Recommitted Rowan Marshall [OOC 2027] - Requested Trade to Geelong, didn't get done

[VDS66]

Can I just put this out there for Mods to pin this comment so we don’t get another 10 pages of pointless back and forth?

Isn't this what we live for?

 

[FootyLad0]

Isn't this what we live for?

 

[stavro#4]

Gettable/Cal Twomey today.

Marshall. Only going if the saints get a top 15-18 pick.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Gettable/Cal Twomey today.

Marshall. Only going if the saints get a top 15-18 pick.

Before or after academy bids?

 

[stavro#4]

Before or after academy bids?

I thought it was implied to be after.

Would be weird to frame it that way considering everyone expects the cats to part with their first which would be in that range.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I thought it was implied to be after.

Would be weird to frame it that way considering everyone expects the cats to part with their first which would be in that range.

I think Geelong pick slides to around 25 after bids and free agency compo.

 

[stavro#4]

I think Geelong pick slides to around 25 after bids and free agency compo.

Agreed.

Which wouldn’t get the deal done (as mentioned in the previous 20 pages here)

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Mate, with respect: different player types, different list needs for respective clubs; different importance; different availability of alternatives.

If you want an A-grade ruck, then you have to pay for it. There is a price where you walk away and that's OK. Same goes with Ryan.

Bottom line: We all think our kids are the cutest and others are ugly... even if ours are butt ugly.

Rucks don't get much more A grade than Brody Grundy who got traded from Melbourne on similar money at a similar age for pick 46 and future 2nd.

 

[stavro#4]

Rucks don't get much more A grade than Brody Grundy who got traded from Melbourne on similar money at a similar age for pick 46 and future 2nd.

This post completely omits the rationale as to why Grundy got traded in any of his moves.

He was a salary dump after the club struggled.

Then the dees struggled and couldn’t make the ruck tandem work and was dumped again.

It’s not an accurate reflection on his value

 

[Wojcinski]

Also would not make Geelong better for any price as they are our competition.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means

 

[Falchoon]

You acknowledge you don't speak for all saints fans but I think the main thing to acknowledge is that you don't speak for the club.

Despite the noise about wanting to keep him, i just don't buy that the saints want to pass up extra draft capital they could use on other trade targets in favour of clogging up the forward line with a disgruntled 30 year old ruck.

trade capital ≠ pick 24

for all the reasons mentioned consistently

 

[TheJackal]

Firstly. So they did this willingly, Yes?? Front loading? OK. If so why the need to offload his contract? If it is indeed been front loaded... Must be around the 500-600k mark then?? One would think if it was correct. Why move him on??

Secondly. It will be the 17-18th or even 19th player allowed to be picked...
Like all years. These Father Sons, NGAs and Academy picks are already taken so it's just all fluff.
In the end it is the 18th player that is actually available.
Oh and... The drafts are always horrible when u pick the wrong players constantly...
Bont or Billings? Petracca or Paddy?? Max or Ben King?

Thirdly. Disregarding the posturing coming outta Moorabbin, i am of the thinking his contract needs to moved off the books.
Yes i don't believe the front loading of these millions u talk of.
So I ask, can your club swallow the 800k for the next 3 years?? Mmm... Interesting times ahead.

What a load of rubbish.

Firstly St Kilda aren't moving him on, he is looking to move under contract.

Secondly, Father Sons, Academy Picks and NGAs REDUCE the talent pool - whether they are available or not does not change that.

Thirdly, why is it so hard to believe that St Kilda has actually managed their books successfully in order to get then spend a warchest? We don't want to get rid of Marshall, hence the high price tag.

I'm not sure if supporters are genuine or just trolling these days. For the sake of their intelligence, I hope its the latter.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This post completely omits the rationale as to why Grundy got traded in any of his moves.

He was a salary dump after the club struggled.

Then the dees struggled and couldn’t make the ruck tandem work and was dumped again.

It’s not an accurate reflection on his value

He got salary dumped when he went to Melbourne. Collingwood kept his extra money. He was on a big not massive contract when he went to Sydney

 

[MisterMarcus]

For a group of supporters who desperately want to keep Marshall and never want him traded, Saints fans sure are keen to constantly pump up his trade value….

 

[stfan]

Firstly. So they did this willingly, Yes?? Front loading? OK. If so why the need to offload his contract?

There is no need to offload Marshall's contract. Salary Cap wise it is a negative to St Kilda if he goes in 26/27 as the bulk of his 4 year contract will have been paid by end of 2026. So for St Kilda he is class player at very low cost for 26/27. His 26/27 is low and so offloading his contract will have very little value as any decent player would cost more $$$.

If he goes it is only if a significant to St Kilda trade deal occurs. That is the value.

• I am not sure if the Cats have anyone that they are willing to let go that St Kilda would value (You certainly have players that St Kilda would like though)
• In which case the significant value would be a pick/picks that would enable St Kilda to draft in/trade in a player they value (Hypothetically say Flanders) who is gettable.

 

[Falchoon]

He got salary dumped when he went to Melbourne. Collingwood kept his extra money. He was on a big not massive contract when he went to Sydney

why did Geelong not jump in?

 

[stavro#4]

He got salary dumped when he went to Melbourne. Collingwood kept his extra money. He was on a big not massive contract when he went to Sydney

Not sure what point you’re making here.

You obviously agree he got dumped for one reason or another.

Which is wildly different to Rowan Marshall. So how is Grundy the comparison trade Value ?

 

[PrancingPony]

As if Geelong need another great player. They just keep doing it huh.

 

[MisterMarcus]

why did Geelong not jump in?

We did.

Grundy apparently wanted the inner city latte lifestyle, and I guess Pakington St didn’t do it for him.

 

[Falchoon]

We did.

Grundy apparently wanted the inner city latte lifestyle, and I guess Pakington St didn’t do it for him.

would have been handy based on this years form

 

[stfan]

For a group of supporters who desperately want to keep Marshall and never want him traded, Saints fans sure are keen to constantly pump up his trade value….

While some may say "never want him traded", I think it is more with most of us that we are pragmatic enough to know that Marshall asked to be traded to Geelong last trade period, but a deal could not get done. And that in 2026/27 we will have better options to cover him going than we had a year ago (TDK and the young Dodson).

So we know that he would like to move.

We also know that now like then, that he is contracted .

Whether the deal can get done this year remains to be seen.

We also all highly value Marshall, so we do not need, or even necessarily want, him to go. And with King missing all of this season, and Keeler still developing and Caminiti ditto, a big marking player like Marshall up forward and around the ground is an asset. And the mooted 5 person interchange bench makes a tandem TDK/Marshall appealing.

How appealing Marshall actually going would very much depend on St Kilda landing the much discussed "Mystery Mid". No "Mystery Mid" would mean at least to myself that keeping Marshall is the better option, especially as his $$$ for us in 26/27 is cheap.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

why did Geelong not jump in?

We did apparently, both times he was traded. Grundy wasn't interested in moving to Geelong apparently. We also had a crack at Goldstein around the same time but family reasons he couldn't leave Melbourne

 

[Falchoon]

For a group of supporters who desperately want to keep Marshall and never want him traded, Saints fans sure are keen to constantly pump up his trade value….

Never is the wrong word, we'd be very much open to a SDK/O'Sullivan conversation prior to formalising the Aleer trade.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not sure what point you’re making here.

You obviously agree he got dumped for one reason or another.

Which is wildly different to Rowan Marshall. So how is Grundy the comparison trade Value ?

I'm not sure if you read my post because I did not say that. I didn't say that because it's not true.

Grundy was not salary dumped on the trade from Melbourne to Sydney, because Collingwood was unable to get out of their financial obligations to him.

Grundy was reported to be getting paid 250-300k of his million by Collingwood so 700-750k would have to get paid by Sydney

The contract was longer, but he was slightly younger and unquestionably a better player.

The reason he was traded is actually really highly relevant to this scenario. He was an elite ruckman trying to play with another elite ruckman and it just didn't work. Which sounds like a cautionary tale.

 

[stavro#4]

I'm not sure if you read my post because I did not say that. I didn't say that because it's not true.

Grundy was not salary dumped on the trade from Melbourne to Sydney, because Collingwood was unable to get out of their financial obligations to him.

Grundy was reported to be getting paid 250-300k of his million by Collingwood so 700-750k would have to get paid by Sydney

The contract was longer, but he was slightly younger and unquestionably a better player.

The reason he was traded is actually really highly relevant to this scenario. He was an elite ruckman trying to play with another elite ruckman and it just didn't work. Which sounds like a cautionary tale.

So because it hasn’t worked elsewhere means we ignore when it did work for Marshall and ultimately it’s an entirely made up scenario by you to reduce his value in your opinion.

Luckily Twomey is a better source and he has him pegged as a top 15-18 pick. Which wasn’t far off Cleary - the Geelong fan boy claiming pick 12-15 a few months back.