Rumour File #4.

[coryne]

Didn't Kreuz do his huge bike-ride at the end of last year ??? There is NO WAY he would do THAT much riding if he had a recent set-back ...............


Kreuzer to Ride for Youth

 

[Sin City]

Didn't Kreuz do his huge bike-ride at the end of last year ??? There is NO WAY he would do THAT much riding if he had a recent set-back ...............


Kreuzer to Ride for Youth

Good point. MS3 is not the type to post crap but the info he's been given doesn't really fit with what Kreuzer was saying yesterday.

 

[Weiterbot23]

I wouldn't play kreuzer till round 10 anyway.


Let hamma have a run and show us what he can do.

Warnock and Hamma - top 5-6 Ruck combo in the league. (in my bias opinion)

 

[HARKER]

Didn't Kreuz do his huge bike-ride at the end of last year ??? There is NO WAY he would do THAT much riding if he had a recent set-back ...............

I was thinking the same thing.

Whichever way it goes with Kreuzer, I think we are in a great position with our ruck stocks right now.
Warnock will assume the no. 1 ruck mantle without any real competition for weeks on end, and for mine this is his rightful place.
If some haven't been impressed with his abilities quite yet we'll have ample time for him to shine in his own light over the first 10 weeks of the season.
Kreuzer will be a nice fresh weapon to launch into the second half of the season, as we all know he'll be aching for not being on the field come round 1.

Hampson will have his opportunity without too much loss to our team structure, and it may just be the wake-up call he needs right now.
Hampson can ruck, but his hands are still letting him down when they count the most, but given a few weeks to find his feet (read hands) we'll know whether this experiment may still have legs or whether we should bite the bullet come seasons end.
That may sound harsh but his time is approaching.

 

[blue gunslinger]

it is not uncommon after a serious recon that the knee through accomodation will throw up something like a Baker's cyst or meniscus tear. With certain areas of the knee less strong it allows stronger forces to be exerted on other areas and that is what often occurs. Would not stress too much. It may have been something simple as removal of some scar tissue or anything. I certainly was surprised at how much riding he was doing but I guess the medicos know their stuff.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

I'm not complaining about Jacobs leaving - not the fact he left, not the trade we got.

That has nothing to do with it.

I just refuse to believe that we would not have replaced him (be it through a trade or draft....far more likely draft) if we knew Kreuz had suffered a setback & Hammer was struggling with his knee, leaving us effectively with 1 fit ruckman in Warnock who has spent a year out of the game not long ago.

Yes we drafted tall and that's great, but it's largely irrelevant to this discussion as none of them are ruckmen.

You are right that the MC is trying to mould Levi into a ruckman, but we all know he's a mile off it. The MC would be well aware of it, and wouldn't have not recruited a ruckman because Levi is developing.

Agree on Hampson - his time is now. Showed great promise in 2009 in the ruck. I'm confident he'll do well if given the opportunity, and if this rumour turns out to be true, I'm sure he'll get plenty of games.

What you're saying just isn't logical.

Considering then the concern would be for this 2011 season, any ruck drafted would need to have the ability to make an immediate impact.

We wouldn't have used a high draft pick to address this problem, so what rookie selection is going to be clearly ahead of someone like Levi/Setanta to make it worthwhile?

I'm sure we'd like to get another ruckmen onto our list and developing regardless, so if we couldn't even rate any this year worthy of our last rookie pick, then there obviously wasn't going to be anyone that would be a better backup option than what we already have.

A delayed mid year return wouldn't be concern enough to add a list clogger.

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

Didn't Kreuz do his huge bike-ride at the end of last year ??? There is NO WAY he would do THAT much riding if he had a recent set-back ...............


Kreuzer to Ride for Youth

Coryne riding impact is totally different to running impact...

Referring to what blue gunslinger suggested, it was only a minor set back, which still allowed him to do that ride.

Ive been told a round 7-10 return with the seniors is more than likely, having played a handful of games with the Ants. No too distressed about that tbh. Will give us the opportunity to see what Hampson is made of as well as showcasing 206. (By years end he will be one of the most dominant ruckman in the comp. He is flying atm. Lets hope injuries stay away).

 

[Pafloyul]

I thought it was common knowledge, I remember reading it in an article somewhere.

 

[coryne]

Coryne riding impact is totally different to running impact...

Referring to what blue gunslinger suggested, it was only a minor set back, which still allowed him to do that ride.

Ive been told a round 7-10 return with the seniors is more than likely, having played a handful of games with the Ants. No too distressed about that tbh. Will give us the opportunity to see what Hampson is made of as well as showcasing 206. (By years end he will be one of the most dominant ruckman in the comp. He is flying atm. Lets hope injuries stay away).

I still find it strange that in September he has had surgery on a knee he just had a reco on, then he heads off on a bike ride from Bendigo to Bathurst on the 4th of October. I mean even a small arthroscopic procedure norm takes a couple of weeks to recover from on a relatively health knee, let alone one being rested back to full health after a knee reco.

I am not saying it's not true, just sounds weird they would risk it IMO. Anyway a rd 7-11 come-back, after a couple of games in the Ant's, isn't the end of the world IMO as long as he comes back 100% (and not a moment before then !!!!!!!!)

 

[blue gunslinger]

I still find it strange that in September he has had surgery on a knee he just had a reco on, then he heads off on a bike ride from Bendigo to Bathurst on the 4th of October. I mean even a small arthroscopic procedure norm takes a couple of weeks to recover from on a relatively health knee, let alone one being rested back to full health after a knee reco.

I am not saying it's not true, just sounds weird they would risk it IMO. Anyway a rd 7-11 come-back, after a couple of games in the Ant's, isn't the end of the world IMO as long as he comes back 100% (and not a moment before then !!!!!!!!)

usually in the rehab they get you on the spin bike anyway so not that different. Still the forces through the knee riding are so different to running. The knee joint itself goes through an unnatural movement pattern riding. Our bodies were not designed to ride bikes. I guess they were trying to maintain the muscular integrity with little loading. Low gear high cadence.

 

[coryne]

usually in the rehab they get you on the spin bike anyway so not that different. Still the forces through the knee riding are so different to running. The knee joint itself goes through an unnatural movement pattern riding. Our bodies were not designed to ride bikes. I guess they were trying to maintain the muscular integrity with little loading. Low gear high cadence.

Yeah but the trip would also be AT LEAST a couple of hours of riding a day + the chance of injury riding on the open road apposed to riding a stationary bike


Anyway, as long as Kreuzer comes back 100% I don't really mind how long it takes or what rehab was used.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Yeah but the trip would also be AT LEAST a couple of hours of riding a day + the chance of injury riding on the open road apposed to riding a stationary bike


Anyway, as long as Kreuzer comes back 100% I don't really mind how long it takes or what rehab was used.

I diagree- stationary bikes you never really rest eg go down hill and really push harder whereas doing a long distance road ride you can get off the cleats eg down hill and you "pace" yourself home much more. With tri training we use stationary trainers to really train for power and load up the legs and the road for endurance training. i think power training would be where you would risk blowing the knee out more so than the wear and tear of a long distance.
I still think swimming would be a better option and hey didn't the spirit of carlton buy the team that zero gravity treadmill for a reason!

 

[ESKIE]

Mark Stevens reckons the rumour is the Lions want to get rid of Fev and the AFL are happy to oblige

Rumours continued to swirl yesterday that the AFL wants Fevola out and Lions are happy to oblige.
Sources are convinced that only money remains the sticking point.
Apparently the Lions want a "chop out" from the league so the entire $1.5 million payout does not provide such a sting to the salary cap and bottom line

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...d-brendan-fevola/story-e6frf9jf-1226008393259

So how can they do this, what does chop out from the league mean?

Is this outrageous or am I misreading?

 

[Blue and Silver]

My guess that if it is true the league will look to charge Fevola with "bringing the game into disrepute" (which you can't really deny, but it is a BS charge they bring up when they want to get rid of someone). He then gets de-registered and the Lions only have to play a portion of his remaining contract.

That would be the most likely option. Hope not though, Fev doesn't need any more abandonment, guy is an idiot, but he isn't a horrible person and doesn't deserve to get boned like that, Brisbane knew what could happen when they traded for him.

 

[HBF]

Not that i'm complaining given we got Lucas and Henderson out of the Fevola deal, but seriously, hadn't they heard of buyer beware!?

 

[Blueboys7]

Rumour has it that Essendon have rocketed up to a premiership chance after tonights showing.

 

[Dramoth]

Rumour has it that Essendon have rocketed up to a premiership chance after tonights showing.

Playing against Brisvegas, who are a complete shambles these days, and the Aint's who have had a shocking pre-season with all the controversy.

Bunch of wannabe players who will be shown up come the season proper.

Here is my rumour for the evening - GWS if they cant get Smurph and 1AW will try for and get Thornton.

Good on them

 

[serenityNow]

Rumor.....

Carlton officials (Swan & Sticks i'm told) will have a short meeting with the whole playing group to discuss Brendon Fevola.
Now that Brendon will have more time on his hands and a move back to melbourne will most likely be on the cards, officials don't want players being distracted by him or getting caught up with him.

 

[Crippa#9]

Rumor.....

Carlton officials (Swan & Sticks i'm told) will have a short meeting with the whole playing group to discuss Brendon Fevola.
Now that Brendon will have more time on his hands and a move back to melbourne will most likely be on the cards, officials don't want players being distracted by him or getting caught up with him.

Mates are mates and I would like to think our boys are there to support Fev if he asked for it.

That's what good mates do.

Sure Fev is a lunatic i accept that and I agree with the decision that the club had to part ways but let's not forget the good things that Fev brought to this club...

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Mates are mates and I would like to think our boys are there to support Fev if he asked for it.

Bullshit!

Mates are what friends aren't.

Fevola lead our young boys astray and got them into one too many off-field complications. Fev gave absolutely no regard for the image of the club and therefore the players, supposedly his mates.

He made their off-field lives a living hell by way of the disproportionate scrutiny the media afforded them every time he slipped up.

Stay the **** away from him.

He might have had mates when he left Carlton, but I doubt he had any friends.

Good friends would best be served by severing ties and trying to teach him a lesson that he desperately needs.

Fev needs to deal with his wife and children first and foremost, and patching up those relationships will take far longer than any of our players' AFL careers.

 

[thylacine60]

Young men, inexperienced as they are, still have choices. No-one gets led astray unless they want to be.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

All young men 'want' to be led astray - Without the influence there to do so, they are infinitely less likely to do so.

A real friend won't (persistently) lead friends astray.

With that said, I'm not sure he's ever directly influenced another Blue boy to do anything particularly stupid. Nevertheless, he showed no respect for these supposed friendships, no respect for his friends.

 

[Crippa#9]

Bullshit!

Mates are what friends aren't.

Fevola lead our young boys astray and got them into one too many off-field complications. Fev gave absolutely no regard for the image of the club and therefore the players, supposedly his mates.

He made their off-field lives a living hell by way of the disproportionate scrutiny the media afforded them every time he slipped up.

Stay the **** away from him.

He might have had mates when he left Carlton, but I doubt he had any friends.

Good friends would best be served by severing ties and trying to teach him a lesson that he desperately needs.

Fev needs to deal with his wife and children first and foremost, and patching up those relationships will take far longer than any of our players' AFL careers.

Your a fool!

Fev was one of the most liked blokes at the club...unfortunately he let himself down when he got on the sauce, I dont think he led our young blokes astray at all as you suggest...

The guy is a ill. He has debts, a drinking problem and has lost his family and job and as a consequence is suffering depression...I would like to think our blokes have the dignity in them to be there if a mate asked for it .............but obviously your not like that BTP?

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Your a fool!

Now, now!

Fev was one of the most liked blokes at the club...unfortunately he let himself down when he got on the sauce, I dont think he led our young blokes astray at all as you suggest...

I've heard numerous times, the exact opposite. Do remember though, that, being liked is not having friends.

Providing a poor example is leading enough - Thankfully, on the balance, our young blokes didn't take his lead. This is unquantifiable, obviously, but there is something to be said for looking after your friends by helping keep them out of trouble, rather than being the one most likely to get them into it.

The guy is a ill. He has debts, a drinking problem and has lost his family and job and as a consequence is suffering depression...I would like to think our blokes have the dignity in them to be there if a mate asked for it .............

He has been given every opportunity to correct these whilst at the Blues, but proceeded to call our captain, supposedly his "mate", "****ing shit" in front of the AFL media, embroil numerous other teammates in his petulant behaviour, and consequently alienate the playing group.

His illness is best something he works through with his wife and children, with whom, we have witnessed in the past, are the real antidote to this situation. Whenever he has been on good terms with his family, he has been in a good space mentally.

What you seek for Fevola is a means to stop the symptoms.

His family, IMO, will help provide the cure.

but obviously your not like that BTP?

Sorry, mate. Here is not the place to pass personal judgements.

Though I would like to know your age out of curiousity - not passing judgement one way or the other.

 

[Crippa#9]

I accept your stand on the guy BTP & I apologise for the 'fool' comment.

Not all players are born of the same mould though. Fevola is lunatic and a compulsive lier and rightly so was sacked for not towing the line. However, No matter his indiscretions and misdemeanours, Fevola did alot of good things for this club which should be acknowledged....and in future hopefully applauded. Sound naive? Maybe so, but for what he did for this club he deserves more respect than this rumor suggestion.

In this day & age everything the AFL instill into these young players is a wonderful thing. I, personally, would be sorry if the club said to the players, many of which i would think still regard Brendan as a friend, to stay away from him. Fundamentally it goes against everything they're taught about the values of supporting your mates...particular when their in a dark place.

Just my two bob's worth.

Age 25.