Revamp?

[Russian]

We revamped the off season a couple of years ago and that seems to be working, but again this year we've struggled to keep people interested for the 15 weeks of the season proper, so it seems to me that something needs to change.

Do we need to reduce the number of teams so we don't have 4 teams with 18 or less players playing like we had this week? Do we need to change the scoring system? Do we need in-season list changes? Any other ideas?

 

[peterss]

We could reduce the number of teams i guess...If its going to keep the teams interested then may aswell but then there is the question of what happens to the players from the teams that are booted out etc?

 

[Marklar_33]

We could reduce the number of teams i guess...If its going to keep the teams interested then may aswell but then there is the question of what happens to the players from the teams that are booted out etc?

Id suggest a draft in that case... but I would only reduce to 12 at a minimum and definately not cut anyone who has been keen, so that may make it more than 12 (but probably not)

I dont want to see in season list changes... I didnt compete in the mid-season trading period as it doesnt happen in the AFL, so Id rather not see it here

Yeah, Im pretty happy with the game the way it is, but its probably not viable

 

[peterss]

One change I would like to suggest is with the ladder..and to have a for and against column with a % column like they do in AFL.

 

[sante]

Do we need to reduce the number of teams so we don't have 4 teams with 18 or less players playing like we had this week?

It has merit, but then we have too many players on lists and/or have too many players not on lists and as Free agents.

One change I would like to suggest is with the ladder..and to have a for and against column with a % column like they do in AFL.

Yeah, I'd like that too.


Scoring changes could beneficial and could fix the positional problems we have. eg. Full backs can somehow become worth a spot in your 18.

 

[loopy_cam]

How bout if the premier gets a free year of Bigfooty supporter?

That would increase interest.

 

[loopy_cam]

I don't think we should change the scoring system. You need your duds and your guns. Plus it's easy to see what players are averaging.

Personally, I like the current format. I see how it can get boring though. I've been lucky enough to pick up a team which has a number of playing players.

I think we should add a history board. Players could strive to get their name on this board as a premier. Gives more of a reason to play the game. Also could have a leaderboard of top five scores ever. Another reason to play to win.

Any other ideas to increase interactivity would be good too. Maybe teams could design their own home ground, logo, jumper etc and have their own team board stickied or something. It would be good to click onto the page and see the rules and signup threads followed by all the team threads. I was in another game where news releases were rated and rewards were given. That game involved cash though whereas this one doesn't. Don't know what we could have as rewards.

Maybe the comp needs to be advertised more. I was on bigfooty for months before I even realised there was a comp. It'd be good to actually have a waiting list.

Also I think we need more banter between coaches. Maybe if you (Russian) could copy the teams into a word document when you want to lock the teams and just say 'Teams now Locked'. Then, coaches could communicate during gametime commenting on how their players went and that they are going to beat the other team comfortably (But not in those words).

Also, why can't we post images on this board?

 

[andrew_embley]

Maybe the comp needs to be advertised more. I was on bigfooty for months before I even realised there was a comp. It'd be good to actually have a waiting list.

Yeah i rekon we need to promote it a bit more. Particulary this year with the DT & SC forums and people posting there, i rekon this game would definately appeal to them.

This game is run so well and the system is great , if more people were aware of it, how to ask for a spot in it, and knew that it wasn't just one of those trade/draft games that come nov/dec it dies, then they'd come i rekon.

Also i rekon the in-season trade period/s need to stay, so that if you start of badly, at least you wont start tanking/losing interest. That way sides struggling can look to trade in some players who may help them currently or trade for the future. And clubs close to contention, may actually want to get in a proven player during the season if they are just knocking on the door of being a contender, to help take the extra step.

 

[BW]

The problem is bloody obvious. All the posts above won't actually improve the game at all.

Coach turnover. This happens for 2 reasons. 1. Most people aren't interested in taking over teams they haven't had input over themselves. Then their is little trade activity because the established coaches have settled lists. This means they feel no ownership to their team, so they get bored and quit. This happens over and over again with the same handful of squads. 2. You accept anybody who wants to play, meaning your gonna get some dodgy coaches who either suck at list management or lose interest quickly because they don't realise how complicated the whole list management system is when the initially join.

Cut all the shit coaches, specifically recruit people you know are good value, then re-set the lists so everyone can have ownership of a team from the start.

People haven't liked this idea in the past as they've developed their team for a long time, which is fair enough. But until this happens this game will be mediocre at best.

Cutting the amount of teams is probably the only alternative. The teams who always get new coaches are right offs.

 

[matty_boy08]

I think we need a season draft starting next season.
+ Scrap the salary cap.
+ get rid of 2-4 teams.
More players to go round.

 

[loopy_cam]

I think we need a season draft starting next season.
+ Scrap the salary cap.
+ get rid of 2-4 teams.
More players to go round.

 

[sante]

I don't think we should change the scoring system. You need your duds and your guns. Plus it's easy to see what players are averaging.

Yep. The full backs are the depth in most teams in case of injuries, maybe we need to have a rule where each team needs at least one Full Back.

I think we should add a history board. Players could strive to get their name on this board as a premier. Gives more of a reason to play the game. Also could have a leaderboard of top five scores ever. Another reason to play to win.

That has merit but I don't think it will improve the game or add extra interest.

Any other ideas to increase interactivity would be good too. Maybe teams could design their own home ground, logo, jumper etc and have their own team board stickied or something. It would be good to click onto the page and see the rules and signup threads followed by all the team threads. I was in another game where news releases were rated and rewards were given. That game involved cash though whereas this one doesn't. Don't know what we could have as rewards.

Once we do the jumpers, etc, thats the end of all that.
Maybe we get extra cap space for press releases etc? This would keep the bottom teams interested because at the end of the year, if they can earn more $$$ during the season they can poach players better through the Bidding Period, thus improving their team.

Yeah i rekon we need to promote it a bit more. Particulary this year with the DT & SC forums and people posting there, i rekon this game would definately appeal to them.

Definately. Also, alot of DT/SC teams are out of the running this time of year, so will be looking for other things to do.

This game is run so well and the system is great , if more people were aware of it, how to ask for a spot in it, and knew that it wasn't just one of those trade/draft games that come nov/dec it dies, then they'd come i rekon.

Agreed. The bidding system saved the game and although it needs a little fixing, it makes the game very good. Maybe we need to give Russian a hand with it, eg. posting ladder, team lists etc?

Coach turnover. This happens for 2 reasons. 1. Most people aren't interested in taking over teams they haven't had input over themselves. Then their is little trade activity because the established coaches have settled lists. This means they feel no ownership to their team, so they get bored and quit. This happens over and over again with the same handful of squads.

Yep. It takes a couple of pre-seasons to build your list and obviously you reach a point where you are happy, hence you become reluctant to trade.

Cut all the shit coaches, specifically recruit people you know are good value, then re-set the lists so everyone can have ownership of a team from the start.

People haven't liked this idea in the past as they've developed their team for a long time, which is fair enough. But until this happens this game will be mediocre at best.

Cutting the amount of teams is probably the only alternative. The teams who always get new coaches are right offs.

I am not a fan of 'starting over' again.

Maybe with the 4/5 teams we struggle with, we can put those players into a draft pool and select 4/5 coaches who compete in a draft with those players. This means those 4/5 teams are starting over again while the established teams remain.

Perhaps, Russian can add in a rule or two which sees the other teams put 2 players in this draft between a price range of X amount. Or we delist our players before this draft and maybe each get one pick towards the end of the draft.

I think we need a season draft starting next season.
+ Scrap the salary cap.
+ get rid of 2-4 teams.
More players to go round.

Salary cap has to stay.

 

[iampig]

Am a newbie to this comp but intend to stick around for long term.

A few coaches here already know me as RB (reignblack) from another comp.

A reduction to 14 teams would improve the quality of the remaining lists so would be in favour of that.

Also suggest to even up the comp maybe a extra mini draft consisting of 2 picks each from the disbanded squads (if it happens). The rest can go into the free agent pool.

Not going to argue the case here if others dont agree cause sitting on pick 1, clearly I am biased.

 

[BW]

I am not a fan of 'starting over' again.

Maybe with the 4/5 teams we struggle with, we can put those players into a draft pool and select 4/5 coaches who compete in a draft with those players. This means those 4/5 teams are starting over again while the established teams remain.

Perhaps, Russian can add in a rule or two which sees the other teams put 2 players in this draft between a price range of X amount. Or we delist our players before this draft and maybe each get one pick towards the end of the draft.

Good post, this sounds like a pretty good alternative to me. I wouldn't have an issue having to delist, but you wouldn't really have to as decent non contracted players would be swooped up by these 'new' teams.

Definantly need to target specific people for that, though. I may put my hand up for challenge/taking over of hacks if it comes up. My 0 wins 15 losses from 2007 Shitkickers are on the verge of finals this year and on recent form probably top 4, with world domination likely next season till the end of mankind. The fact I can do this says a lot about the quality of some of the coaches which is a problem, though.

 

[BW]

Nice.

If we can get more coaches like RB the comp will be heaps better.

 

[Marklar_33]

Salary Cap is essential, thats one of the better parts

Maybe the H&A season needs extending, but that wouldnt help keep struggling teams keen

But all in all, I dont think the game needs changing, its just the kind of coaches that are required

One thing for sure, the coach of the Sydney Broncos will outlast Kevin Sheedy!

 

[rizzo]

Good post. Salary cap is a must.


An idea: We can restart again, however we retain parts of our list.

IE:

1 Player 30+

2 Players 26 - 30

2 Players 21 - 25

5 Players 21<

You can still retain some good players, guns you have drafted etc... But it gives that idea of re doing some lists.

Thoughts?

 

[sante]

I remember when I first came, boy did I do my best to #### my teams list up

It took me a couple of trade periods after that to get my team into final and last year, was damn close to a GF. I've traded in a future midfield of Stanton, Priddis, Simpson and drafted Foley and Gray and I don't want to lose them in a re-draft.

 

[BW]

Good post. Salary cap is a must.


An idea: We can restart again, however we retain parts of our list.

IE:

1 Player 30+

2 Players 26 - 30

2 Players 21 - 25

5 Players 21<

You can still retain some good players, guns you have drafted etc... But it gives that idea of re doing some lists.

Thoughts?

For the tip.

Your then left with a draft for the rest and you have a draft style game. This isn't a draft style game, its a given a list to start with and then trade/draft (national).

 

[matty_boy08]

You get to keep 7 players.

2 forwards, 2 midfielders, 2 Defenders & 1 Ruckman.

The rest go into a draft. For the other coaches to pick up.
That way you get to keep guns that you have(but not all of them)
While there's still a chance of revamping the game...


ALSO; What about making a seperate board for this game?
Im willing to help out with that.
That way teams can have their own boards etc.

 

[loopy_cam]

I don't want to re-draft. I like my list.

Don't give the struggling clubs a gift. That's what the National draft is for. They just have to be patient.

 

[matty_boy08]

But it would give new people like myself.
A chance to actually make their own team.

 

[loopy_cam]

I'm new. You can make your team by drafting and trading. Over a few years.

 

[BW]

Disecting lists and then redrafting the scraps is the worst thing that could happen.

I would retain the 12 best teams/coaches, sack the worst 4, then put those 4 teams into a draft pool and the 4 new (targetted) coaches can draft their own squad that is completely theirs. Perhaps we can give them some extra draft picks with perhaps a stipulation they must be traded to give them some more leverage to recruit some players from the rest of the comp.

I think a 16 team comp should probably remain. The quality of lists should reflect that of the AFL, if you reduce the team every team becomes stronger and the aspect of the game of recruiting smokeys and being able to spot the not so obvious talent would be lessened with these players just ending up on a free agents list.

 

[iampig]

"Disecting lists and then redrafting the scraps is the worst thing that could happen"

Agree,no point building a list if its going to get dismantled a few years later

"I think a 16 team comp should probably remain. The quality of lists should reflect that of the AFL, if you reduce the team every team becomes stronger and the aspect of the game of recruiting smokeys and being able to spot the not so obvious talent would be lessened with these players just ending up on a free agents list."

The diff is the selection process.In comps like this we are at the mercy of AFL selections.There are no auto replacement selections if your team suffers injuries etc.To compensate slightly stronger lists are the go .

IMO scrapping 2 teams,having a draft exclusively involving the players from those 2 teams is a good way of pleasing both established & newbie coaches.

Established coaches can make a few strategic picks (or load up if they want) while newbies with crap squads may choose to load up.Without looking into it to much I already have 16 spuds ready for the sack