Autopsy Round 23 = Adelaide 59-56 Collingwood

[DinoSoar]

If your intent is to come in here and troll, think again as it won’t end well for you.

Anzacday Maggie5 Gone Critical

 

[domus]

Why didn’t someone ask Fly why we didn’t play Hill for at least part of the VFL game? We did it a month or so ago, he kicked three goals and then came back into the seniors with DeGoey. Then gets “gastro” (more than two weeks ago now) and is suddenly miles off being able to play.

Nobody believes the BS that is being spun. They should have just said that he is going on indefinite personal leave and left it at that, instead of spinning it into an implausible match fitness cover story.

I agree-it's the lies which are so patronizing and frustrating. Tell your beloved Magpie Army what is going on Fly. We don't need to know the details-just as you said-indefinite leave and unavailable to play. Then we at least give up the hope we have- only to be let down again each week.

The so-called journalists are a joke. Not one had the balls to raise the issue. It was crying out for the question- why is he unlikely next week? He played in the VFL two weeks ago and was sub against the Lions and now after a bout of gastro he is unavailable for weeks?

 

[Magpie_man]

Too many numbers back and slippery ball. I think if we want the game to be played squeezed into our forward half, we've got to practice drawing frees. We needed a Hawk small or a Peatling to buckle at the knees or drive the head into someone and get a free.

We play way too honest at times I agree. Someone who can perfect the art of ducking a little (not to their or teams detriment) would be a nice asset. Just having one or two frees in that F50 would be so handy. That’s where Ginni was nice to have. Just had the knack for it

 

[Do_Beta_Rapport]

Hopefully we get another crack at them week 1 of the finals.

Both sides learnt a lot about eachother last night.

Need results to fall our way.

 

[sr36]

They need to get rid of umpires outside of zones paying free kicks. Unless it is an off the ball hit, how can you make a call with confidence when you are 70metres away from the action?

Might as well have an umpire upstairs on a microphone making the calls to an umpires earpiece.

To me it's pretty simple - the out of zone umpires should only pay off the ball frees. Otherwise in a situation like that they're overruling the umpire with the better view.

 

[76woodenspooners]

To me it's pretty simple - the out of zone umpires should only pay off the ball frees. Otherwise in a situation like that they're overruling the umpire with the better view.

That assumes that the umpire who is closest to the ball has the best view, which isn’t always the case.

 

[Fruit]

Port’s recent form hasn’t been too bad. A couple of stinkers but they are capable of getting up against the Suns and I think they will make a huge effort to give Trav Boak and Kenny and good send off

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Yep, if a lesser performance by Brody exists, I can't remember it. Maybe against May a few years back, or McGovern the WC gorilla.

I want to bring up Long as one that could join your queue of underperformers. Can't question endeavour, can question composure.

IQ and Schultz

* I seek your license to use your "Edward Scissorhands" term without fear of IP litigation.

Granted.

I mostly used it to describe Tyson Goldsack, a player who I loved and would run like his life depended on it, was a strong mark, tackle ferociously and kick like a mule, but could not pick the ball up off the deck even if bitten by a radioactive spider.

 

[Kes1984]

Really fed up of autopsy threads.
I’m not good at losing and we’re now making a habit of it.

Definitely improved which was good.

Still a big problem with disconnect between our mids and forwards. Been a glaring issue since the Freo loss especially yet not seeming to be fixed.

Checkers looks checked out.
McStay looks scared to do his knee again.
Elliott is getting a lot more oppo attention since his bags of goals and his influence has been removed from games now.
Membrey ok but doesn’t do enough.

The loss of Bobby Hill from our side cannot be understated. It has derailed our season to lose him. His contribution to teammates getting goals, his forward line pressure to keep the ball inside 50 for force a turnover and score. These are missing now.

Howe is required to make Moore acceptable. Without a Howe or Murphy, Moore is constantly shown up.

Houston is not working. Gives away too many frees so can’t have him deep in defence. Too costly.

Anyway top 4 still possible but far less probable now. And we’ll almost certainly travel to Adelaide or Gold Coast.

We went all in this season, backing our star recruit to join the grey army. We had to manage players to get through. It was a gamble and we have lost it would seem.

This is hard to turn around now. Yes you can win from outside the top 4, but you’d damn sure want to be taking some good form into finals. That’s not us.

Just such a massive disappointment how this year has now played out. Two months ago, I was dreaming of a grand final week, maybe flag #17.

 

[Hazz]

Not a bad option
Sounds like Fly was trying to get stoppage but being unpredictable would help

played for F50 stoppage then gave them a free hand by playing cameron a kick behind rather than rucking those F50 stoppages. They walked it out all night and we kept doing the same thing

 

[jathanas]

Yes, he was truly brilliant.
Our defence is back to its best.
This is what still gives us a chance.
Midfield pressure was also great tonight.
But the forward line, and the lack of plan against flooding, is a massive issue.

Anyone floods against us when they get the lead, and we can't score.

It is so obvious.

Why TF can't we find an answer?

The blueprint was in the 1st quarter. Manic effort to move the ball forward fast.

Once the game turned into a grind the obvious one would have been to try neutralise Keane's dominance. We couldn't win a f***ng contest.

 

[stormskye]

According to fly we had 39 forward 50 stoppages for 3 pts. 32 tackles inside 50 to 6. You’d expect some reward if only a couple of frees for a goal or 2.

time to get the scuba tanks out at training

 

[Mollythedolly]

I’m sure if you went through our footage we’d have had a few of those as well. They weren’t the 50-50 decisions that bothered me. I’m more concerned about the Thilthorpe kicking the footy away decision, the 50m Maynard should have gotten after his holding the man free when the Crows player took an eternity to return it to him, and a few holding the footy decisions that were let go. They’re basic frees that have been consistently umpired and just weren’t.

 

[sr36]

That assumes that the umpire who is closest to the ball has the best view, which isn’t always the case.

True. But any system that gives the benefit of the doubt to a free kick, which our system does, is flawed as it gives increased benefit to players who play for frees. You've just got to trick one of the umpires and it's a free even if the other ones saw that it was rubbish or you caused the high contact, etc.

 

[Monco Matt]

We play way too honest at times I agree. Someone who can perfect the art of ducking a little (not to their or teams detriment) would be a nice asset. Just having one or two frees in that F50 would be so handy. That’s where Ginni was nice to have. Just had the knack for it

Ginni was getting his head ripped off at Collingwood and got nothing from the umps after the media decided to make a huge issue out of ducking now that Collingwood was benefiting from the rule. Since moving away from Collingwood the media don't give a **** anymore.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

According to fly we had 39 forward 50 stoppages for 3 pts. 32 tackles inside 50 to 6. You’d expect some reward if only a couple of frees for a goal or 2.

time to get the scuba tanks out at training

Tackling is a futile enterprise for us right now. Even if we manage to stick it, which isn’t that often, the result is a repeat stoppage or a high contact free. There is no reward, only potential to keep an opponent from setting up play.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I’m sure if you went through our footage we’d have had a few of those as well. They weren’t the 50-50 decisions that bothered me. I’m more concerned about the Thilthorpe kicking the footy away decision, the 50m Maynard should have gotten after his holding the man free when the Crows player took an eternity to return it to him, and a few holding the footy decisions that were let go. They’re basic frees that have been consistently umpired and just weren’t.

I’m concerned about our forward 50m tackling in particular never being rewarded. We have players like Parker getting nailed for being in possession a millisecond, or if a player has one arm free despite no prior opportunity, but Adelaide players took on the tackler in our forward 50m multiple times and then dropped the ball when tackled for no result.

Our success goes very much with how much reward we get for our effort up forward, and the umpires implementing the rules appropriately has a large influence on that.

 

[Magnanimous]

Lmao The umpiring is so rigged. After favouring the crows all night, they give Collingwood a free kick out of thin air to give us one last ditch effort to win the match.

The AFL care more about the theatre than anything else.

Let's give them more theatre and introduce captains call.
Then they can reverse the shit calls tha DO cost a few times each year.
AFL<<<NRL at the moment

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Why 5-8th? We will smash Melbourne this week. Get a few % back.

I see us finishing 4th and beating Umpirelaide in our first final.

I would take that, and they would fair dinkum shit their dacks over there, having to play against our best 23 in the dry.

 

[riddick78]

After sleeping on it, it does suck to lose, but Adelade are very lucky we didn't blow them out of the water, they got a small taste of finals footy and they won't get that run of luck with the umpiring in finals.

We really need to work on our mid to forward connection, should be a priority this week.

Also, did Josh or Beau attend any centre bounces??? i can't remember any, i thought with Parker in the side, we had the option to play Josh or Perryman in the middle. I remeber Houston being on the wing at the start of the game.

 

[Bramax]

Great - so you acknowledge the improvement - of course we need betterinside 50 connection. But do you think Nicks is sleeping easy tonight knowing how much territory they conceded by allowing us 34 more I50’s.
Do you think he’s comfortable that he wins the next meeting with that stat?

You’re right. Nicks would be concerned.
And that’s why others on this board who are still saying we are pathetic and all that crap need to look at our performance from another angle.
Collingwood only have to fix our connection into F50 and conversion % from F50 entries by 10% and we win that game easily last night.
We lost - yes. But we dominated the important aspects of the game and it bodes well for finals.

 

[Magnanimous]

Are our forwards not working for each other any more? Why can’t we isolate anyone like we could earlier in the season.

Just don't think the Checkers and McStay combo works.

I would drop McStay and bring in Cox who has a bigger body of work/chemistry with Checkers.
Cox will also compete defending opposition shots on goal.

Seen many goals last few weeks with Cameron getting pushed out of the way, atleast cox has an extra foot of reach and some mongrel in him.

Melbourne will win if we don't have some support for Cameron next week.
Will be the GF to deal us a final blow for 2025.

 

[Bramax]

The blueprint was in the 1st quarter. Manic effort to move the ball forward fast.

Once the game turned into a grind the obvious one would have been to try neutralise Keane's dominance. We couldn't win a f***ng contest.

Yep - Keane.
With Mihocek not getting near the footy, I would have pushed him to the goal square to see if it’d drag Keane there.
Either it would and we’d limit Keane’s effectiveness or if not, we could kick long over Keane to Mihocek in the goal square.

 

[sr36]

Really fed up of autopsy threads.
I’m not good at losing and we’re now making a habit of it.

Definitely improved which was good.

Still a big problem with disconnect between our mids and forwards. Been a glaring issue since the Freo loss especially yet not seeming to be fixed.

Checkers looks checked out.
McStay looks scared to do his knee again.
Elliott is getting a lot more oppo attention since his bags of goals and his influence has been removed from games now.
Membrey ok but doesn’t do enough.

The loss of Bobby Hill from our side cannot be understated. It has derailed our season to lose him. His contribution to teammates getting goals, his forward line pressure to keep the ball inside 50 for force a turnover and score. These are missing now.

Howe is required to make Moore acceptable. Without a Howe or Murphy, Moore is constantly shown up.

Houston is not working. Gives away too many frees so can’t have him deep in defence. Too costly.

Anyway top 4 still possible but far less probable now. And we’ll almost certainly travel to Adelaide or Gold Coast.

We went all in this season, backing our star recruit to join the grey army. We had to manage players to get through. It was a gamble and we have lost it would see.

This is hard to turn around now. Yes you can win from outside the top 4, but you’d damn sure want to be taking some good form into finals. That’s not us.

Just such a massive disappointment how this year has now played out. Two months ago, I was dreaming of a grand final week, maybe flag #17.

Ultimately, our tall forwards are too small and can't deal with numbers flooding back. It's been the story of most of our defeats - GWS (before we became physically cooked and got blown away), Geel, Freo, Adelaide.

And just to pre-empt, Coxy isn't the answer. He played in 3 of those.

 

[Magpie_man]

Ginni was getting his head ripped off at Collingwood and got nothing from the umps after the media decided to make a huge issue out of ducking now that Collingwood was benefiting from the rule. Since moving away from Collingwood the media don't give a **** anymore.

And now the umps give him his frees all the time from blatant ducks because he’s wearing a different coloured jumper. How the AFL got away with this without any scrutiny is BS tbh

 

[regpies]

Hopefully we get another crack at them week 1 of the finals.

Both sides learnt a lot about eachother last night.

Need results to fall our way.

After last night I’d love to play them in Adelaide week 1. That would be the easiest path to a home Prelim.