Riot accused cries in court

[section8]

Now UNIT has been found out previously for not letting facts get in the way of a good story. But he has been kidding us all along that he is Anglo Australian. Now the guy is not so stupid to know that the prefix Anglo indicates a relationship to England. He did not clarify whether his parents were from Northern Ireland or the Republic but in either case he aint Anglo. Furthermore, he is no more “Australian” than an Australian with Lebanese parents!

Being reduced to petty point scoring over someone referring to themself as anglo instead of anglo-celtic or celtic is tragic, especially when anyone here that looks "white" is generally considered anglo-saxon or anglo-celtic. Nothing terms anyway really as they were all formed by different tribes within the same race of people - caucasians. Splitting it into subgroups racially is redundant. Better to say "my ancestors were from Ireland, England, Scotland etc " IMO.

 

[section8]

yeah lets start a civil war, thatll help matters. itll just snowball from there. is it "us" against lebanese thugs or "us" vs all lebanese? if its the former, then it wont be long till the later kicks in....then another ethnic group will be targeted, and another one...

you've been using ANZACs a lot. Id like to hear from ANZAC heros, or anyone whos fought for this country. Id like to hear their opinions and see whether they agree with your thoughts. I know someone who was in vietnam and was truly disgusted by the acts of morons from both sides (not just lebanese).

They'd say, "why the ******** are people receiving special treatment based on their race, culture or religion? We fought to keep Australia united, not smash itself into a thousand pieces based on the minor differences between us. Those differences shouldn't mean sh1t once you're here. Once you're here, expect the same treatment as everyone else. You're AUSTRALIANS and uphold the values we fought for, one of which wasn't tolerance in the name of preserving culture of origin by ensuring people don't have to integrate if they don't want to."

 

[demon_dave]

Remarkable comments from many in this thread. Where are all those advocates for innocent until proven guilty.

you serious, did you not see the picture, anyway this is the best story I've read on this site for a long time, bleedin' hilarious, what a nancy boy

 

[PA HOG]

Wouldn't that than give him more right to criticise? Along the lines of "if it was good enough for me/my parents to assimilate why is it not good enough for them"?

Can't follow your logic. I did nothing more than state that an Australian having immigrant parents from country ‘A’ is no more/less “Australian” than an Australian having immigrant parents from country ‘B’. Do you disagree?

 

[Monkster]

Can't follow your logic. I did nothing more than state that an Australian having immigrant parents from country ‘A’ is no more/less “Australian” than an Australian having immigrant parents from country ‘B’. Do you disagree?

I agree, that wasn't my point though, my point was does an Australian having immigrant parents from country 'A' , who has assimilated, have the right to criticise an Australian with immigrant parents from country 'B', for not assimilating.

 

[- PC -]

Deadset alarmist hey? You are aware the example i cited, 'of a carload of Lebs' pulling up and bailing up a bloke and the girls he was walking home and threatening to 'rape you Aussie slxxx'...is not some alarmist fantasy but a sad reality. That happened on night one of the "Lions of Lebanon's" rampage, and that man ended up with a knife in him. And to the best of my knowledge the human filth (probably some mate of Bilal Skaf no doubt) that were responsible for that outrage havent been arrested.

Just some clarification. The man who got stabbed was with the girl? He was stabbed and she WASNT raped? Was stabbing the guy enough of a homo-erotic penile pentration ritual that they felt relieved?

Oh and can you clarify that you know for sure they were mates of Skaf...or is this guilt by a tenous association?

 

[- PC -]

I agree, that wasn't my point though, my point was does an Australian having immigrant parents from country 'A' , who has assimilated, have the right to criticise an Australian with immigrant parents from country 'B', for not assimilating.

Possibly if they were both of the same heritage eg '' I am a Lebanese and these thugs are brought up wrong , my family showed me they way '' etc

 

[PA HOG]

I agree, that wasn't my point though, my point was does an Australian having immigrant parents from country 'A' , who has assimilated, have the right to criticise an Australian with immigrant parents from country 'B', for not assimilating.

Of course I agree with your assimilation thing. Boy, that was out of left field; how did that become the subject.

I haven't the foggiest how well or badly UNIT's parents assimilated, I suspect (and hope) rather well. Maybe your introducing assimilation infers that you are aware of their successful assimilation. One thing is for sure, the recent histories of Ireland and Lebanon are pretty grim and intolerance is a feature of both. The families that have chosen to escape that to provide better opportunities for their children deserve our encouragement.

 

[Moo]

Fine, there the minority. Is that what you wanted me to say?

Minority, majority, whatever.....we should crush them, using whatever means nessecary. If the police cant or wont, then the community will have to.

Again the we, vigilante Unit.

Unit the more you type the more I am convinced that you would wee your pants at the sign of anyone that actually went boo to you. You never back anything up, I'm leaving and then you stay ...I'm not a racist, then self admit you are.

You are the problem Unit, a tiresome, boring repeat message of hate.

Your on a warning, bring on the suspension I say.

Being reduced to petty point scoring over someone referring to themself as anglo instead of anglo-celtic or celtic is tragic, especially when anyone here that looks "white" is generally considered anglo-saxon or anglo-celtic. Nothing terms anyway really as they were all formed by different tribes within the same race of people - caucasians. Splitting it into subgroups racially is redundant. Better to say "my ancestors were from Ireland, England, Scotland etc " IMO.

Ho ho ho ...This is a classic ...point scoring from a man who argues technicalities whenever he is losing a debate against anyone ...the thats not racism its biggotry school of the techincal/point scoring defence. subgroups are redundant because I said so .....mmmmm thanks Prof.

Technicalities only work when there being used for evil instead of good hey S8...hypocritical readings are going off the scale....danger Will Robinson.

For the record ...Praise Allah, Jehova and Budah that you both go for West Coast.

For the record I'm 5th generation - which gives me as much right as anyone who has a piece of paper that says Austalian Citizen.

 

[UNIT]

I agree, that wasn't my point though, my point was does an Australian having immigrant parents from country 'A' , who has assimilated, have the right to criticise an Australian with immigrant parents from country 'B', for not assimilating.

Id suggest they have more right.

 

[UNIT]

Again the we, vigilante Unit.

Unit the more you type the more I am convinced that you would wee your pants at the sign of anyone that actually went boo to you. You never back anything up, I'm leaving and then you stay ...I'm not a racist, then self admit you are.

You are the problem Unit, a tiresome, boring repeat message of hate.

Your on a warning, bring on the suspension I say.




Ho ho ho ...This is a classic ...point scoring from a man who argues technicalities whenever he is losing a debate against anyone ...the thats not racism its biggotry school of the techincal/point scoring defence. subgroups are redundant because I said so .....mmmmm thanks Prof.

Technicalities only work when there being used for evil instead of good hey S8...hypocritical readings are going off the scale....danger Will Robinson.

For the record ...Praise Allah, Jehova and Budah that you both go for West Coast.

For the record I'm 5th generation - which gives me as much right as anyone who has a piece of paper that says Austalian Citizen.

Believe what you want mate. I know the truth. There is at least one person on this website who knows me in real life, and knows i walk it as well as talk it.

 

[Moo]

They'd say, "why the ******** are people receiving special treatment based on their race, culture or religion? We fought to keep Australia united, not smash itself into a thousand pieces based on the minor differences between us. Those differences shouldn't mean sh1t once you're here. Once you're here, expect the same treatment as everyone else. You're AUSTRALIANS and uphold the values we fought for, one of which wasn't tolerance in the name of preserving culture of origin by ensuring people don't have to integrate if they don't want to."

Which campaign were you in S8?
(Cronulla not being a campaign).

 

[Moo]

Believe what you want mate. I know the truth. There is at least one person on this website who knows me in real life, and knows i walk it as well as talk it.

I hope you walk better than you talk.

 

[mantis]

I agree, that wasn't my point though, my point was does an Australian having immigrant parents from country 'A' , who has assimilated, have the right to criticise an Australian with immigrant parents from country 'B', for not assimilating.

Sorry but that's a silly comparison. You are comparing a white person who speaks the same language, cuisine & similar customs to the people of the country they have migrated to, against someone from a totally different language, cuisine & customs. Gee I wonder which ones are going to find it easier to assimilate?

 

[UNIT]

Sorry but that's a silly comparison. You are comparing a white person who speaks the same language, cuisine & similar customs to the people of the country they have migrated to, against someone from a totally different language, cuisine & customs. Gee I wonder which ones are going to find it easier to assimilate?

So your effectively going to give the Australian born and raised children of Lebanese migrants a pass then?

 

[Mr Magoo]

You are a deadset alarmist. How many rapes occur in Australia a year? How many are done by Lebanese gangs? if you are going to use violence against women as your argument, please understand that the vast majority of rapes are not gang related and are usually from either a relative or friend.

So are we going to hunt down all family and friends become some of them rape?

BTW when are you moving to Sydney to join the crusade to oust the Muslims from your ANZAC Jerusalem?

You extreme hatred is fuelled by your obvious remoteness and complete lack of life experience.

For Gods sake UNIT get out of that backblock and do something with yourself. For a 23 y.o. to be so ignorant of the world is really quite extraordinary.

Not wanting to take anybody's side here but you might want to check this article out .....

Western Muslims' Racist Rape Spree
By Sharon Lapkin
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 27, 2005

In Australia, Norway, Sweden and other Western nations, there is a distinct race-based crime in motion being ignored by the diversity police: Islamic men are raping Western women for ethnic reasons. We know this because the rapists have openly declared their sectarian motivations.

When a number of teenage Australian girls were subjected to hours of sexual degradation during a spate of gang rapes in Sydney that occurred between 1998 and 2002, the perpetrators of these assaults framed their rationale in ethnic terms. The young victims were informed that they were “********s” and “Aussie pigs” while they were being hunted down and abused.

In Australia's New South Wales Supreme Court in December 2005, a visiting Pakistani rapist testified that his victims had no right to say no, because they were not wearing a headscarf.

And earlier this year Australians were outraged when Lebanese Sheik Faiz Mohammed gave a lecture in Sydney where he informed his audience that rape victims had no one to blame but themselves. Women, he said, who wore skimpy clothing, invited men to rape them.

A few months earlier, in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped.

And with haunting synchronicity in 2004, the London Telegraph reported that visiting Egyptian scholar Sheik Yusaf al-Qaradawi claimed female rape victims should be punished if they were dressed immodestly when they were raped. He added, “For her to be absolved from guilt, a raped woman must have shown good conduct.”

In Norway and Sweden, journalist Fjordman warns of a rape epidemic. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen stated that the steady increase of rape-cases and the link to ethnicity are clear, unmistakable trends. Two out of three persecutions for rape in Oslo are immigrants with a non-Western background and 80 percent of the victims are Norwegian women.

In Sweden, according to translator for Jihad Watch, Ali Dashti, “Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace.” A few weeks ago she said, “Five Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.”

In France, Samira Bellil broke her silence – after enduring years of repeated gang rapes in one of the Muslim populated public housing projects – and wrote a book, In the hell of the tournantes, that shocked France. Describing how gang rape is rampant in the banlieues, she explained to Time that, “any neighborhood girl who smokes, uses makeup or wears attractive clothes is a ****.”

Unfortunately, Western women are not the only victims in this epidemic. In Indonesia, in 1998, human rights groups documented the testimony of over 100 Chinese women who were gang raped during the riots that preceded the fall of President Suharto. Many of them were told: “You must be raped, because you are Chinese and non-Muslim.”

Christian Solidarity Worldwide reported that in April 2005, a 9-year-old Pakistani girl was raped, beaten with a cricket bat, hanged upside down from the ceiling, had spoonfuls of chillies poured into her mouth, and repeatedly bashed while handcuffed. Her Muslim neighbours told her they were taking revenge for the American bombing of Iraqi children and informed her they were doing it because she was an “infidel and a Christian.”

In Sudan – where Arab Muslims slaughter black Muslim and Christian Sudanese in an ongoing genocide – former Sudanese slave and now a human rights’ activist Simon Deng says he witnessed girls and women being raped and that the Arab regime of Khartoum sends its soldiers to the field to rape and murder. In other reports, women who are captured by government forces are asked; “Are you Christian or Muslim?” and those who answer Christian, are gang raped before having their breasts cut off.

This phenomenon of Islamic sexual violence against women should be treated as the urgent, violent, repressive epidemic it is. Instead, journalists, academics, and politicians ignorr it, rationalize it, or ostracize those who dare discuss it.

In Australia, when journalist Paul Sheehan reported honestly on the Sydney gang rapes, he was called a racist and accused of stirring up anti-Muslim hatred. And when he reported in his Sydney Morning Herald column that there was a high incidence of crime amongst Sydney’s Lebanese community, fellow journalist, David Marr sent him an e-mail stating, “That is a disgraceful column that reflects poorly on us all at the Herald.”

Keysar Trad, vice-president of the Australian Lebanese Muslim Association said the gang rapes were a “heinous” crime but complained it was “rather unfair” that the ethnicity of the rapists had been reported.

Journalist Miranda Devine reported during the same rape trials that all reference to ethnicity had been deleted from the victim impact statement because the prosecutors wanted to negotiate a plea bargain.

So when Judge Megan Latham declared, “There is no evidence before me of any racial element in the commission of these offences,” everyone believed her. And the court, the politicians and most of the press may as well have raped the girls again.

Retired Australian detective Tim Priest warned in 2004 that the Lebanese gangs, which emerged in Sydney in the 1990s – when the police were asleep – had morphed out of control. “The Lebanese groups,” he said, “ were ruthless, extremely violent, and they intimidated not only innocent witnesses, but even the police that attempted to arrest them.”

Priest describes how in 2001, in a Muslim dominated area of Sydney two policemen stopped a car containing three well-known Middle Eastern men to search for stolen property. As the police carried out their search they were physically threatened and the three men claimed they were going to track them down, kill them and then rape their girlfriends.

According to Priest, it didn’t end there. As the Sydney police called for backup the three men used their mobile phones to call their associates, and within minutes, 20 Middle Eastern men arrived on the scene. They punched and pushed the police and damaged state vehicles. The police retreated and the gang followed them to the police station where they intimidated staff, damaged property and held the police station hostage.

Eventually the gang left, the police licked their wounds, and not one of them took action against the Middle Eastern men. Priest claims, “In the minds of the local population, the police are cowards and the message was, 'Lebanese [Muslim gangs] rule the streets.'”

In France, in the banlieues, where gang rape is now known simply as tournantes or ‘pass-around,’ victims know the police will not protect them. If they complain, Samir Bellil said, they know that they and their families will be threatened.

However, Muslim women in the French ghettos are finally fighting back against gang rape and police non-action. They have begun a movement called, “We’re neither whores nor doormats.” They are struggling against the intrinsic violence that plagues their neighbourhoods and the culture that condones it.

In most French prosecutions, the Muslim rapists state that they do not believe they have committed a crime. And in a frightening parallel with the gang rapists in Australia, they claim the victim herself is to blame and accuse her of being a “********” or a “whore.”

According to The Guardian, during the recent French riots, a Saudi Prince with shares in News Corporation boasted to a conference in Dubai that he had phoned Rupert Murdoch and complained about Fox News describing the disturbances as “Muslim riots.” Within half an hour he said, it was changed to “civil riots.”

Swedish translator, Ali Dashti, stated that in Sweden when three men raped a 22-year-old woman recently, they said one word to her. “Whore.” Such stories, according to Dashti, are in the Swedish newspapers every week. And, the politically correct “take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators.”

Sweden’s English newspaper The Local reported in July that Malmo police commander Bengt Lindström had been charged with inciting racial hatred. He sent e-mails from his home computer to two city officials. To the head of healthcare, he wrote: “You...treat old Swedes who have worked hard building up the fatherland like parasites and would rather give my taxes to criminals called Mohammed from Rosengärd.”

In Malmo, the third largest city in Sweden, the police have admitted, Dashti says, that they no longer control the city. “It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants.” Ambulance personnel are regularly attacked and spat upon and are now refusing to help until a police escort arrives. The police are too afraid to enter parts of the city without backup.

In early 2005, Norwegian newspapers reported that Oslo had recorded the highest ever number of rape cases in the previous twelve months. However, Fjordman explained, the official statistics contained no data regarding “how immigrants were grossly over represented in rape cases”, and the media remain so strangely silent.

Oslo Professor of Anthropology, Unni Wikan, said Norwegian women must take responsibility for the fact that Muslim men find their manner of dress provocative. And since these men believe women are responsible for rape, she stated, the women must adapt to the multicultural society around them.

The BBC pulled a documentary scheduled for screening in 2004, after police in Britain warned it could increase racial tension. “In these exceptional circumstances... Channel 4 as a responsible broadcaster has agreed to the police’s request...” The documentary was to show how Pakistani and other Muslim men sexually abused young, white English girls as young as 11.

The number of rapes committed by Muslim men against women in the last decade is so incredibly high that it cannot be viewed as anything other than culturally implicit behaviour. It is overtly reinforced and sanctioned by Islamic religious leaders who blame the victims and excuse the rapists.

In three decades of immigration into Western countries, Islam has caused social upheaval and havoc in every one of its host countries. No other immigration program has encountered the problems of non-assimilation and religious ambiguity.

Everywhere in the world, Muslims are in conflict with their neighbours. And as Mark Steyn recently said, every conflict appears to have originated by someone with the name of Mohammed.

In July 2005, Melbourne Sheik Mohammad Omran told Sixty Minutes that “...we believe we have more rights than you because we choose Australia to be our home and you didn’t. “

In the same interview visiting Sheik Khalid Yasin warned “There’s no such thing as a Muslim having a non-Muslim friend, so a non-Muslim could be your associate but they can't be a friend. They're not your friend because they don't understand your religious principles and they cannot because they don't understand your faith.”

Despite being told over and over by Islamic scholars, and witnessing massive influxes of Islamic crime, Western countries continue to believe in the reality of assimilation and moral relativism.

In Australia, Lebanese Christians have assimilated and become a respected part of our community. The Premier of Victoria is a Lebanese Christian as is the Governor Of New South Wales. However, Lebanese Muslims have encountered serious problems because of their refusal to accept our right to live our way of life. Nothing so clearly demonstrates that it is not an issue of race — but of culture.

Sharon Lapkin is a former Australian Army Officer and a postgraduate student at the University of Melbourne.

 

[UNIT]

I hope you walk better than you talk.

I talk better than you pal.

I love it when people try and say im stupid. Love my opinions or hate them, you cant say i dont articulate them with some degree of style, panache and sophisticated articulation.

 

[UNIT]

Not wanting to take anybody's side here but you might want to check this article out .....

Western Muslims' Racist Rape Spree
By Sharon Lapkin
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 27, 2005

Ooooh oooooh racist. Ban him from the board hey Moo?

 

[Monkster]

Sorry but that's a silly comparison. You are comparing a white person who speaks the same language, cuisine & similar customs to the people of the country they have migrated to, against someone from a totally different language, cuisine & customs. Gee I wonder which ones are going to find it easier to assimilate?

I would have thought everyone born here would have spoken English to be honest with you.

Not to mention that there are parts of Ireland that still speak Gaeilge, and that is Irelands first official language (English is the second official language),we should also mention Gaelic (still spoken in Scotland), Welsh (still spoken in Wales) and Cornish.

Are we still thinking it's easy to assimilate?

 

[PA HOG]

Being reduced to petty point scoring over someone referring to themself as anglo instead of anglo-celtic or celtic is tragic, especially when anyone here that looks "white" is generally considered anglo-saxon or anglo-celtic. Nothing terms anyway really as they were all formed by different tribes within the same race of people - caucasians. Splitting it into subgroups racially is redundant. Better to say "my ancestors were from Ireland, England, Scotland etc " IMO.

Section8 I’m sorry you found my post “petty point scoring” and “tragic” but that’s your right. It was his usage frequency which made me draw attention to the matter; methinks thou protesteth too much comes to mind. I’m sure it will come as a surprise to many who visit this forum that he is a non Anglo, despite the novel meaning you attributed to the word. (it will be a shock to many in the Republic to be associated with the term Anglo too!) And just as staggering for many will be the revelation that he is a first generation Aussie. It is not a little incongruous that a person whose parents migrated such a short time ago can give the impression of being from a long established Oz family with his bizarre references to our heritage, our traditions our Anzacs and Gallipoli. I think a first generation Lebanese Australian would sound a little premature using similar language.

 

[Monkster]

I think a first generation Lebanese Australian would sound a little premature using similar language.

Or they'd sound like they'd adopted the country as their own

 

[mantis]

I would have thought everyone born here would have spoken English to be honest with you.

Not to mention that there are parts of Ireland that still speak Gaeilge, and that is Irelands first official language (English is the second official language),we should also mention Gaelic (still spoken in Scotland), Welsh (still spoken in Wales) and Cornish.

Are we still thinking it's easy to assimilate?

But rhe parents probably didn't speak very good english when they first moved here, they kids would have known their parents language first, plus don't forget that a lot the white australians also are of irish heritage, as I said it is a silly comparison.

Would you find it easier being born into a family with irish parents, or lebanese, vietnamese etc?

 

[UNIT]

Section8 I’m sorry you found my post “petty point scoring” and “tragic” but that’s your right. It was his usage frequency which made me draw attention to the matter; methinks thou protesteth too much comes to mind. I’m sure it will come as a surprise to many who visit this forum that he is a non Anglo, despite the novel meaning you attributed to the word. (it will be a shock to many in the Republic to be associated with the term Anglo too!) And just as staggering for many will be the revelation that he is a first generation Aussie. It is not a little incongruous that a person whose parents migrated such a short time ago can give the impression of being from a long established Oz family with his bizarre references to our heritage, our traditions our Anzacs and Gallipoli. I think a first generation Lebanese Australian would sound a little premature using similar language.

I was born here pal. And unlike these 'Lions of Lebanon' pigs, i love my country, identify with its history, respect its values, respect its traditions and identify myself as Australian. Therefore why cant i identify with the legend of ANZAC? Why cant i be proud of the sacrifices men made in Gallipoli without some piece of trash telling me i cant because my parents are Irish? Half the blokes that died in Gallipoli were 1st or 2nd generation, having parents or Grandparents from Ireland/England/Scotland/Wales.

Im as Aussie and as allowed to feel proud of my nations history as anyone.

And the children of people from Ireland arent Anglos? Have you ever heard of the expression Anglo Celtic? Moron.

For the 1500th time im happy to have anyone here, of any religon, of any skin colour, of any nationality. It truly is whats in a persons heart that is the measure of the man. We all know the values we expect from Australians. These 'Lions of Lebanon' just dont have them, they wouldnt know what it meant to be an Australian if they tried, and as such they have no place in Australia, and saying as much doesnt make me a racist.

 

[Moo]

Ooooh oooooh racist. Ban him from the board hey Moo?

Why? He has raised a point backed with information and is not suggesting that we mount the barricades and start sacrificing non-christians before its too late (though front page might).

Mr Magoo, interesting read - from what I understand rape is normally about power not sex. Whilst I acknowledge some would be driven by race, I am doubtful whether these are anywhere near a percentage point of the total number. Mags like Frontpage are extremist right and like, extremist left mags find info to suit there agenda.

Front page is an interesting publication ....adds for conservative T-shirts include - http://www.thoseshirts.com/

my fav "Peace - through superior firepower" and "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - should be a convenience store not a Govt agency" or "I just Neutered the Cat - Now He's French".

Another quote from an article When apologists for illegal immigration (who have taken a vow of stupidity) say those they euphemistically call “undocumented workers” are doing the jobs Americans don’t want, does that include kidnapping and rape? ...love that neutral tone from paragraph one

My personal favourite about Horowitz (king pin of the mag) is this

In response to those advocating reparations for black slavery, he distributed an essay titled "Why reparations for slavery are a bad idea, and racist too"[1] to more than 50 college and university student newspapers. In the essay, Horowitz argued that present day black Americans had actually benefitted from slavery saying, "The claim for reparations is premised on the false assumption that only whites have benefited from slavery. If slave labor created wealth for Americans, then obviously it has created wealth for black Americans as well, including the descendants of slaves.... from Wikpedia

Damn ungrateful former slaves. Unit - job open for a sub-editor - get in fast. Sorry if I dont take them seriously, now excuse me I must go polish my gun.

 

[PA HOG]

Or they'd sound like they'd adopted the country as their own

Argued with your shadow lately mate?