Rookie Draft.

[drakeyv2]

Dress it up how you like, but to me 187 is an in between height. It doesn't mean you can't play as a tall forward, but it is still an in between height. 192 is a perfectly acceptable standard height for a key forward or even a 3rd tall. If there are other issues which affect performance in those positions (speed, strength, marking ability, ground skills) ... well that's another discussion isn't it?

Agreed. To succeed as a marking target at that height he is going to have to have a bit of class about him.

 

[Mego Red]

what I think is more relevant is what I will now rename the Diaw effect.

Which I hope has something to do with the Nash Principle.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Dress it up how you like, but to me 187 is an in between height. It doesn't mean you can't play as a tall forward, but it is still an in between height. 192 is a perfectly acceptable standard height for a key forward or even a 3rd tall. If there are other issues which affect performance in those positions (speed, strength, marking ability, ground skills) ... well that's another discussion isn't it?

no need to dress up the fact, that you were wrong; no matter how you want to twist in the wind

 

[Crow-mosone]

Which I hope has something to do with the Nash Principle.

only partially; falling as point forward, and then succeeding as a centre to average a triple double per 48 is quite staggering.

it suggest thats the former situation is more responsible for the disparity than the current one. window dressing in a good situation can make up that sort of improvement. it must be as a result of being misused originally.

 

[cro_Magnum]

I think you're right in that ability can overcome size issues, but it requires a lot of ability.

what I think is more relevant is what I will now rename the Diaw effect.
I.e. how a players worth is directly related to the way in which is is used. Use him differently and the value proposition could be completely different, and your own prospects along the way.

Consider:
- Mark Stevens was a failed FF for North, until he found his feet at CHB.
- Ben Rutten was sniffing the unemployment list as a forward, but when used at FB...
- Tyson Stenglein was playing FB in the WAFL
- Kane Johnson was u/18 AA CHB
- Kenny Mac was heading nowhere in the forward fifty, found his feet, and is back there.
- Simon Goodwin was a vanilla HBF.

I just think the way you use a player, has as much effect on their worth as anything. But that you should also be careful to not try and see things that aren't there. ala Trent Ormond Allen, who should have been hunting on polo ponies with a name like that, not rucking for us!!

Exactly right. There are numerous other examples

Nathan Bassett - average FB, great HBF
Nathan Bock - useless forward, rebounding CHB
Ben Hart- useless forward, fabulous defender
Brett Burton - no idea but he must have an ideal position somewhere

and these are in just 1 team

Every team has duds, but how many "duds" have been culled because they were never tried in the right position over the years. Rutten & Bock came close and i suspect many others weren't quite so lucky. It all comes back to the coach and how he sees it.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

no need to dress up the fact, that you were wrong; no matter how you want to twist in the wind

Twisting in the wind? I'm not sure I see how. But if you think 187cm is not an in between height that's all that matters - it's all about opinion.

 

[Crow-mosone]

that much is plainly obvious

 

[Mego Red]

only partially; falling as point forward, and then succeeding as a centre to average a triple double per 48 is quite staggering.

it suggest thats the former situation is more responsible for the disparity than the current one. window dressing in a good situation can make up that sort of improvement. it must be as a result of being misused originally.

Oh, pish. This is you just flapping your gums. Diaw is athletic and benefitting from people knowing he has almost no offensive weapons - but mostly from playing with a player who has made his career from making the pieces around him better. Diaw is no more a center than I am. Well - a bit more, but my point remains. Make him a center in any other environment and he'd fall on his ar$e.