Richmond 2012

[Crow_Sting]

B: 11. Jake Batchelor - 2. Dylan Grimes - 17. Chris Newman

HB: 14. Bachar Houli - 18. Alex Rance - 42. Brandon Ellis

C: 3. Brett Deledio - 9. Trent Cotchin - 6. Shaun Grigg

HF: 10. Shane Edwards - 29. Tyrone Vickery - 30. Reece Conca

F: 28. Jake King - 8. Jack Riewoldt - 26. Robin Nahas

R: 20. Ivan Maric - 4. Dustin Martin - 41. Nathan Foley

I: 23. Daniel Jackson - 7. Matthew Dea - 38. Steven Morris

Sub: 47. Addam Maric

Em: 21. Shane Tuck - 25. Angus Graham - 6. Shaun Grigg

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

B: 11. Jake Batchelor - 2. Dylan Grimes - 17. Chris Newman

HB: 14. Bachar Houli - 18. Alex Rance - 42. Brandon Ellis

C: 3. Brett Deledio - 9. Trent Cotchin - 6. Shaun Grigg

HF: 10. Shane Edwards - 29. Tyrone Vickery - 30. Reece Conca

F: 28. Jake King - 8. Jack Riewoldt - 26. Robin Nahas

R: 20. Ivan Maric - 4. Dustin Martin - 41. Nathan Foley

I: 23. Daniel Jackson - 7. Matthew Dea - 38. Steven Morris

Sub: 47. Addam Maric

Em: 21. Shane Tuck - 25. Angus Graham - 6. Shaun Grigg

Grigg , Emerg or on a Wing ?

 

[_RT_]

B: Newman Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Post Batchelor
C: Conca Cotchin Edwards
HF: Deledio Miller A.Maric
F: Vickery Riewoldt Nahas
R: I.Maric Martin Foley
I/C: Tuck Jackson Grigg
SUB: Ellis
EMG: Morris King Webberley

 

[ize_]

Current line up.

B: Dea Rance Grimes
HB: Newman Post Batchelor
C: Conca Cotchin Deledio
HF: Edwards Miller Grigg
F: Nahas Riewoldt Vickery
Foll: I. Maric Martin Foley
Inter: Ellis Houli Jackson A. Maric
Emerg: Webberley Tuck Morris

I have Edwards on verrrrrry thin ice. I believe he's earned the right to lose his spot rather than be denied it however.

I could have Morris instead of Dea, right now I have Dea but who knows what the future might bring.

Just don't share the Tuck enthusiasm, have Jacko ahead at this stage.

You can't deny Miller based on form. Similarly to Edwards, it's his to lose.

Wouldn't mind seeing Connors in Edwards' spot at some point, would be pretty rude though considering.

White is very unlucky. Despite perceptions he can be very handy and I would not be at all surprised to see him kicking the winner in round 1.

Would like to see Helbig, Griffiths and/or Derickx and Webberley in the side sooner rather than later. All are excellent players in their special way.

I think about this side several times a day

 

[santa claws]

i understand your pov and agree it would be good but we need to pick the right 1. mhor and was pre listed by gws,wilkes is rubbish. warnock i could live with but i get your argument and i agree with as long as we get it right. the only thing we can guess is the club didnt think there was 1 good enough.i do agree we have lacked the forsight in drafting defenders.also im sure we asked about players in the trade period but there wasnt any 1's on offer that were any good. im all for trading for a defender as long as they are good enough.unfortunately there is just not that many big defenders around.

disagree about wilkes. is at least as good as rance in contests with big kpfs. his yr last yr was v/good and clubs like us should have been banging the door down to give him a try.
but that detracts from the point weather you dont rate wilkes and i do has nothing to do with it. based on lower league performance and what he did at wce he was worth giving a go toto try to alleviate a problem we have.

the wb took a punt on mark austin. they had lake coming of many injuries they had a promising bloke in markovic hold down fb for them last yr yet they went and gave austin a chance.
we have one bloke who can play fb atm and we cant give a warnock or wilkes or a austin a look in. the difference in list management is huge.
you take these types knowing theres a good chance of failure but you hope theres a reasonable chance of success at the same time.these blokes imo have performed certain roles infinately better than players currently getting a game yet we turn our noses up at them. what ever is wrong with value adding with later picks.

i question who ever is in charge of looking at recycled players at the club.blair hartley i think.
i ask why did he overlook barlow and about 50 others who have made it in recent yrs. we took morris, did anyone bother to look at leigh spurr last night. sheesh he would walk into our side.
there are many players who have better attributes in lower leagues than players we continually persevere with.

finally if anyone thinks its short term to go out and get 4 or 5 mature players i point them to one place. our list. it contains just 9 players aged 25 or over and the majority are underachievers. we are screaming out for a balance.
i say again it is imperative we take a look at more bigger bodies and mature players. theres about 2 25 plus yr olds you can say are medium term the rest need to be upgraded on.
how long will it take to get 15 20 players into the 25plus age bracket solely thru the nd under these circumstances.

 

[Madtiger2006]

I hope Tuck struggles to get games. Kicking is getting worse and worse

 

[Madtiger2006]

disagree about wilkes. is at least as good as rance in contests with big kpfs. his yr last yr was v/good and clubs like us should have been banging the door down to give him a try.
but that detracts from the point weather you dont rate wilkes and i do has nothing to do with it. based on lower league performance and what he did at wce he was worth giving a go toto try to alleviate a problem we have.

the wb took a punt on mark austin. they had lake coming of many injuries they had a promising bloke in markovic hold down fb for them last yr yet they went and gave austin a chance.
we have one bloke who can play fb atm and we cant give a warnock or wilkes or a austin a look in. the difference in list management is huge.
you take these types knowing theres a good chance of failure but you hope theres a reasonable chance of success at the same time.these blokes imo have performed certain roles infinately better than players currently getting a game yet we turn our noses up at them. what ever is wrong with value adding with later picks.

i question who ever is in charge of looking at recycled players at the club.blair hartley i think.
i ask why did he overlook barlow and about 50 others who have made it in recent yrs. we took morris, did anyone bother to look at leigh spurr last night. sheesh he would walk into our side.
there are many players who have better attributes in lower leagues than players we continually persevere with.

finally if anyone thinks its short term to go out and get 4 or 5 mature players i point them to one place. our list. it contains just 9 players aged 25 or over and the majority are underachievers. we are screaming out for a balance.
i say again it is imperative we take a look at more bigger bodies and mature players. theres about 2 25 plus yr olds you can say are medium term the rest need to be upgraded on.
how long will it take to get 15 20 players into the 25plus age bracket solely thru the nd under these circumstances.

Wilkes is shite

 

[TigerBlood87]

B: Ellis Rance Grimes
HB: Houli Post Batchelor
C: Conca Cotchin Newman
HF: Martin Miller A.Maric
F: Vickery Riewoldt Nahas
R: I.Maric Deledio Foley
I/C: Tuck Jackson Grigg
SUB: Edwards
EMG: Webberley Helbig Dea Elton Morris

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Wilkes is shite

Is he shite because Santa likes him?!?...

Or is he shite because he's a poor footballer?!?...

Which is it......

 

[thecotch9]

haha wilkes? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh santa he's a stinker of a player..
wow craw i must say sheesh indeed..

 

[theflea]

haha wilkes? sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh santa he's a stinker of a player..
wow craw i must say sheesh indeed..

love it

 

[santa claws]

Is he shite because Santa likes him?!?...

Or is he shite because he's a poor footballer?!?...

Which is it......

lol thats a good question.you never know with this lot.
id like two bob for every time ive heard tiger heads say a mature player like wilkes is shit. and so so many go on to make reasonable careers once they are given a chance.

its funny they get caught up in the hes shit or hes good side of it but ignore what should be done as far as the list goes.
wilkes may not make it ive said that a few times as well but he is what is needed atm because of the dearth of options and experince in the backline. the point is it doesnt have to be wilkes it could be someone else we think can provide some cover at the least.
i will say he is a better option than mcguane ot thursfield and he certainly has better attributes than all of grimes moore thursfield or mcguane to play on big strong kpfs.what is there to lose. its a need and a must do not a maybe we should do this. or that.
the same goes for warnock and austin they give us something potentially straight away that we dont have. call it value adding.

we cry about chb yet a 20 yr old like tom lee tore the wafl apart last yr playing there.
id happily have wilkes at the club or warnock or austin or any number of mature recruits. if they fail so be it, if they make it we get a player for nothing and some ready made input straight away.
sheesh what part of theres only 9 aged 25 or more and most of them ordinary dont people understand.

is it a good thing to have just alex rance on the list who is reasonably capable of playing fb. yet all we cop is we dont need anyone else when nothing could be further from the truth talk about blinkered.

i know lets throw piva wright in there as the next cab off the rank. when rance gets hurt or in all likelyhood fails as a fb just throw the rookie in.

or i know lets play a hack like mcguane back there or throw the very undersized grimes in there way before hes ready physically.
the lack of thinking by some posters is incredible . you would think we had a shedload of 25 yr old plus players the way people carry on. hello people we dont we dont have anywhere near enough and if people want finals in the next 2 or 3 yrs they had damn well better get used to the idea of trading for and drafting plenty of mature types.

heres a question for all. a hypothetical one.

lets just say rance is a failure as a fb. god forbid nooooo i hear you all say, but humour me. lets say he fails or god forbid suffers a long term injury. who is there to play fb. should we not have a capable replacement in our system just in case. or do we just wait and see and when things go wrong we start from scratch again. do we just throw rookies in the deepend or physically unready players sheesh the answer is pretty simple.

we had an opportunity to add some experience and depth and cover for the short term but spurned the opportunity.
as usual we will wait until things hit crisis point before we even look at some sort of decent cover, if we arent at crisis point already.
good list management is non existant at the club.
it seems some supporters have become so ingrained to poor list management they think its normal.
supporters suffer tunnel vision

 

[theflea]

disagree about wilkes. is at least as good as rance in contests with big kpfs. his yr last yr was v/good and clubs like us should have been banging the door down to give him a try.
but that detracts from the point weather you dont rate wilkes and i do has nothing to do with it. based on lower league performance and what he did at wce he was worth giving a go toto try to alleviate a problem we have.

the wb took a punt on mark austin. they had lake coming of many injuries they had a promising bloke in markovic hold down fb for them last yr yet they went and gave austin a chance.
we have one bloke who can play fb atm and we cant give a warnock or wilkes or a austin a look in. the difference in list management is huge.
you take these types knowing theres a good chance of failure but you hope theres a reasonable chance of success at the same time.these blokes imo have performed certain roles infinately better than players currently getting a game yet we turn our noses up at them. what ever is wrong with value adding with later picks.

i question who ever is in charge of looking at recycled players at the club.blair hartley i think.
i ask why did he overlook barlow and about 50 others who have made it in recent yrs. we took morris, did anyone bother to look at leigh spurr last night. sheesh he would walk into our side.
there are many players who have better attributes in lower leagues than players we continually persevere with.

finally if anyone thinks its short term to go out and get 4 or 5 mature players i point them to one place. our list. it contains just 9 players aged 25 or over and the majority are underachievers. we are screaming out for a balance.
i say again it is imperative we take a look at more bigger bodies and mature players. theres about 2 25 plus yr olds you can say are medium term the rest need to be upgraded on.
how long will it take to get 15 20 players into the 25plus age bracket solely thru the nd under these circumstances.

the bolded section doesnt make sense. if you know they wont make why do it?give late or rookie picks to players you think can make be it kids or mature players but get the right players.by all means get the mature players but get the right players thats all im saying. ive told you before blair hartley looks at afl players not anything else. its the recruiting dept that looks at the lower leagues.

 

[theflea]

lol thats a good question.you never know with this lot.
id like two bob for every time ive heard tiger heads say a mature player like wilkes is shit. and so so many go on to make reasonable careers once they are given a chance.

its funny they get caught up in the hes shit or hes good side of it but ignore what should be done as far as the list goes.
wilkes may not make it ive said that a few times as well but he is what is needed atm because of the dearth of options and experince in the backline. the point is it doesnt have to be wilkes it could be someone else we think can provide some cover at the least.
i will say he is a better option than mcguane ot thursfield and he certainly has better attributes than all of grimes moore thursfield or mcguane to play on big strong kpfs.what is there to lose. its a need and a must do not a maybe we should do this. or that.
the same goes for warnock and austin they give us something potentially straight away that we dont have. call it value adding.

we cry about chb yet a 20 yr old like tom lee tore the wafl apart last yr playing there.
id happily have wilkes at the club or warnock or austin or any number of mature recruits. if they fail so be it, if they make it we get a player for nothing and some ready made input straight away.
sheesh what part of theres only 9 aged 25 or more and most of them ordinary dont people understand.

is it a good thing to have just alex rance on the list who is reasonably capable of playing fb. yet all we cop is we dont need anyone else when nothing could be further from the truth talk about blinkered.

i know lets throw piva wright in there as the next cab off the rank. when rance gets hurt or in all likelyhood fails as a fb just throw the rookie in.

or i know lets play a hack like mcguane back there or throw the very undersized grimes in there way before hes ready physically.
the lack of thinking by some posters is incredible . you would think we had a shedload of 25 yr old plus players the way people carry on. hello people we dont we dont have anywhere near enough and if people want finals in the next 2 or 3 yrs they had damn well better get used to the idea of trading for and drafting plenty of mature types.

heres a question for all. a hypothetical one.

lets just say rance is a failure as a fb. god forbid nooooo i hear you all say, but humour me. lets say he fails or god forbid suffers a long term injury. who is there to play fb. should we not have a capable replacement in our system just in case. or do we just wait and see and when things go wrong we start from scratch again. do we just throw rookies in the deepend or physically unready players sheesh the answer is pretty simple.

we had an opportunity to add some experience and depth and cover for the short term but spurned the opportunity.
as usual we will wait until things hit crisis point before we even look at some sort of decent cover, if we arent at crisis point already.
good list management is non existant at the club.
it seems some supporters have become so ingrained to poor list management they think its normal.
supporters suffer tunnel vision

the general idea you have santa is fine. but when coming from so far back as we have putting short cut after short cut in place for so long the club has said no short cuts from now on. now i dont think that is mutually exclusive but i think the club has backed in grimes,rance,post,astbury,vickery,derickx and elton. now should we have injuries im sure astbury will be the first cab of the rank. should we invest in a mature fb, sure maybe. but maybe the club see mcguane as that back up as well. either way the 'we want it and we want it now' noose around our neck for so long has got to a point where the club is going to invest in the draft to get it right. value adding with players is good thing but i dont think we are going to find scarlett in the lower leagues bc im sure other clubs would have done it and spruiked about it.the hawks have a need for a big fb and they have money and they havent got 1 from these leagues.

 

[santa claws]

the bolded section doesnt make sense. if you know they wont make why do it?give late or rookie picks to players you think can make be it kids or mature players but get the right players.by all means get the mature players but get the right players thats all im saying. ive told you before blair hartley looks at afl players not anything else. its the recruiting dept that looks at the lower leagues.

agreed that sentence wasnt phrased too well.every player you take has a risk factor.
with mature players you take them because they have shown they can dominate at the next level down. in most instances outplaying blokes who are on afl lists. they have most of the attributes that should see them make it at afl.and they in most cases have the hunger and desire to show they belong. i suppose percieved upside is an issue.

yet they are mature recruits they have been overlooked for a reason or reasons hence i suppose the risk is percieved to be higher rightly or wrongly.

anyway i agrre i didnt say it too well and probably still havent.

 

[theflea]

agreed that sentence wasnt phrased too well.every player you take has a risk factor.
with mature players you take them because they have shown they can dominate at the next level down. in most instances outplaying blokes who are on afl lists. they have most of the attributes that should see them make it at afl.and they in most cases have the hunger and desire to show they belong.

yet they are mature recruits they have been overlooked for a reason or reasons hence i suppose the risk is percieved to be higher rightly or wrongly.

yes i was going to say i think you didnt word it properly.

 

[santa claws]

the general idea you have santa is fine. but when coming from so far back as we have putting short cut after short cut in place for so long the club has said no short cuts from now on. now i dont think that is mutually exclusive but i think the club has backed in grimes,rance,post,astbury,vickery,derickx and elton. now should we have injuries im sure astbury will be the first cab of the rank. should we invest in a mature fb, sure maybe. but maybe the club see mcguane as that back up as well. either way the 'we want it and we want it now' noose around our neck for so long has got to a point where the club is going to invest in the draft to get it right. value adding with players is good thing but i dont think we are going to find scarlett in the lower leagues bc im sure other clubs would have done it and spruiked about it.the hawks have a need for a big fb and they have money and they havent got 1 from these leagues.

cmon dont move the posts. we are talking kpds.
grimes rance post and astbury thats it.
grimes is two yrsa away from playing kp if he ever gets there, just look at his size and body shape.
astbury and post are either chb or chf and it is a fine line for them from either making it or failure. it leaves just rance as a fb and there is massive debate about his ability to perform that role.none of these blokes are over 22 sheesh you arent saying they couldnt do with a mature body or 2 around them are ya..
we play miller down forward for the very reason that we should find a mature big bodied defender or two down back.

again 9 players just 25 or over its a crisis. taking some mature players is not a short cut its a bloody neccesity. i will say again its a neccesity.

bloody hell, miller cmon has to be short term. tuck is 30 31 is short term,
king is 28 and lacks quality has to be short term, moore is 28 and a cripple has to be short term, newman is 29 again short term, jackson is a dud mcguane is also. ivan maric is 26 and looks a medium to short term keeper and foley is 25 and a keeper.

to get adequate numbers in the 25 thru veteran category over the next say 2 or 3 yrs we need all of those mentioned to remain and all of nahas, edwards, hoili, webberley, white, connors, morris, grigg, derickx graham, and deledio to move into that category. thats the whole number of 23 24 yr olds. work it out for yourself.and while your asking questions ask wheres the quality.

if we dont take mature players it is highly likely in 3 or 4 yrs time we will be in exactly the same position we are in now.in fact we could have fewer than 9 players in the 25 plus bracket.
we cant rebuild with just youngsters in the nd in fact that has never been the case.

ive done my best to explain where we are at if you think taking a few mature players is a short cut well im wasting my breath. if you cant see the gaping holes in the list you never will.

in the past regularly trading away good early picks 1st 2nd 3rd rounders for aging players is a short term fix. failing to use these picks on good kids is what has killed us.

but taking mature players fairly cheaply to fill in holes and buy some development time for younger players has never been wrong its always been a neccesity and most clubs have always done it.if people think this a short term fix they are fools. clubs value add all the time even clubs in early rebuild.

 

[theflea]

cmon dont move the posts. we are talking kpds.
grimes rance post and astbury thats it.
grimes is two yrsa away from playing kp if he ever gets there, just look at his size and body shape.
astbury and post are either chb or chf and it is a fine line for them from either making it or failure. it leaves just rance as a fb and there is massive debate about his ability to perform that role.none of these blokes are over 22 sheesh you arent saying they couldnt do with a mature body or 2 around them are ya..
we play miller down forward for the very reason that we should find a mature big bodied defender or two down back.

again 9 players just 25 or over its a crisis. taking some mature players is not a short cut its a bloody neccesity. i will say again its a neccesity.

bloody hell, miller cmon has to be short term. tuck is 30 31 is short term,
king is 28 and lacks quality has to be short term, moore is 28 and a cripple has to be short term, newman is 29 again short term, jackson is a dud mcguane is also. ivan maric is 26 and looks a medium to short term keeper and foley is 25 and a keeper.

to get adequate numbers in the 25 thru veteran category over the next say 2 or 3 yrs we need all of those mentioned to remain and all of nahas, edwards, hoili, webberley, white, connors, morris, grigg, derickx graham, and deledio to move into that category. thats the whole number of 23 24 yr olds. work it out for yourself.and while your asking questions ask wheres the quality.

if we dont take mature players it is highly likely in 3 or 4 yrs time we will be in exactly the same position we are in now.in fact we could have fewer than 9 players in the 25 plus bracket.
we cant rebuild with just youngsters in the nd in fact that has never been the case.

ive done my best to explain where we are at if you think taking a few mature players is a short cut well im wasting my breath. if you cant see the gaping holes in the list you never will.

in the past regularly trading away good early picks 1st 2nd 3rd rounders for aging players is a short term fix. failing to use these picks on good kids is what has killed us.

but taking mature players fairly cheaply to fill in holes and buy some development time for younger players has never been wrong its always been a neccesity and most clubs have always done it.if people think this a short term fix they are fools. clubs value add all the time even clubs in early rebuild.

firstly are you now admitting that the drafting of i maric was a good thing. it would be good if you admit that. i am not saying dont value add mature players at all. im saying do it but get the right players that will add value not clog value thats all. when referring to kpd's the club wants games into the young kpd's ie grimes rance and post/astbury. its clear they want to get experience into these players in the 1's. finding a gorilla elsewhere is unlikely but sure the exercise should be done. im just saying i think they a)they want to give post/grimes as much game time as they can (or else the picks are to no avail) and b)they didnt find a kpd in the lower leagues. you dont know either way if they did the exercise neither do i so your summising they didnt and maybe they thought they didnt find any they liked but you disagree thats why you are commenting on it.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

How many players do you bring in from other clubs a year? Last two seasons we have gone with Grigg/Houli, followed by Maric/Morris (Morris is mature age from lower league, same basket IMO).

The club would be very, very mindful when making these decisions. You overload on these types who don't cut it, and we all know what the fallout will be like from the Tiger faithful, and probably rightly so.

Some of the names thrown up for mature age KPDs, well we may as well just stay with McGuane, seriously. Gee it's easy to talk underachievers up from other clubs, lower leagues, and get away with it. Sheesh

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

How many players do you bring in from other clubs a year? Last two seasons we have gone with Grigg/Houli, followed by Maric/Morris (Morris is mature age from lower league, same basket IMO).

The club would be very, very mindful when making these decisions. You overload on these types who don't cut it, and we all know what the fallout will be like from the Tiger faithful, and probably rightly so.

Some of the names thrown up for mature age KPDs, well we may as well just stay with McGuane, seriously. Gee it's easy to talk underachievers up from other clubs, lower leagues, and get away with. Sheesh

I can remember Cartankers doing exactly that same thing back in 2002/2003/2004...and it worked a treat for them too!......

2002...Drafted...
Mickey Martin(NM)...
Barnaby French(PA)...

2003...Drafted...
Glen Bowyer(HAWKS)...
Jordan Bannister(ESS)...
Adrian Deluca(PM)...
Stephen Kenna(BOX HILL HAWKS)...
David Clarke(GEEL)...
Daniel Harford(HAWKS)...
Brett Johnson(HAWKS)...
Cory McGrath(ESS)...
Digby Morrell(NM)...
Heath Scotland(COLL)...
David Teague(NM)...

2004...Drafted...
Callum Chambers(WCE)...
Troy Longmuir(FREO)...

They must have been influential cos funnily enough North Melbourne in...

2005...Drafted...
Kasey Green(WCE)...
Tim Hutchison(PA)...
Jonathon Hay(HAWKS)...
Daniel McConnell(WCE)...
Mark Powell(SWANS)...
Jade Rawlings(Footscray)...

Short memories......

 

[Damo80]

Santa, I agree with you on two points:
- there's no room for error (or for lack of development) in our KPD department. If one of Post/Astbury/Grimes doesn't step up, we're in for more pain in the short to medium term, cos we just can't expect to be competitive without at least two competent big defenders.
- and, taking a mature rookie is a low risk prospect

BUT, our list is clogged with good second tier players.... guys that dominate at Coburg, but we love to hate when they prove they're not quite up to AFL standard.

I can see why we would look to younger prospects like Piva and Darrou rather than someone who may look good at VFL/WAFL level but have shortcomings that mean they are unlikely to develop into AFL players. Fact is, those sort of players are probably no better than McGuane, who would probably dominate if playing in the WAFL.

 

[theflea]

Santa, I agree with you on two points:
- there's no room for error (or for lack of development) in our KPD department. If one of Post/Astbury/Grimes doesn't step up, we're in for more pain in the short to medium term, cos we just can't expect to be competitive without at least two competent big defenders.
- and, taking a mature rookie is a low risk prospect

BUT, our list is clogged with good second tier players.... guys that dominate at Coburg, but we love to hate when they prove they're not quite up to AFL standard.

I can see why we would look to younger prospects like Piva and Darrou rather than someone who may look good at VFL/WAFL level but have shortcomings that mean they are unlikely to develop into AFL players. Fact is, those sort of players are probably no better than McGuane, who would probably dominate if playing in the WAFL.

damo i also agree (the 2 points) but as long as we can really get a player which imo is not likely. here we have a lower resourced recruiting dept v other top clubs with all the money yet they arent doing the same. maybe they also dont think they are any good.

ps i also think we all should end our posts with





sheesh!!!!( your a cult hero now santa)

 

[Slattery_20]

How many successful rookie picks have you had recently?

IIRC King, Nahas and Miller are the only three in the last 5 years to have played any significant number of games. All into their 20s when you got them.

I think that's where you should be looking pretty hard at re-treads or good state league players. Just think it cuts down a few of the risks

 

[santa claws]

How many players do you bring in from other clubs a year? Last two seasons we have gone with Grigg/Houli, followed by Maric/Morris (Morris is mature age from lower league, same basket IMO).

The club would be very, very mindful when making these decisions. You overload on these types who don't cut it, and we all know what the fallout will be like from the Tiger faithful, and probably rightly so.

Some of the names thrown up for mature age KPDs, well we may as well just stay with McGuane, seriously. Gee it's easy to talk underachievers up from other clubs, lower leagues, and get away with it. Sheesh

lol people dont like something up goes the barriers.
how many of our rookies have made it in the last 4 or 5 seasons. how many of the young late nd picks. this is what im on about surely there is less risk with a mature player and your also more likely to get some sort of contribution straight away.

how on earth could we overload on 25 plus yr olds. we could take 12 and get up to some sort of level on a par with other clubs in this age bracket.
whos asking for 12 and whos asking we sell the farm to get them.
all ive said is why not a warnock or similar type when all we have is rance at fb with no other real applicant for the role. sheesh ive had people use the oh but rance is only 21 22 excuse for his failings but those same people wont acknowledge the need for ready to go replacement just in case.

why is it alright to have miller but its not alright to do the same thing for other areas of the list that are lacking.
i will tell ya again 9 aged 25 or over on 26th march the start of the season. and a good percentage of thoe 9 are hacks.
hawthorn have about 19 almost half their list.
ffs gc have about 11 25 plus yr olds most of theirs are decent players unlike us.

why would we stick with mcguane hes a dud. there are players in the vfl wafl sanfl who are infinately better or potentially better.
sheesh the idea of every part of drafting/trading is to continually turn players over until you find some good ones.you are actually looking for upgrades that is the process.
what??? you cant grasp that simple concept. or you think mcguane is worth keeping over a player with enough afl attribiutes who has dominated at a lower level, sheesh talk about limiting your prospects.but hey with a whopping 9 players aged 25 or older you obviously think we have more than enough players in this bracket.

oh i know what it is. if you acknowledge that 9 25 plus yr olds is nowhere near enough then you have to acknowledge list management is shiizen and we cant do that now can we.

 

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How many successful rookie picks have you had recently?

IIRC King, Nahas and Miller are the only three in the last 5 years to have played any significant number of games. All into their 20s when you got them.

I think that's where you should be looking pretty hard at re-treads or good state league players. Just think it cuts down a few of the risks

thank you sir. exactly what ive been saying. hey can i ask how many 25 plus yr olds do you guys have on your list.