AFL Autopsy Round 11 vs Sydney

[Tassieboy]

Poor Zaka.

 

[A. N. Onymous]

One thing that really got to me last night was when Hurley made a good lead and got a mark 30 meters out on a slight angle and rather than take the shot at goal he passed to Heppell who had drifted forward.

I understand that Dyson was closer but the angle was still the same and he missed.

My argument is that if you are the key forward and you take a mark well within your range with a good angle for the shot... YOU take the shot. THIS is what you are paid for, THIS is your role in the side. If you are not trying to convert the opportunities that your team is giving to you when they go forward then why would they make you the first option they seek when moving forward? You may feel you are doing the team thing but as far as I can see the team will just see someone who is scared to take the responsibility in front of goal. [/rant]

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Matthew Lloyd on The Footy Show -
"Zaharakis had a bad game"
...

oh he dinnit...

 

[Lance Uppercut]

One thing that really got to me last night was when Hurley made a good lead and got a mark 30 meters out on a slight angle and rather than take the shot at goal he passed to Heppell who had drifted forward.

I understand that Dyson was closer but the angle was still the same and he missed.

My argument is that if you are the key forward and you take a mark well within your range with a good angle for the shot... YOU take the shot. THIS is what you are paid for, THIS is your role in the side. If you are not trying to convert the opportunities that your team is giving to you when they go forward then why would they make you the first option they seek when moving forward? You may feel you are doing the team thing but as far as I can see the team will just see someone who is scared to take the responsibility in front of goal. [/rant]

this has been pissing me off all year. I understand he has the yips, but he just has to get on the horse and take the responsibility

 

[table tennis]

Any one watching on tele last night. Ben Howlett's non goal in the second quarter looked like it was marked a meter over the line!

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

Just such a weird game. I knew we would make a run eventually. Cannot dominate and continue missing. Plus Sydney were playing a high risk/high energy game and had to tire at some point.

 

[VelvetSledge]

Any one watching on tele last night. Ben Howlett's non goal in the second quarter looked like it was marked a meter over the line!

Looked that way on the replay, but my reserved seat is right along the goal line in the pocket. Was a clean grab, sadly.

 

[loopy_cam]

Was I the only one who thought Sydney's last goal was a textbook kicking in danger? Just saying.

 

[Summer Nights]

I got into an argument with some Sydney supporters. This is basically how it went:

me: "Fifty!"
woman (turns around to me): "Oh no it wasn't"
me: "Should have been"
man beside woman: "Stop your whinging about umpiring Essendon supporters"
Essendon supporters to sydney supporter: "Shut up you idiot"
me: "Yeah well that's the rule, mate, and everyone has a right to make calls at the footy, that's what we pay for"
man: "Why don't you tell your team to play some decent footy"
other sydney supporters laugh

No, ****head! I wasn't whinging. I just yelled out "Fifty!". **** off and don't tell me not to whinge at the footy. I proved you wrong so you pull out some irrelevant shit about my team not playing decent footy. How about your team wins 16 premierships you campaigner! This is my reserved seat, I'll say whatever the **** I want you arrogant old prick.

I was ready to give it to him if we got over the line. I had my line saved right up and every goal I was screaming in his ear after that. Sadly, I didn't get to have my moment of victory.

By the way, why the **** is it fair that all the reserved seats around me keep getting sold to opposition supporters? Shouldn't I get first dibs on those seats if they're put up for resale? I.e. Members should be able to get reallocated to better seats, with non-members having to purchase tickets up the back ffs! I understand how logistically hard that would be, but it's still a crock of shit.

Great system, membership department . "We wanted to be able to guarantee all our members access to every game". Absolute joke when opposition supporters are buying tickets everywhere in front and there are spare seats galore. Not good enough.

 

[VelvetSledge]

I got into an argument with some Sydney supporters. This is basically how it went:

me: "Fifty!"
woman (turns around to me): "Oh no it wasn't"
me: "Should have been"
man beside woman: "Stop your whinging about umpiring Essendon supporters"
Essendon supporters to sydney supporter: "Shut up you idiot"
me: "Yeah well that's the rule, mate, and everyone has a right to make calls at the footy, that's what we pay for"
man: "Why don't you tell your team to play some decent footy"
other sydney supporters laugh

No, [censored]head! I wasn't whinging. I just yelled out "Fifty!". [censored] off and don't tell me not to whinge at the footy. I proved you wrong so you pull out some irrelevant shit about my team not playing decent footy. How about your team wins 16 premierships you Moo! This is my reserved seat, I'll say whatever the [censored] I want you arrogant old prick.

I was ready to give it to him if we got over the line. I had my line saved right up and every goal I was screaming in his ear after that. Sadly, I didn't get to have my moment of victory.

By the way, why the [censored] is it fair that all the reserved seats around me keep getting sold to opposition supporters? Shouldn't I get first dibs on those seats if they're put up for resale? I.e. Members should be able to get reallocated to better seats, with non-members having to purchase tickets up the back ffs! I understand how logistically hard that would be, but it's still a crock of shit.

Great system, membership department . "We wanted to be able to guarantee all our members access to every game". Absolute joke when opposition supporters are buying tickets everywhere in front and there are spare seats galore. Not good enough.

Good read.

I've noticed it too, every home game we have at Etihad we somehow end up with opposition supporters directly next to us, drives me mental.

 

[George Washington]

 

[Phone]

they don't call toe pokes, for fairly obvious reasons. Needs to be a be a back-lift. Pointless complaining about it because we would have got away with similar toe pokes during the game and during the season. Heppell pointlessly going 3rd man up is the bigger discussion point from that play

 

[Phone]

actually looking at it again, heppell was also on the jetta at the bounce :-/

 

[raskolnikov]

I got into an argument with some Sydney supporters. This is basically how it went:

me: "Fifty!"
woman (turns around to me): "Oh no it wasn't"
me: "Should have been"
man beside woman: "Stop your whinging about umpiring Essendon supporters"
Essendon supporters to sydney supporter: "Shut up you idiot"
me: "Yeah well that's the rule, mate, and everyone has a right to make calls at the footy, that's what we pay for"
man: "Why don't you tell your team to play some decent footy"
other sydney supporters laugh

No, [censored]head! I wasn't whinging. I just yelled out "Fifty!". [censored] off and don't tell me not to whinge at the footy. I proved you wrong so you pull out some irrelevant shit about my team not playing decent footy. How about your team wins 16 premierships you Moo! This is my reserved seat, I'll say whatever the [censored] I want you arrogant old prick.

I was ready to give it to him if we got over the line. I had my line saved right up and every goal I was screaming in his ear after that. Sadly, I didn't get to have my moment of victory.

By the way, why the [censored] is it fair that all the reserved seats around me keep getting sold to opposition supporters? Shouldn't I get first dibs on those seats if they're put up for resale? I.e. Members should be able to get reallocated to better seats, with non-members having to purchase tickets up the back ffs! I understand how logistically hard that would be, but it's still a crock of shit.

Great system, membership department . "We wanted to be able to guarantee all our members access to every game". Absolute joke when opposition supporters are buying tickets everywhere in front and there are spare seats galore. Not good enough.

There was a Swans fan sitting in our section of the reserved seating last night. He was being a twat. At one stage the guy in front of him turned around and told him to have a good cold cup of shut the **** up. I don't get opposition supporters sitting in our reserved section. If you're going to at least show a little respect.

 

[George Washington]

Pitty the time keeper didn't blow the siren when the clock ran out...... like you're supposed to do. Real pitty.

Interesting point from the mainboard. Obviously no point crying over spilt milk but..

Watched it again this morning, and not sure if the channel 7 clock is linked to the game clock, cause it hit 0 as dempsey took the mark, then it disappeared, then a second or two later the siren went as dempsey played on. Interesting nonetheless.

 

[Phone]

in summary, when paddy ryder is in the ruck, never ever go 3rd man up

 

[George Washington]

they don't call toe pokes, for fairly obvious reasons. Needs to be a be a back-lift. Pointless complaining about it because we would have got away with similar toe pokes during the game and during the season. Heppell pointlessly going 3rd man up is the bigger discussion point from that play

Is there an official rule there needs to be a backlift for it to be kicking in danger? Just curious.

 

[Phone]

Is there an official rule there needs to be a backlift for it to be kicking in danger? Just curious.

cbf looking. But it's a rule of thumb. They're not gonna call a toe poke for kicking in danger ( i like to joke they only call kicking in danger when your team is down by 50 ftr). But yeah toe pokes never get called, hell giant swings sometimes get let go. (think in the gold coast game Fletch did one that almost ended with his foot hitting the gc player's head...no free)

 

[Ben the Gooner]

In practice it's not kicking in danger, but is there any sport in the world where the rules are so widely ignored by the officials?

I literally cannot understand the holding the ball rule.

 

[George Washington]

I'd say this was the crucial piece of play that cost us. Decided twice to go back out to the wing instead of into the corridor. Davey's kick to Crameri was probably the most low percentage kick he could have picked, to an injured out of form forward, to the boundary 50 out and to the oppositions best defender in Richards. Even if Crameri had marked it, he would have been 50 out on the boundary so would never kick it anyway.

 

[The Prosecutor]

By the way, why the [censored] is it fair that all the reserved seats around me keep getting sold to opposition supporters? Shouldn't I get first dibs on those seats if they're put up for resale? I.e. Members should be able to get reallocated to better seats, with non-members having to purchase tickets up the back ffs! I understand how logistically hard that would be, but it's still a crock of shit.

Great system, membership department . "We wanted to be able to guarantee all our members access to every game". Absolute joke when opposition supporters are buying tickets everywhere in front and there are spare seats galore. Not good enough.

Good read.

I've noticed it too, every home game we have at Etihad we somehow end up with opposition supporters directly next to us, drives me mental.

There was a Swans fan sitting in our section of the reserved seating last night. He was being a twat. At one stage the guy in front of him turned around and told him to have a good cold cup of shut the [censored] up. I don't get opposition supporters sitting in our reserved section. If you're going to at least show a little respect.

It's pissing me off as well.

I'm paying a good deal of money for my High Mark membership, yet just in the row in front of me there were Swan supporters and a ****ing St Kilda supporter.

Why the hell don't us Essendon members get these seats? (I was in aisle 35, Row H).

It's a joke.

 

[Phone]

In practice it's not kicking in danger, but is there any sport in the world where the rules are so widely ignored by the officials?

I literally cannot understand the holding the ball rule.

I think I've talked about with PP before, but I can't think of another sport which has so many like sub-rules and all that. Like holding the ball, you've got prior opportunity, you've got making an attempt, you've got diving on the ball and dragging it in (and next season, we'll likely have holding the ball onto an opposition player). There's a lot of stuff in there.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

I think I've talked about with PP before, but I can't think of another sport which has so many like sub-rules and all that. Like holding the ball, you've got prior opportunity, you've got making an attempt, you've got diving on the ball and dragging it in (and next season, we'll likely have holding the ball onto an opposition player). There's a lot of stuff in there.

But for each of those sub-rules, toss a coin. If heads, it's holding the ball.

I've seen incorrect disposal given despite no prior opportunity and no prior being the reason incorrect disposal isn't paid. Incorrect disposal only applies when you're standing up, btw. On the ground it's a free for all.

 

[Phone]

I'd say this was the crucial piece of play that cost us. Decided twice to go back out to the wing instead of into the corridor. Davey's kick to Crameri was probably the most low percentage kick he could have picked, to an injured out of form forward, to the boundary 50 out and to the oppositions best defender in Richards. Even if Crameri had marked it, he would have been 50 out on the boundary so would never kick it anyway.

Agree with that. Cringed when I saw who he was kicking to. I was preying it'd somehow be Jobe or someone.

At the resulting throw-in I thought Sydney got the ball out too easily too. That's a real problem we have, it seems we go 100% at the stoppage. Like, either we get the ball, and make hay, or they get the ball, and make hay. We don't create many repeated stoppages.

 

[Summer Nights]

I think I've talked about with PP before, but I can't think of another sport which has so many like sub-rules and all that. Like holding the ball, you've got prior opportunity, you've got making an attempt, you've got diving on the ball and dragging it in (and next season, we'll likely have holding the ball onto an opposition player). There's a lot of stuff in there.

Stopped reading there. (jks)

But year, it's so inconsistently applied, especially the "no prior, making an attempt" part. Sometimes the umpire will say "the ball was pinned to him and couldn't do anything" and other times it will be like "you have to make an attempt". Well, which one is it? I suspect it's the latter, so then if that's the case, they should apply that philosophy consistently so that the players and fans know what to expect. So many times we see a player at the bottom of the pack doing nothing to get it out and the umpire calls ball-up. Other times, the umpires will penalise the bloke at the bottom. It's so confusing.