Analysis Ruckmen not jumping

[Turbocat]

Not jumping as a variable tactical choice is fine , but not jumping because you have no jump is a one dimensional approach that will fail against the best.

 

[Turbocat]

His mass hurts. Full stop. Make it count.
Im just not sure after his knee that he has the confidence to do it too much. Going to ground he's fine with.

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I would be willing to see him a week or two , ..he needs to get a little more aggressive. He will never be Mumford , but thats where he need to aim imo

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

I haven't really analysed the situation with Simpson and McIntosh, so I could be way off the mark, but as a former ruckman myself I used to use this tactic quite a bit to combat opposing ruckmen that would jump early. Not sure if that was the case with Jacobs and Leuenburger, but often when a ruckman is getting beaten, they will start to jump earlier, initialising contact in order to subdue the dominant ruckman's leap, nullifying his advantage. West is good at doing this.

So perhaps Jacobs, Leuenburger & West felt they were being beaten early and therefore decided to try nullify Simpson and McIntosh by jumping into them earlier and stifling their jump. Simpson and/or McIntosh might have then decided to let the other ruckman jump early, and try to step around them which often results in an easy hitout. Sandilands is the master at doing this (obviously his height helps!).

As I said, I don't know if this is the case, just a possibility.

I think the other part of it is shifting the position slightly, the ruckman that doesn't jump kind of matadors the big jumper, as they've got their eyes on the ball. The 'leaping' ruckmen are often trying to go early and get a second leap by jumping into the opponent and bouncing off them (which also prevents the other ruckmen from jumping). So, if the leaper is expecting to feel contact as he goes up early and all of a sudden he's sticking his knee into nothing, that's when the side-step and easy tap is a very effective (albeit ugly) option. And there's the obvious self-preservation aspect that must be a consideration for our rucks. The best way to combat the man mountain rucks (until they changed the rules) always used to be running in early and actually going past the ball, then stretching back in your leap to cut of the opposition ruck's avenue to the ball. Players give away a free in the AFL for that these days, but you rarely see them paid in local football.

The main thing is, as with the starting position and the areas that the ruckman is looking to service, he simply can't do the side-step and clear slap every time. It loses its effectiveness the moment the opposing ruckman is expecting him to do it.

 

[Vdubs]

Simpson needs to jump plenty this Monday. Wear down the opposition and given he's a good inch or two taller than both the opposing rucks, if he can jump more often than not and get us first use of the footy from out of the middle, we will be a completely different side to the one Hawthorn faced in the Qualifying Final.

Maybe the 207cm types don't need to jump.
Maybe the 199cm types have to jump to even be able to compete.
Why jump if you're already up there compared to your opponent?

 

[Bobby_]

Maybe the 207cm types don't need to jump.
Maybe the 199cm types have to jump to even be able to compete.
Why jump if you're already up there compared to your opponent?

because it only ensures we do win the hit-outs. Ceglar is an athlete. Has good leaping ability so Simpson cannot do what McIntosh does and try and baulk around the ruck to win the tap, has to leap and smash the ball 15 metres down the line. It will be very crucial in the final quarter so perhaps he can try limiting the jumping in the first half then give it a real crack in the second half?
As the consistent jumping would be tiring in itself.

 

[vinum coupe]

But the club has said they don't want him jumping.
And I'm not sure he can do it anyway.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Maybe the 207cm types don't need to jump.
Maybe the 199cm types have to jump to even be able to compete.
Why jump if you're already up there compared to your opponent?

Because a one-trick pony has to be absolutely exceptional at that one trick for it to be effective. As mentioned earlier, if the opponent knows for a fact that you are going to try to side-step him and go for the tap flat-footed, he'll simply take a quick glance at you when the ball is in the air, time his jump accordingly and almost certainly get a clear hit out.

I'd be surprised if there was a ruckman in the league that wasn't able to dunk a basketball easily. How many can dunk a basketball flat-footed? I think it would be safe to assume none. So essentially, if you're going in flat-footed and you're not going to mix up your tactics, you're a ruckbag for your opponent.

 

[Vdubs]

Because a one-trick pony has to be absolutely exceptional at that one trick for it to be effective. As mentioned earlier, if the opponent knows for a fact that you are going to try to side-step him and go for the tap flat-footed, he'll simply take a quick glance at you when the ball is in the air, time his jump accordingly and almost certainly get a clear hit out.

I'd be surprised if there was a ruckman in the league that wasn't able to dunk a basketball easily. How many can dunk a basketball flat-footed? I think it would be safe to assume none. So essentially, if you're going in flat-footed and you're not going to mix up your tactics, you're a ruckbag for your opponent.

Wait a minute..

 

[vinum coupe]

Ha ha

 

[dazbroncos]

because it only ensures we do win the hit-outs. Ceglar is an athlete. Has good leaping ability so Simpson cannot do what McIntosh does and try and baulk around the ruck to win the tap, has to leap and smash the ball 15 metres down the line. It will be very crucial in the final quarter so perhaps he can try limiting the jumping in the first half then give it a real crack in the second half?
As the consistent jumping would be tiring in itself.

Now you've done it… you mentioned the A word. (Can't use that word in footy parlance…)

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[Vdubs]

Now you've done it… you mentioned the A word. (Can't use that word in footy parlance…)

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Specially as we have the bona fide model.

 

[Bobby_]

Now you've done it… you mentioned the A word. (Can't use that word in footy parlance…)

I know, it gets used excessively doesn't it
Like, all footballers are athletes but there are some exceptions because Ceglar appears to be one of those tall players who could pick up a basketball and not look out of place at all. His ability to move so quickly for a guy 6ft'8 in height is pretty exceptional. He also has the leaping ability to match that quickness which is a fine package for any footballer let alone a ruckman, and as we saw last night, both of those ruckman literally cannot get off the ground to save themselves so it will be interesting to see how Dawson tries to combat Ceglar in this one. Hopefully Ottens has a better recipe for success this time around.

Ceglar certainly did a number on McIntosh in both games last year and I wouldn't even rate him as a ruckman as it's just that superior athletic quality he has which seems to get the better of opposition opponents.

 

[dazbroncos]

I know, it gets used excessively doesn't it
Like, all footballers are athletes but there are some exceptions because Ceglar appears to be one of those tall players who could pick up a basketball and not look out of place at all. His ability to move so quickly for a guy 6ft'8 in height is pretty exceptional. He also has the leaping ability to match that quickness which is a fine package for any footballer let alone a ruckman, and as we saw last night, both of those ruckman literally cannot get off the ground to save themselves so it will be interesting to see how Dawson tries to combat Ceglar in this one. Hopefully Ottens has a better recipe for success this time around.

Ceglar certainly did a number on McIntosh in both games last year and I wouldn't even rate him as a ruckman as it's just that superior athletic quality he has which seems to get the better of opposition opponents.

Its my understanding the Pill is no longer at the club in that capacity - or any capacity for that matter.

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[Bobby_]

Its my understanding the Pill is no longer at the club in that capacity - or any capacity for that matter.

Really?
Do you know who the ruck coach is now?

 

[vinum coupe]

I don't think we have one

 

[Bobby_]

hmmm . . . I guess McIntosh's experience should be enough to get us by but I wonder why the club did not look at getting in more know-how to add to the mix?

 

[dazbroncos]

Really?
Do you know who the ruck coach is now?

See VC's post. Don't think there is one.

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[Sttew]

Yeah, It's just an observation, I don't mind it. HMac does it more than Simpson so it could have something to do with avoiding injury.

And conserving energy

 

[you pick one]

I'm not expecting to much from Simpson especially this early in the season,If he can just manage to negate the influence of the Hawk pair in Ceglar and Big Boy from giving Mitchell,Lewis,Rioli and co an armchair ride he will have done a job for us.

 

[Turbocat]

Wait a minute..

So which one of our Ruckmen is the Chief , I think I know who is Nurse Ratched

 

[David the Cat]

Wait a minute..

Classic…..

So Simpson is the "chief" from here on in…….

 

[Vdubs]

So which one of our Ruckmen is the Chief , I think I know who is Nurse Ratched

The tall one who doesn't have to jump.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

hmmm . . . I guess McIntosh's experience should be enough to get us by but I wonder why the club did not look at getting in more know-how to add to the mix?

Possibly a cut back due to the footy department cap on spending which comes in this year. Maybe ruck coach was decided it was not as high a priority an avenue of limited financial resources

 

[David the Cat]

So which one of our Ruckmen is the Chief , I think I know who is Nurse Ratched

Watch the video

 

[Turbocat]

The tall one who doesn't have to jump.

We have several tall ones , our tallest can jump but may chose not , our second tallest can not.