches.

You need to let go of the idea of Hardwick not developing players, he is in charge of an entire squad and wouldn't get the time to work with each individually like that.

Really. I think you just contradicted yourself after the mopsy post . You make it up as you go along.
It's not what I think and said the issue , it's what you said.

 

[NaturalDisaster]

So who's at fault. It's not about what 300 blokes on BF think .its about a fd with head coach getting the maximum out of every bloke on their list and combining with a game plan to win flags.
If they cannot achieve this with a player then the obvious solution is to move him on. If it's a team issue then it's the coach and FD that need to go.

I know what you want me to say and no I'm not going to humour you.

 

[duzzy]

Someone doesn't agree with you and it's melt lol. Not sure why you're so salty. Maybe you're David Astbury.

it was a complete melt dude- hissy fit probably more like it- not sure why either- I do not think anyone disiagreed with you- just asked a question- knickers twisted over delisted Richards lmao/

 

[Sir_Loin]

it was a complete melt dude- hissy fit probably more like it- not sure why either- I do not think anyone disiagreed with you- just asked a question- knickers twisted over delisted Richards lmao/

You clearly haven't seen me melt properly then.

At least gave the cojones to not use your alt account if you want to come at me "dude"

 

[Dr Tigris]

The club is managing the list for the future as well. Why is Maric given another year? They admire his leadership. And in one year he goes and we have a free spot. We're going to bring in at least 6 players this year (3 trades + drafting). Do that every year and you turn the list over in 7 years. So we actually need to give players a second chance so that 1) we can see if talented but injured/whatever players can make it, and 2) we have space to do list work in the future. If you turn over 10+ players a year (like some want) then you turn the entire list over in 4 years. So given at least 1/2 the players are AFL worthy you turn players overs in 2 years. that is, only the immediate hits stay. Fantastic, instant AFL players only. What could go wrong? ... Maybe many 18 year olds need time to adjust to AFL footy and so need 4 years to prove themselves. And quite often skinny immature kids turn into good players over time. Careful list management is turning the list over, but not too fast or too slow.

 

[Tango67]

IMO our issues have always been a lack of hardness at the club, before you all jump down my throat I want to clarify the difference between hardness and courage, every player at AFL has courage but what I mean about hardness is having a combination of the build and body, the aggressiveness, the mindset and the will to impose yourself on the contest or the man, I'm not talking about skill, creativity or ball winning ability.

Out of our top level players I don't think we have had many of these hard type players and as such we have been considered as soft

Deledio (gone) Cotchin, Rance, Jack, Ellis X 2, Houli, Grimes, Edwards, Jack in fact you can just about list them all as ball players, Martin is getting harder but his hardness is mainly when he has the ball with fend offs rather than when he doesn't have it, Miles is in and under but doesn't have the size to impact, Vlastuin has the mongrel but doesn't use it enough, Rance is a lion and courageous but I wouldn't consider a hard man or enforcer same for anybody else maybe except for maybe Maric and Townsend ho can't get a game.

Adding Caddy and Nankervis improves this and this is why I Would consider Barlow to really toughen us up in the guts and protect our skilled players, Cotchin has tried to do it but he is not big enough and it's not his go.

Barlow, Caddy and Nank all add steel in and he guts, add Martin. In the fwd line and we already look tougher, we are missing a hard guy in the backline, someone that can throw their body around and cause some panick, needs size and speed and a willingness to chase and tackle and smash blokes.

How much taller would the likes of Markov, C.Ellis, Menadue stand when they have guys like Barlow and Caddy next to them in the guts compared to Cotchin, Miles, Grigg, B. Ellis.....

 

[CoggaRules]

IMO our issues have always been a lack of hardness at the club, before you all jump down my throat I want to clarify the difference between hardness and courage, every player at AFL has courage but what I mean about hardness is having a combination of the build and body, the aggressiveness, the mindset and the will to impose yourself on the contest or the man, I'm not talking about skill, creativity or ball winning ability.

Out of our top level players I don't think we have had many of these hard type players and as such we have been considered as soft

Deledio (gone) Cotchin, Rance, Jack, Ellis X 2, Houli, Grimes, Edwards, Jack in fact you can just about list them all as ball players, Martin is getting harder but his hardness is mainly when he has the ball with fend offs rather than when he doesn't have it, Miles is in and under but doesn't have the size to impact, Vlastuin has the mongrel but doesn't use it enough, Rance is a lion and courageous but I wouldn't consider a hard man or enforcer same for anybody else maybe except for maybe Maric and Townsend ho can't get a game.

Adding Caddy and Nankervis improves this and this is why I Would consider Barlow to really toughen us up in the guts and protect our skilled players, Cotchin has tried to do it but he is not big enough and it's not his go.

Barlow, Caddy and Nank all add steel in and he guts, add Martin. In the fwd line and we already look tougher, we are missing a hard guy in the backline, someone that can throw their body around and cause some panick, needs size and speed and a willingness to chase and tackle and smash blokes.

How much taller would the likes of Markov, C.Ellis, Menadue stand when they have guys like Barlow and Caddy next to them in the guts compared to Cotchin, Miles, Grigg, B. Ellis.....

I was once advocating getting Barlow, but having a think about it, all we will be doing is glossing over the cracks for a couple of years, instead of filling them for long time...Apart from a KPD insurance, all other additions to the list have to be youngsters so we can turn them over and maybe find 1 that sticks...the club need to understand that there a hell of alot of supporters that would view this as a real deal plan to build the list with the focus being the ultimate prize and a sustained stretch at the pointy end, as opposed to what Dan stated the plan was for the last 7 years...if they go the recycled path again, we will probably make the 8 again...and again and after 2 years have this year again.

For me Spangher is a no brainer as a delisted FA for us..and the rest should be draftees and rookies.

 

[Tango67]

Don't disagree with youngsters but young players don't come in and become hard men or physical beasts in the first year, they need big guys to do the heavy hitting until they develop physically..
If you are already tough and strong then you can bring in kids but it's a balance, don't get it right and your development stagnates which I believe is what happened to Deledio as a junior.

 

[duzzy]

You clearly haven't seen me melt properly then.

At least gave the cojones to not use your alt account if you want to come at me "dude"

hey dude- hang on- i only asked what his strengths and weaknesses were- for I did not know- then wondered aloud about his character--- you suddenly switched to melt sarcasm and a dripping goob--- not sure what you are on big balls/

 

[Sir_Loin]

hey dude- hang on- i only asked what his strengths and weaknesses were- for I did not know- then wondered aloud about his character--- you suddenly switched to melt sarcasm and a dripping goob--- not sure what you are on big balls/

Shut up fool. Focus on the topic and stop being a total knob