Opinion Rob Chapman

[CutAboveTheRest]

and so continues the choir boy mentally....

 

[amer]

Point out which of my statements is not a fact.

Forgot to add Dank was interviewed & admitted to using TB-4, then tried to retract after when the reporter told him it was banned.

You're the one making very particular accusations on a number of fronts. Back each up.

 

[weekend at bernies]

just aslong as it does not come out that we sacrificied draft picks so Trigg can keep his job.

 

[Mike Smyth]

You could, you know, not whinge and stuff..

I hear what you're saying. I'm finding it hard though to just accept mediocrity like the zombie like masses.

You either keep whingeing or loss interest, they seem to be the only 2 options.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Stop whinging? Reckon that might do it.

Is this you talking now or are you channelling your "bestie" Triggy again? I get confused.

 

[1970crow]

We also know essendon did not cooperate in the negotiation phase yet Fitzpatrick said they did. AFL tell stories.

well, they're not alone there though are they. we'd been told for 2 years that the clause didn't exist. and before we get into the "don't you understand that he thought he'd cancelled it discussion", saying that it didn't exist is a bit mischievous itself. if he had fessed up from the beginning that the deal had existed but he had nullified it, then our penalties may have been significantly less. maybe it's as simple as the afl didn't believe his bullshit story about cancelling that part of the agreement.

plus plenty of other furphy's along the way.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You're the one making very particular accusations on a number of fronts. Back each up.

The evidence has been provided in the reports / interviews.

You tell me where I'm wrong, as apparently you are of higher intellect & know better than those involved...

 

[fabs33]

Is the part in red the difference of opinion between Vlad and Chapman?

Doubtful since neither Chapman or Demetriou intimated as such. It's my opinion that Essendon's penalties were designed to hurt the club without doing the same to their team, so that in the future the league does not suffer in terms of revenue lost, after all Essendon is one of the higher drawing Victorian clubs. I think it far more likely that Demetriou was trying to justify the penalties handed down without letting on to the truth so he plucked out of his arse the first thing that came to mind, you will note the proximity of the two, and in the end was caught out.

 

[Cleric]

just aslong as it does not come out that we sacrificied draft picks so Trigg can keep his job.

That is the talk. I see Rowie asked Chapman that question and Chapman just ignored it and didnt answer it. Rowie then thought better than to reask the question.

 

[weekend at bernies]

That is the talk. I see Rowie asked Chapman that question and Chapman just ignored it and didnt answer it. Rowie then thought better than to reask the question.

well maybe he should of.. keep asking the bloody question until the truth comes out!!

 

[jenny61_99]

That is the talk. I see Rowie asked Chapman that question and Chapman just ignored it and didnt answer it. Rowie then thought better than to reask the question.

Chapman answered it. He said ALL of the sanctions were negotiated down - 50% less than the starting point. Fair to assume then that there were additional years of draft picks reduced with negotiation, not added.

 

[headache1]

Chapman answered it. He said ALL of the sanctions were negotiated down - 50% less than the starting point. Fair to assume then that there were additional years of draft picks reduced with negotiation, not added.

I find this incredibly hard to believe. There is no way the AFL were going to whack us with 4 years of draft penalties for our breaches, especially considering the penalties Essendon have just received.

 

[Cap]

Chapman answered it. He said ALL of the sanctions were negotiated down - 50% less than the starting point. Fair to assume then that there were additional years of draft picks reduced with negotiation, not added.

that was very surprising to hear - but long over due.

what the Crows did (from what we know), and the way the AFL has treated doesn't compute for me.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Chapman answered it. He said ALL of the sanctions were negotiated down - 50% less than the starting point. Fair to assume then that there were additional years of draft picks reduced with negotiation, not added.

I think the question is more: had Trigg's head rolled, could we have suffered even less draft sanctions?

I.e. rather than getting everything down 50%, maybe we could have stayed at 100% in some respects which might be seen as less harmful to the club (i.e. sacking the CEO) and gone down to 20% in respects which might be seen as more harmful to the club (i.e. losing draft picks).

I'm not proffering an answer to the question as I clearly don't know, all I am saying is that Chapman didn't really answer it either.

 

[Cap]

I find this incredibly hard to believe. There is no way the AFL were going to whack us with 4 years of draft penalties for our breaches, especially considering the penalties Essendon have just received.

I'm not sure, either the AFL rated what we did worse, or they realise the Crows don't really fight that hard so it would be easy to make a statement.

 

[cmndstab]

I have no reason to disbelieve Chapman, but if the AFL seriously came up to us and said "okay, we think you deserve a million dollar fine, your CEO and footy ops manager to be sacked, and four years worth of draft sanctions", we shouldn't have negotiated with them. We should have laughed in their face and told them to wait to hear from our lawyers. That is the most absurd punishment I've ever heard of.

When Chapman says we negotiated to less than half the initial penalties and yet he still thinks we were dealt with extremely harshly, it says alot.

Unfortunately I think this is all we'll hear from the club on this matter. I just hope we're causing a hell of a stink behind closed doors - but I doubt it.

 

[Cap]

I honestly don't think the penalties were linked at all.

 

[headache1]

I don't believe it for a second. Chapman isn't an idiot, and this is the perfect way of telling the supporters they fought tooth and nail for the club whilst having to do absolutely nothing to prove it. Sorry, but I'm not just going to take his word for it.

 

[Elder van Berlo]

Unfortunately I think this is all we'll hear from the club on this matter. I just hope we're causing a hell of a stink behind closed doors - but I doubt it.

I tend to agree with this, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell Chapman was working on at 11pm on Tuesday night...

 

[fabs33]

I tend to agree with this, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell Chapman was working on at 11pm on Tuesday night...

His strategy for placating AFC members and supporters perhaps?

 

[Jars458]

Chapman answered it. He said ALL of the sanctions were negotiated down - 50% less than the starting point. Fair to assume then that there were additional years of draft picks reduced with negotiation, not added.

That's a disgrace if true. The AFL are clearly biased and we could have and should have taken them to court.

 

[rayven]

I have no reason to disbelieve Chapman, but if the AFL seriously came up to us and said "okay, we think you deserve a million dollar fine, your CEO and footy ops manager to be sacked, and four years worth of draft sanctions", we shouldn't have negotiated with them. We should have laughed in their face and told them to wait to hear from our lawyers. That is the most absurd punishment I've ever heard of.

When Chapman says we negotiated to less than half the initial penalties and yet he still thinks we were dealt with extremely harshly, it says alot.

Unfortunately I think this is all we'll hear from the club on this matter. I just hope we're causing a hell of a stink behind closed doors - but I doubt it.

When you sell a car, you expect a potential buyer to haggle, so you add a bit on to what your asking...let him think he's haggling you down.

 

[cmndstab]

I tend to agree with this, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell Chapman was working on at 11pm on Tuesday night...

Presumably, something that will occur behind closed doors rather than playing out in any public forum.

 

[headache1]

I tend to agree with this, which makes me wonder exactly what the hell Chapman was working on at 11pm on Tuesday night...

Probably photoshopping his head into pictures with Andy D.

 

[cmndstab]

When you sell a car, you expect a potential buyer to haggle, so you add a bit on to what your asking...let him think he's haggling you down.

Yeah, but I'm not going to get a potential buyer to look at my Camry and then say "Okay, so I think 400 grand is about right, what do you reckon?"