Russell or Browne?

[gbatman]

Who would you rather be in the Carlton 22?

Russell or Browne?

Browne
Pros
Hard at the contest, very physical, skillfull, strong, seems to find ways to kick goals consistantly when played forward, has a good footy brain which is evident of his ability to play the back flank so well.

Cons
Not all that quick but not slow either.

Russell
Pros
An athlete they are trying to turn into a footballer. Speed. Good hands overhead. Could be slightly improving.

Cons
No footy brain, doesn't read the game, his team mates or opponents well. Doesn't run to the right places at the right time. Kicking isn't great. Handpasssing is not much good. Turning circle and ball handling below his knees is not great. His motivational levels are all over the place, some times he looks great and goes very hard and other times he goes missing and doesn't go as hard at the contests.

My answer
Browne for me, Russell is a player who looks good when we are going well but when the game is very even and there to be won he's poor (like Cloke). We need players who won't let us down when we play good sides and that's what we will be doing in finals. Players who perform poorly in big games are called passengers.

IMO these two play the same role and I think Browne would be the better option. Thoughts?

 

[Team Mo']

Jeez talk about a biased write up.

Russel doesn't deserve to be dropped at this moment so I'll say him. As do the match committee.

 

[Jeremias]

Russell is a better footballer at the moment and is more useful to us. That's why he's in the team.

Stop with the irrational JR hating. That was the "in" thing to do last year. You missed the boat.

 

[celtic_pride]

The Browne Dog by the length of the Flemington Straight ...

 

[gbatman]

Russell gives us athleticism and a marking option, if he was dropped that would be a bit of a loss, perhaps we wouldn't get enough out of Browne to make up for this... Still this is the Footballer V Athlete debate.

 

[Monkey King]

Jeez talk about a biased write up.

Had to laugh at the end when the OP announced his choice was Browne. Did it need to be said?

 

[mickelboy182]

Who would you rather be in the Carlton 22?



Browne


Cons
Not all that quick but not slow either.

I seem to remember Browne running a fairly decent time in the 20m sprints. Something like 2.91. I think he may be a fair bit faster than a lot of people give him credit for.

 

[Silvagnis]

**** BigFooty.

There are enough Muppets on here to fill the cast of another three series of that TV show.

 

[a1118374]

lol, Russell for me. Gotta keep the haters down.

 

[Sam The Doc]

russooo..why waste 28+ consecutive games on a player only to drop him after an ok performance

 

[Azul]

Oh wow, another "one of my favourite players is in the Bullants, let's construct an argument as to why Russell deserves to be dropped" thread.

Browne made a promising debut last year but lets not kid ourselves that he's an automatic selection in our best 22. I could even pick several players from the weekend's Bullants team who on current form deserve promotion before him.

Browne will get his chance in time...

 

[fnm_just a man]

Cons
No footy brain, doesn't read the game, his team mates or opponents well. Doesn't run to the right places at the right time. Kicking isn't great. Handpasssing is not much good. Turning circle and ball handling below his knees is not great. His motivational levels are all over the place, some times he looks great and goes very hard and other times he goes missing and doesn't go as hard at the contests.

Wrong... He is one of the best if not THE best at picking up the half-volley....trust me, I've taken notice of it and discussed it with others.

...and the rest is debatable.

 

[Malifice]

Browne
Pros
Hard at the contest, very physical, skillfull, strong, seems to find ways to kick goals consistantly when played forward, has a good footy brain which is evident of his ability to play the back flank so well.

Cons
Not all that quick but not slow either.

Russell
Pros
An athlete they are trying to turn into a footballer. Speed. Good hands overhead. Could be slightly improving.

Cons
No footy brain, doesn't read the game, his team mates or opponents well. Doesn't run to the right places at the right time. Kicking isn't great. Handpasssing is not much good. Turning circle and ball handling below his knees is not great. His motivational levels are all over the place, some times he looks great and goes very hard and other times he goes missing and doesn't go as hard at the contests.

Ok so its between:

A hard, physical, highly skilled, strong, smart goal kicker who's only downside is he isnt slow?

VS

A fast but stupid and selfish squib, who cant turn around or pick up a ball, lacks motivation and cant kick or handpass.

Hmmm - I'm torn TBH...



Biased much?

 

[Koutafidamedis]

Who would you rather be in the Carlton 22?

Russell or Browne?

Browne
Pros
Hard at the contest, very physical, skillfull, strong, seems to find ways to kick goals consistantly when played forward, has a good footy brain which is evident of his ability to play the back flank so well.

4 goals in 13 games is not what I would call kicking goals consistently.

 

[gbatman]

oh dear, this is a sensative issue for some. Probably been a bit harsh. Probably comparing him to the cream of our side in this write up. I am still unsure if he is a better option than Browne though, just thought i'd discuss it here. A few things he did/didn't do on the weekend just weren't great to understate it. Let's hope he's worth the waite. Russell's potential is huge but when is he going to get there is another step. I suppose he is now at least performing against the lesser sides, maby it wont be that long until he performs against the better sides.

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

oh dear, this is a sensative issue for some. Probably been a bit harsh. Probably comparing him to the cream of our side in this write up. I am still unsure if he is a better option than Browne though, just thought i'd discuss it here. A few things he did/didn't do on the weekend just weren't great to understate it. Let's hope he's worth the waite. Russell's potential is huge but when is he going to get there is another step. I suppose he is now at least performing against the lesser sides, maby it wont be that long until he performs against the better sides.

Don't think you meant the post as bad as it came across, but in trying to convince people of your view, your analysis was particularly one sided.

Ignoring your biased analysis I too want to see Browne given a run soonish to see what he offers - I really like his poise, kicking and decision making under pressure - critical skills in the current game. He could be a player type that offers more in the AFL than VFL due to his skillset, i.e. the faster the game the more his decision making and poise become an asset.

Russell just isn't the one to make way at this stage - he played incredible two weeks ago and that alone deserves a run of games! I still understand some of the negative posts associated with this player - did nothing for four year - didnt even give a yelp and is still prone to some really bad mistakes. People will naturally lay off him when he puts more good/great games together - until then, he is fair game.

 

[FRUMPY]

Russell and Browne play totally different roles.

Russell is a HFF who gets negating roles but also has a role as a leadup forward and doing it pretty well this year. Browne would be a back pocket or maybe a negating mid/forward. He doesnt have the leadup capabilities of Russell.

I was a fan of Browne this year, but Armfield and Joseph has his role at the moment.

But geez it was funny that opening post. Basically saying i love Browne and hate Russell and tries to justify it by being unbiased, lol

 

[bLuEbOy1984]

RUSSELL... i belive in that kid...

 

[Weiterbot23]

Between all the die hard Russell defenders on here and all the faith the MC show in this kid I am totally confussed!

I seriously can't see what you see!

All I see is a clanger machine, everything he does is poor! I can't believe how hard some players have to work for an opportunity and how easily Russell gets selected regardless of performance. Watching the replay of the hawks game last night just confirmed to me how useless he is.

I would prefer Browne, Hadley, Grigg, Bannister, Fisher ahead of him.

Only Bentley performed worse on Saturday and although we nearly won, we had some massive passengers that really let us down.


However, no matter how badley he plays or how many brain explosions he has during a game, people on here still are all over him and the MC still select him.........

What is so good about Russell????? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! FILL ME IN!!!

 

[celtic_pride]

Browne shown enough last year to prove to me, that he is going to be a very servicable player, may not a star or an 'elite' player, but he really is an composed player, who should be playing in the Carlton side right now IMHO.
However I can't see Russell (rightly or wrongly) being dropped anytime soon, so one would suspect it would have to be another youngster on the fringe like Armfield, who would be dropped (assuming no more injuries hopefully) for Browne to be given a game.

 

[Jeremias]

Between all the die hard Russell defenders on here and all the faith the MC show in this kid I am totally confussed!

I seriously can't see what you see!

All I see is a clanger machine, everything he does is poor! I can't believe how hard some players have to work for an opportunity and how easily Russell gets selected regardless of performance. Watching the replay of the hawks game last night just confirmed to me how useless he is.

I would prefer Browne, Hadley, Grigg, Bannister, Fisher ahead of him.

Only Bentley performed worse on Saturday and although we nearly won, we had some massive passengers that really let us down.


However, no matter how badley he plays or how many brain explosions he has during a game, people on here still are all over him and the MC still select him.........

What is so good about Russell????? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! FILL ME IN!!!

I'm not going to fill you in, and I urge others not to.

Communitcating with you on this issue is like banging my head against a brick wall. It is completely pointless.

My only advice to you would be to actually watch the roles that our players are given during matches. It might be beyond you but this is the only way that you will be able to see what Russell does during games, and the value he adds to our side.

Until then you will only continue to show yourself as an ignorant fool.

You may actually get along with Man City Blues!.

 

[gbatman]

Russell does provide more than Cloke to the team I think. The reason the MC want him in and want him to do well is because he has a perfect build for a footballer, is a great athlete, is strong and powerful and a penetrating kick. They believe if they can teach this guy to play they will have something wonderful. If they can teach him to play they will be right, if they can't they will be wrong. They want him to succeed pretty bad.

There are signs he's worth a game for the long term, definitely, but in the short term there remains questions as to why. I think the clubs plan is to win a flag next year and beyond, they know we aren't ready yet, and if by getting as much into Russell as possible now, he might be ready and a good player by the time the team is ready.

On Browne he is mentally ahead of Russell. But he doesn't have the physical attributes that Russell has. He does appear to play well as a half forward but he's a different half forward to Russell. He is better at ground level but Russell is a better lead up forward. Carrazzo will be our defencive forward and he will do that job quite well.

It's really a matter of what you think the club needs...

 

[Beloved]

Russell is a better footballer at the moment and is more useful to us. That's why he's in the team.

Stop with the irrational JR hating. That was the "in" thing to do last year. You missed the boat.

My thoughts exactly.

Because the opening post isn't biased at all.

 

[blueblooded]

Between all the die hard Russell defenders on here and all the faith the MC show in this kid I am totally confussed!

I seriously can't see what you see!

All I see is a clanger machine, everything he does is poor! I can't believe how hard some players have to work for an opportunity and how easily Russell gets selected regardless of performance. Watching the replay of the hawks game last night just confirmed to me how useless he is.

I would prefer Browne, Hadley, Grigg, Bannister, Fisher ahead of him.

Only Bentley performed worse on Saturday and although we nearly won, we had some massive passengers that really let us down.


However, no matter how badley he plays or how many brain explosions he has during a game, people on here still are all over him and the MC still select him.........

What is so good about Russell????? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!! FILL ME IN!!!

Don't know what game you were watching pal but he was far from our worst performer on the weekend, those balls that came to him that he missed were absolute shocking kicks, that were not half volleys or far enough in front of him that he could sit back and wait for it to bounce to him. He made the right decision to try and trap the football on two occassions and both times the kicks from his teammates hung him out to dry...i said after it happened at the game that it wasnt JR's fault and the replays proved that for me. Its easy to sit and bag 1 player out of the game, I don't see or hear anyone bagging Gibbs for missing targets early in the game or Murphy for giving off 1 or 2 hospital handpasses under pressure..they make mistakes too. Jordan Russell is one of our most improved players this season and i feel with a bit more confidence from the supporter base and the general public he'll have the confidence to take it to another level

having spoken to JR recently about his football when i encountered him and a few of the boys on the town i was amazed to learn how well he knew of the level of criticism he receives from the supporter base and you could just tell it had an effect on his confidence to take the game on and play to his strengths in fear of being ridiculed for making a mistake. The level of improvement this year i think has been largely due to the faith the MC committee have shown in him and if he keeps improving at this rate i think he'll be more than a handy player.

All the best JR!

 

[Salaryman]

What's this, a sensible Celtics fan??? And here I was thinking there was some correlation