Richmond 2012

[delediofan3]

Start of the season
B: Post Rance Grimes
HB: Ellis Houli Newman
C: Batchelor Martin Deledio
HF: Foley Riewoldt Miller
F: King Vickery Nahas
R: I. Maric Cotchin Tuck
INT: Jackson A.Maric Edwards Sub: Webberley

This is NOT the round 1 team, it is just the start of the season.
Post gets the gig ahead of McGuane even though he's a tad weak when in one on one situations, also Grimes. But Post's aerial work i.e. marking and Grimes' aerial work in spoiling makes up for Rance's poor aerial work.
Ellis > Morris, his disposal from what i've seen is far better than Morris' I don't really care if Morris is good in shutting down small forwards or medium forwards but I don't want him to be giving up the ball in our defensive 50 leading to a score.
Newman and Batchelor would be switching between each other's position. We all know that Newman will be moving up to the wing at various points to kick 70m goals but with a very inexperienced backline we need Newman to be taking charge.
Deledio = not an in and under player
Martin = 2013 Brownlow Medalist
Foley is just put on the HF line because I can't fit him in as a rover in front of Tuck as Tuck is just a clearance machine.
Miller > Griffiths

 

[cormick]

Just noticed that almost all of the teams posted leave Grigg out. I did too because I forgot about him. I'd imagine that he'd play in round one; he seems to be a favourite of the selection panel. Is there a reason he isn't even rating a mention as a potential to play?

 

[tiggywigs]

Just noticed that almost all of the teams posted leave Grigg out. I did too because I forgot about him. I'd imagine that he'd play in round one; he seems to be a favourite of the selection panel. Is there a reason he isn't even rating a mention as a potential to play?

Lacks physical presence.

 

[cormick]

[FONT=&quot]How I think we'll line up come rd 1:

FB: Joseph Jamison Laidler
FF: Nahas Riewoldt Miller

HB: Yarran Henderson Scotland
HF: Edwards Vickery Martin

C: Simpson Gibbs Lucas
C: Conca Foley Deledio

HF: Garlett Waite Robinson
HB: Dea McGuane Batchelor

FF: Betts Kreuzer Walker
FB: Newman Rance Grimes

Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Foll: Maric Jackson Cotchin

Inter: Ellard Carrazzo Thornton (Sub) - Curnow
Inter: Grigg Tuck Houli (Sub) - Ellis[/FONT]


With Cotchin, Foley, Jackson, Martin & Tuck as well as Deledio, Conca & Grigg, we have quite a good clearance team. But they do too. Against most teams this year, I'd expect us to win the clearances, especially now we have a decent ruckman (although I still hold high hopes for Browne). Throw in occasional bursts from Newman and I really like the look of our clearance ability. However, we're still likely to play between 2 and 5 of White, Edwards, Tuck, Jackson and Grigg, all of whom have questionable kicking ability, through the middle this year. Possibly a worry...

 

[Livonski]

Just noticed that almost all of the teams posted leave Grigg out. I did too because I forgot about him. I'd imagine that he'd play in round one; he seems to be a favourite of the selection panel. Is there a reason he isn't even rating a mention as a potential to play?

I think there is a real disconnect between match committee and bigfooty/tiger supporters on Grigg. I'd love to hear from the inside what they really think about this guy because I can't really passionately argue for him, like most others on this forum.
But there must be something we're missing. Are his "run with" roles adding more value than we think?
I'm going to watch him very closely next time, because top 10 in the b&f says that there is something happening here that we are missing.

 

[MightyTiger]

I think there is a real disconnect between match committee and bigfooty/tiger supporters on Grigg. I'd love to hear from the inside what they really think about this guy because I can't really passionately argue for him, like most others on this forum.
But there must be something we're missing. Are his "run with" roles adding more value than we think?
I'm going to watch him very closely next time, because top 10 in the b&f says that there is something happening here that we are missing.

He done quite a few good shut down roles last year, apart from that one screw up in the dream time game and a couple errant kicks the guy had a pretty good year, people just remember that one bad moment and blow it up to be something massive so every little mistake gets scrutinized even move.

 

[theflea]

One player who I think could suprise is Helbig. Most people dont have him in our best 22. However one thing that really stands out about him is his kicking, I never see him miss a target. Also noticed Dimma has been playing him off half back recently.

i did plenty of times last year but im putting it down to nerves of a 1st year player.hopefully.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

[FONT=&quot]How I think we'll line up come rd 1:

FB: Joseph Jamison Laidler
FF: Nahas Riewoldt Miller

HB: Yarran Henderson Scotland
HF: Edwards Vickery Martin

C: Simpson Gibbs Lucas
C: Conca Foley Deledio

HF: Garlett Waite Robinson
HB: Dea McGuane Batchelor

FF: Betts Kreuzer Walker
FB: Newman Rance Grimes

Foll: Warnock Judd Murphy
Foll: Maric Jackson Cotchin

Inter: Ellard Carrazzo Thornton (Sub) - Curnow
Inter: Grigg Tuck Houli (Sub) - Ellis[/FONT]


With Cotchin, Foley, Jackson, Martin & Tuck as well as Deledio, Conca & Grigg, we have quite a good clearance team. But they do too. Against most teams this year, I'd expect us to win the clearances, especially now we have a decent ruckman (although I still hold high hopes for Browne). Throw in occasional bursts from Newman and I really like the look of our clearance ability. However, we're still likely to play between 2 and 5 of White, Edwards, Tuck, Jackson and Grigg, all of whom have questionable kicking ability, through the middle this year. Possibly a worry...

I'd be shocked if the MC decided to play Edwards on Yarran , Jackson on Judd or McGuanne on Waite .

 

[cormick]

I'd be shocked if the MC decided to play Edwards on Yarran , Jackson on Judd or McGuane on Waite .

Just put my best 22 against what I think their's might be. I could see each of those eventuating though, wouldn't be surprised if they have happened before. Maybe Nahas on Yarran? McGuane isn't a certainty to play, I just think he'll be ever so slightly in front of Post and Astbury. Also think Jackson will be given first crack at Judd. I assume we won't go head-to-head with Cotchin, Martin, Foley or Deledio against him.

 

[santa claws]

He done quite a few good shut down roles last year, apart from that one screw up in the dream time game and a couple errant kicks the guy had a pretty good year, people just remember that one bad moment and blow it up to be something massive so every little mistake gets scrutinized even move.

lol mediocrity and the b&f have gone hand and hand for yrs now.

maybe hes top 10 just because hes the best of a poor bunch.

whoops replied to wrong post apologies.

 

[Livonski]

lol mediocrity and the b&f have gone hand and hand for yrs now.

maybe hes top 10 just because hes the best of a poor bunch.

whoops replied to wrong post apologies.

Was it meant for me Santa?

My point is about the disconnect, not pumping the player up myself. Just would like to hear what the insiders value re Grigg versus what we see.

 

[santa claws]

Was it meant for me Santa?

My point is about the disconnect, not pumping the player up myself. Just would like to hear what the insiders value re Grigg versus what we see.

the insiders on this have been totally wrong from the start.

i cant believe it when i hear on a regular basis FROM THE CLUB that we traded for this player because hes INSIDE and a GOOD KICK.

 

[Livonski]

Funnily enough Santa, I sorta knew what your view would be. The question was directed more at someone with the opposite view to explain what you were missing...if in fact you were missing something...surely not though.

 

[santa claws]

Funnily enough Santa, I sorta knew what your view would be. The question was directed more at someone with the opposite view to explain what you were missing...if in fact you were missing something...surely not though.

oh i see your looking for someone who thinks hes inside and a good kick.
good luck finding someone outside the club who thinks that.
ohhhh no thats right we are richmond supporters. prepare for the avalanche.

hmm me missing something, well not something important surely.

 

[MightyTiger]

lol mediocrity and the b&f have gone hand and hand for yrs now.

maybe hes top 10 just because hes the best of a poor bunch.

whoops replied to wrong post apologies.

He finished top 10 in the BnF because he obviously was doing something right, you may like to think you are a guru of all things football santa, but believe it or not, we actually have highly paid professionals doing the job and they are the ones who award points for BnF.

Although, not everyone can boast about having a family member picking out Adam Goodes with pick 100 or what ever it was, I guess that automatically makes your opinion more valid then others.

EDIT: Just so you know santa, I will be placing you on ignore, not that I don't mind a bit if negative chat to even out the over the top positive chat that goes on sometimes but I'm just not liking how word your posts to make it sound like your opinion is more valid then others and it is 100% absolute, I've been a member of this forum for almost 2 years and I think I've had about as much as I can take of your constant negative bullshit.

 

[tugga]

oh i see your looking for someone who thinks hes inside and a good kick.
good luck finding someone outside the club who thinks that.
ohhhh no thats right we are richmond supporters. prepare for the avalanche.

hmm me missing something, well not something important surely.

No need to be a smart arse. Had a few?

 

[RichoLedio]

I'd be shocked if the MC decided to play Edwards on Yarran , Jackson on Judd or McGuanne on Waite .

At least we know McGuane has the balls to play on Waite

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

At least we know McGuane has the balls to play on Waite

Matter of hardness to take into account as well...bit stiff last time...went down too easy......

 

[santa claws]

He finished top 10 in the BnF because he obviously was doing something right, you may like to think you are a guru of all things football santa, but believe it or not, we actually have highly paid professionals doing the job and they are the ones who award points for BnF.

Although, not everyone can boast about having a family member picking out Adam Goodes with pick 100 or what ever it was, I guess that automatically makes your opinion more valid then others.

EDIT: Just so you know santa, I will be placing you on ignore, not that I don't mind a bit if negative chat to even out the over the top positive chat that goes on sometimes but I'm just not liking how word your posts to make it sound like your opinion is more valid then others and it is 100% absolute, I've been a member of this forum for almost 2 years and I think I've had about as much as I can take of your constant negative bullshit.

good for you take your bat and ball and go home. ive never asked anyone to read my posts yet alone reply to them. just putting an opposite oppinion out there.i will continue to do that no matter if people reads my posts or not.

and your wrong having an ex recruiter as a family member has nothing to do with my opinion. what makes ones opinion valid is getting things right most of the time.and thats what pisses you lot off i get more right than wrong.

oh by the way can you ask those highly paid professionals to bloody well get something right for once so we can get out of the bottom half of the ladder just once every ten yrs. yep those HIGHLY PAID PROFESSIONALS records are great and we should all have faith in them.

hey if you do read this ever thought theres some of us who think all the positive posts are nothing but bullshit. see ya hope ya enjoy fairy land.
just to finish id say if what one posts is proven correct more often than most others, wouldnt one be entitled to feel just a little confident in the way he posts.
if its right its valid nothing hard to understand about that.

 

[santa claws]

No need to be a smart arse. Had a few?

LOL no smarter than any other poster around here.

 

[delediofan3]

when is the vfl game?? isnt it this weekend??

 

[_RT_]

good for you take your bat and ball and go home. ive never asked anyone to read my posts yet alone reply to them. just putting an opposite oppinion out there.i will continue to do that no matter if people reads my posts or not.

and your wrong having an ex recruiter as a family member has nothing to do with my opinion. what makes ones opinion valid is getting things right most of the time.and thats what pisses you lot off i get more right than wrong.

oh by the way can you ask those highly paid professionals to bloody well get something right for once so we can get out of the bottom half of the ladder just once every ten yrs. yep those HIGHLY PAID PROFESSIONALS records are great and we should all have faith in them.

hey if you do read this ever thought theres some of us who think all the positive posts are nothing but bullshit. see ya hope ya enjoy fairy land.
just to finish id say if what one posts is proven correct more often than most others, wouldnt one be entitled to feel just a little confident in the way he posts.
if its right its valid nothing hard to understand about that.

The highly paid professionals you're talking about for the most part have only been here for 2 full seasons and based on that it would be fair to say that they have got more right than they have wrong over the last 2 years. If you use your logic of if its proven correct more times than not then its valid, it would be fair to say that their opinions are quite valid when it comes to the players.

 

[santa claws]

The highly paid professionals you're talking about for the most part have only been here for 2 full seasons and based on that it would be fair to say that they have got more right than they have wrong over the last 2 years. If you use your logic of if its proven correct more times than not then its valid, it would be fair to say that their opinions are quite valid when it comes to the players.

all well and good rt but all i have said is they got it wrong if they think they got an inside mid who kicks well. do they get everything right.should we not question the bloody obvious.
sheesh if anything id say grigg plays soft and he finished top 10.

imo plenty of players have top 10 finishes in our b&f over the yrs and their seasons have only been passable just my opinion.

 

[_RT_]

all well and good rt but all i have said is they got it wrong if they think they got an inside mid who kicks well. do they get everything right.should we not question the bloody obvious.
sheesh if anything id say grigg plays soft and he finished top 10.

imo plenty of players have top 10 finishes in our b&f over the yrs and their seasons have only been passable just my opinion.

A couple of things for you and others to consider when it comes to Grigg:
- was ranked 7th at the club for clearances and 8th for first possessions.
- was ranked 5th for kicks to advantage which was better than supposed elite kicks in Deledio Conca Batchelor & Martin.
- for kicks direct to the opposition he ranked 15th well behind the likes of Cotchin Martin Deledio & Newman who are all considered to be much better kicks.
- for critical errors Grigg was ranked 23rd at the club with an average of 1.1 per game from 21 games. Also ranked 24th for skill errors.
- ranked 8th for score assists and 5th for score involvements.

Now I know that some will say that stats mean shit, but to me it does back up the 'highly paid professionals' opinion on Grigg and what he brings to the table. He can win his own footy, can deliver it more often than not to the benefit of his teammates, which either allows us to maintain possession or score.

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Agree RT, not elite, but a workhorse. If he could become defensive like a Clint Jones, Grigg with his more effective disposal, would a level above and hold his position should we make top 4 in the next few years IMO.