Richmonds activity in the upcomming 'Super-draft'

[tomthetiger]

Incorrect.

Same could have would have been said last year but the top shelf KPP we rated were all gone. Instead of going for a Clark we went for JON who we thought was the better prospect.

I have not been impressed with Riewoldt. I'd jump at Thorp however.

If Selwood really is the outstanding midfielder after Gibbs / a 19 year old Crawford type I'd be more than happy to take him with out first pick rathering than taking a 2nd rate tall.

What the ****? I dare say you've only seen him play once, and that was the one game they showed of the division 2 teams. In this game, he was very good for 3 quarters and won the game off his own boot in the last. I dont see how you can be non-impressed with that. Its funny how hype works. The media pump him up endlessely because of his surname, yet this means that the wannabee talent scouts like Bentleigh want to say that he is overrated at the first chance they receive. Its hard to really know how good he is unless you see a number of his games. Bentleigh knows nothing, and just assumes he is overrated because of his surname. Others are the opposite. In my view he is a late top10 pick. There is also no reason why he couldnt play in a KPP role. Is also versatile and can play back, or forward. Overall, If rather Thorp or another in the top5, but if it was out of Jetta, Mckenzie and Reiwoldt, Id take the last mentioned.

 

[Bentleigh]

Selwood has some raw talent but is no home-run selection. If he doesn't find the dedication he will pretty much follow Pettifer's example of a guy who traded on potential for 5 years before finally deciding to get fit enough to play.

OK I will be a little less cryptic.
Selwood knows that he is going to be drafted that is why this year he has been focussing on getting his body right. He had more to gain by getting his body right than spending a week playing 3 games for Vic Country which he did last year and made the All Australian team. What would he of gained? Individual glory?
As I said before he has looked at what Chris Judd did the year prior to being drafted and has seen the advantage to being physically ready. Dedication is not the problem with the kid. He plays on a HBF simply as this is where the modern game is controlled not ruck rover or centre like it used to.

A good post.

 

[Bentleigh]

What the ****? I dare say you've only seen him play once, and that was the one game they showed of the division 2 teams.

Also saw him on the VFL for Tassie, and have spoken in deapth to a few people take see plenty of TAC matchs working with a club.

In this game, he was very good for 3 quarters and won the game off his own boot in the last. I dont see how you can be non-impressed with that. Its funny how hype works. The media pump him up endlessely because of his surname, yet this means that the wannabee talent scouts like Bentleigh want to say that he is overrated at the first chance they receive. Its hard to really know how good he is unless you see a number of his games. Bentleigh knows nothing, and just assumes he is overrated because of his surname. Others are the opposite. In my view he is a late top10 pick. There is also no reason why he couldnt play in a KPP role.

I don't underrate nor overrate him due to having a famous name. I have formed my ideas based on what I've seen, heard and read from the like of Mojo and Weaver.

All in all, im not impressed.

Is also versatile and can play back, or forward. Overall, If rather Thorp or another in the top5, but if it was out of Jetta, Mckenzie and Reiwoldt, Id take the last mentioned.

I'd rather Selwood.

 

[tomthetiger]

You may not be impressed, but you also havent seen enough, or know enough about him to make a serious judgement.

 

[Bentleigh]

You may not be impressed, but you also havent seen enough, or know enough about him to make a serious judgement.

Again, I form my 2 cents of what I have read, heard and viewed on telly.

 

[Limbach_19]

A grade Midfielder > B grade KPP

 

[Bentleigh]

A grade Midfielder > B grade KPP

 

[Richo83]

Wouldn't be suprised to see Reiwolt slip down to Richmond's pick Richo, but I feel that you severely under-rate Thorp. From what I saw of him at the carnival, he looks Top 4 material to me.

I agree, and I rate Thorp highly.

But is he better than Gumbleton, Hansen, Sellar or Gibbs? Thorp is a very good player, but IMO the players mentionned above are superstars. The way I see it is that one of the KPP will slip down, and IMO the top seven are Gibbs, Selwood, Gumbleton, Sellar, Hansen and Thorp. If we finish with pick seven, we will get one of those. IMO for Richmond Thorp will be better for us than Selwood, who is a great KPP.

 

[Bentleigh]

Just going by shear weight of numbers I'm starting to think KPP.


22 and under

KPP

Moore, Kelvin
Schulz, Jay
Pattison, Adam
Thursfield, Will
Limbach, Dean
Hughes, Cleve
McGuane, Luke
Graham, Angus (R)

Mid

Rodan, David
Howat, Cameron (R)
Hartigan, Brent
Foley, Nathan
Roach, Thomas
Raines, Andrew
Jackson, Daniel
Meyer, Danny
Polo, Dean
Tambling, Richard
White, Matthew
Deledio, Brett
Casserley, Travis
Oakley-Nicholls

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[Darth_Tiger]

you always need more midfielders than talls.

 

[Philhawk]

you always need more midfielders than talls.

I remember something I think John Kennedy said while he was coaching the Hawks,

"At 3/4 time, the smalls get slower, but the talls don't get any smaller!"

I'm not sure what you can take from that, but I think having an abundance of talls is better than an abundance of smalls.

 

[Bentleigh]

you always need more midfielders than talls.

Correct.. but have a look at those talls:

Schultz, Pattison and Hughes look good prospects. It falls away after that.

* Moore is 22/23 and has done nothing.

* I like Thusty but he is comming back from a bad injury.

* Limbach is the only player on the list (or there abouts) to not crack a senior game.

* McGuane is crap.

* Graham is a rookie.

 

[Bentleigh]

I remember something I think John Kennedy said while he was coaching the Hawks,

"At 3/4 time, the smalls get slower, but the talls don't get any smaller!"

I'm not sure what you can take from that, but I think having an abundance of talls is better than an abundance of smalls.

Ah crap, she found the RFC forum

 

[CoggaRules]

I remember something I think John Kennedy said while he was coaching the Hawks,

"At 3/4 time, the smalls get slower, but the talls don't get any smaller!"

I'm not sure what you can take from that, but I think having an abundance of talls is better than an abundance of smalls.

yeah, but that was when dinosaurs ruled the earth.
Earth to phildawk, we are in the year 2006, did John suggest to the team at 3/4 time then, ok guys, we need "tempo" football?
Keep dreaming.

 

[tomthetiger]

You dont need as many KPP as midfielders

 

[CoggaRules]

You dont need as many KPP as midfielders

you need a guy that kicks straight at one end, another that stops goals down the other, a big guy in the middle to contest and the rest is made up of fast, small to medium runners, with stamina & skill.

 

[tomthetiger]

Yup.

 

[Philhawk]

yeah, but that was when dinosaurs ruled the earth.
Earth to phildawk, we are in the year 2006, did John suggest to the team at 3/4 time then, ok guys, we need "tempo" football?
Keep dreaming.

Haha fair point. Wonder what the great man would have thought about "tempo football" .

 

[CoggaRules]

Haha fair point. Wonder what the great man would have thought about "tempo football" .

He would have suggested to his team, hit them with "thumpo football".

 

[Richo83]

Correct.. but have a look at those talls:

Schultz, Pattison and Hughes look good prospects. It falls away after that.

* Moore is 22/23 and has done nothing.

* I like Thusty but he is comming back from a bad injury.

* Limbach is the only player on the list (or there abouts) to not crack a senior game.

* McGuane is crap.

* Graham is a rookie.

Which is what I was saying, but you called me a fool, even though I make the same point as you.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

* I like Thusty but he is comming back from a bad injury.

* Limbach is the only player on the list (or there abouts) to not crack a senior game.

* McGuane is crap.

* Graham is a rookie.

* Is a good player. Remember how good he was last year
* Doesnt seem to be a KPP, even though he plays up forward.
* Has played once at AFL Level. You do not ever watch Coburg so to make that assumption makes you an ass.
* So what?

 

[The White Tiger]

And 2-3 years after that draft everyone was bitching and moaning about how poorly we did. Just goes to show that 5-6 years gives a better indication of how well you've done.

The 5 still on our list have played a combined 390 games for us.

Who's responsible for picking Fiora instead of Pavlich in 1999, costly mistake.

 

[Bentleigh]

* Is a good player. Remember how good he was last year

Was a decent prospect.

Players struggle to come back to 100% when they have serious knee/leg injuries.

* Doesnt seem to be a KPP, even though he plays up forward.

Seems a 3rd forward to me.

* Has played once at AFL Level. You do not ever watch Coburg so to make that assumption makes you an ass.

Should have never been drafted.

Didn't rate him pre-draft.

* So what?

So if he was passed over 120 odd times by AFL clubs then he may not make it, eh?

Who's responsible for picking Fiora instead of Pavlich in 1999, costly mistake.

We wouldn't have Deledio & Tambling if we drafted Pavlich.

Alot of what ifs.

 

[Bentleigh]

Round 15 - update:

2006 AFL Ladder
Pos Team Pts G W L D %
1 Adelaide 52 15 13 2 0 168.88
2 West Coast 48 15 12 3 0 114.18
3 Melbourne 44 15 11 4 0 116.59
4 Western Bulldogs 40 15 10 5 0 114.34
5 St Kilda 36 15 9 6 0 115.93
6 Collingwood 36 15 9 6 0 114.31
7 Sydney 32 15 8 7 0 116.11
8 Fremantle 32 15 8 7 0 91.32

9 Richmond 32 15 8 7 0 86.49
10 Geelong 28 15 7 8 0 103.65
11 Brisbane 24 15 6 9 0 93.12
12 Port Adelaide 24 15 6 9 0 90.95
13 Kangaroos 20 15 5 10 0 84.89
14 Hawthorn 20 15 5 10 0 79.02
15 Carlton 8 15 2 13 0 74.20
16 Essendon 4 15 1 14 0 76.02

ATM: Pick 8

 

[jezza]

Should have never been drafted.

Didn't rate him pre-draft.

I think you're being far too harsh on McGuane. Remember that he missed the bulk of his first year with a badly broken arm. This year he has moved into defence and really come on as a player and has some big scalps to his name. Still not ready for AFL yet, but has shown a lot of improvement and if he keeps going should be a handy player.