Saints v Hawthorn (recent history)

[Kildonan]

The Saints don't have a wonderful record against any team in the AFL.
Our record against each club may not be anything special to write home about, (we have a positive win / loss ratio with only a few clubs) but we are addressing the inequity right now.

We have a good recent history against the Hawks and we need to maintain that for a while longer so that we can even the ledger and turn it into our favour.

Head to head: Hawthorn 72 wins, St Kilda 68 wins, 1 draw.

Last time: St Kilda 18.17 (125) d Hawthorn 8.7 (55) round 13, 2006, at Telstra Dome.

Last 6 meetings:
1 2006 13 St Kilda 18.17 (125) vs Hawthorn 8.7 (55) TD WON 70
2 2005 12 St Kilda 15.10 (100) vs Hawthorn 8.6 (54) MCG WON 46
3 2004 13 St Kilda 19.13 (127) vs Hawthorn 9.7 (61) TD WON 66
4 2003 10 St Kilda 17.16 (118) vs Hawthorn 14.6 (90) MCG WON 28
5 2002 13 St Kilda 11.12 (78) vs Hawthorn 13.9 (87) TD Lost -9
6 2001 22 St Kilda 13.11 (89) vs Hawthorn 13.9 (87) MCG WON 2

 

[sauce_head]

That must surely be one of our best records against the "older" clubs!

 

[Kildonan]

#   Against    First Last Pl  W   L D Win % 
 1 Bris Bears  1987 1996  15  9   6 0 60.00 
 2 University  1908 1914  14  8   6 0 57.14 
 3 Footscray   1925 2007 141 71  68 2 51.06 
 4 Nth Melb    1925 2006 141 70  69 2 50.35 
 5 Hawthorn    1925 2006 141 68  72 1 48.58 
 6 Fitzroy     1897 1996 183 77 105 1 42.35 
 7 Fremantle   1995 2006  17  7  10 0 41.18 
 8 West Coast  1987 2006  31 12  18 1 40.32 
 9 Geelong     1897 2006 198 79 119 0 39.90 
10 Melbourne   1897 2007 197 78 118 1 39.85 
11 Richmond    1908 2006 167 63 102 2 38.32 
12 Port Adel   1997 2007  16  6  10 0 37.50 
13 Sth Melb    1897 2007 198 72 123 3 37.12 
14 Adelaide    1991 2006  26  9  16 1 36.54 
15 Bris Lions  1997 2007  20  7  13 0 35.00 
16 Essendon    1897 2007 198 60 134 4 31.31 
17 Collingwood 1897 2006 200 53 146 1 26.75 
18 Carlton     1897 2007 201 43 156 2 21.89

 

[Fehring]

#   Against    First Last Pl  W   L D Win % 
 1 Bris Bears  1987 1996  15  9   6 0 60.00 
 2 University  1908 1914  14  8   6 0 57.14 
 3 Footscray   1925 2007 141 71  68 2 51.06 
 4 Nth Melb    1925 2006 141 70  69 2 50.35 
 5 Hawthorn    1925 2006 141 68  72 1 48.58 
 6 Fitzroy     1897 1996 183 77 105 1 42.35 
 7 Fremantle   1995 2006  17  7  10 0 41.18 
 8 West Coast  1987 2006  31 12  18 1 40.32 
 9 Geelong     1897 2006 198 79 119 0 39.90 
10 Melbourne   1897 2007 197 78 118 1 39.85 
11 Richmond    1908 2006 167 63 102 2 38.32 
12 Port Adel   1997 2007  16  6  10 0 37.50 
13 Sth Melb    1897 2007 198 72 123 3 37.12 
14 Adelaide    1991 2006  26  9  16 1 36.54 
15 Bris Lions  1997 2007  20  7  13 0 35.00 
16 Essendon    1897 2007 198 60 134 4 31.31 
17 Collingwood 1897 2006 200 53 146 1 26.75 
18 Carlton     1897 2007 201 43 156 2 21.89

Another 80 years and that ledger against Carlton will finally be square.

 

[Herbs hawks]

Great Stats, where could i find them for the Hawks Records.

The one on the bottom is incredible against Carlton, mind you Hawthorn's would not be much better. Is that the 21.89% the worst in the leauge vs Any team?

 

[bubblegoose]

I still cringe when I think about the game out at Waverley in 1999 when the hawks came back from nowhere to beat us. At half time my mates & I were so pumped up, full to the eyeballs, reeling off slogans, singing the song & eyeing off a definite finals series appearance.

Rd 12 1999
St Kilda 9.4 11.6 14.7 14.12 (96)
Hawthorn 1.1 4.4 14.4 17.7 (109)

I think we started on a slide out of the 8 from that game. Hurt us mentally.

 

[sainter]

Great Stats, where could i find them for the Hawks Records.

The one on the bottom is incredible against Carlton, mind you Hawthorn's would not be much better. Is that the 21.89% the worst in the leauge vs Any team?

We've won the last 8 games straight against Carlton as well so it was much worse than that.

 

[shotta]

#   Against    First Last Pl  W   L D Win % 
 1 Bris Bears  1987 1996  15  9   6 0 60.00 
 2 University  1908 1914  14  8   6 0 57.14 
 3 Footscray   1925 2007 141 71  68 2 51.06 
 4 Nth Melb    1925 2006 141 70  69 2 50.35 
 5 Hawthorn    1925 2006 141 68  72 1 48.58 
 6 Fitzroy     1897 1996 183 77 105 1 42.35 
 7 Fremantle   1995 2006  17  7  10 0 41.18 
 8 West Coast  1987 2006  31 12  18 1 40.32 
 9 Geelong     1897 2006 198 79 119 0 39.90 
10 Melbourne   1897 2007 197 78 118 1 39.85 
11 Richmond    1908 2006 167 63 102 2 38.32 
12 Port Adel   1997 2007  16  6  10 0 37.50 
13 Sth Melb    1897 2007 198 72 123 3 37.12 
14 Adelaide    1991 2006  26  9  16 1 36.54 
15 Bris Lions  1997 2007  20  7  13 0 35.00 
16 Essendon    1897 2007 198 60 134 4 31.31 
17 Collingwood 1897 2006 200 53 146 1 26.75 
18 Carlton     1897 2007 201 43 156 2 21.89

hard to believe the saints have a negative record against every team left in the comp,no bears, no north melbourne, no footscray no university are you in the positives with the bulldogs or kangaroos? youd have to be no one surely could have a 100% losing record

 

[Kildonan]

hard to believe the saints have a negative record against every team left in the comp,no bears, no north melbourne, no footscray no university are you in the positives with the bulldogs or kangaroos? youd have to be no one surely could have a 100% losing record

The clue is to check the first and last columns.

Footscray includes Western Bulldogs matches.
North Melbourne includes Kangaroos matches.
South Melbourne includes Sydney matches.

So yeah there are only 2 current clubs that we have a positive win / loss record against.

Another way to look at it is to remove the clubs no longer existing in AFL:

1 Bris Bears 1987 1996 15 9 6 0 60.00
2 University 1908 1914 14 8 6 0 57.14
6 Fitzroy 1897 1996 183 77 105 1 42.35

and adjust the table to show how many wins ahead of / behind even (0) the other clubs are:

[B]Against    First Last Pl  W   L  D Difference[/B] 

Footscray   1925 2007 141 71  68  2   3
Nth Melb    1925 2006 141 70  69  2   1
                                      [B]0[/B]
Fremantle   1995 2006  17  7  10  0   [COLOR="Red"]3[/COLOR] 
Hawthorn    1925 2006 141 68  72  1   [COLOR="red"]4[/COLOR]
Port Adel   1997 2007  16  6  10  0   [COLOR="Red"]4[/COLOR]
West Coast  1987 2006  31 12  18  1   [COLOR="red"]6[/COLOR]
Bris Lions  1997 2007  20  7  13  0   [COLOR="Red"]6[/COLOR]
Adelaide    1991 2006  26  9  16  1   [COLOR="red"]7[/COLOR]

Richmond    1908 2006 167 63 102  2  [COLOR="Red"]39[/COLOR]  
Geelong     1897 2006 198 79 119  0  [COLOR="Red"]40[/COLOR]
Melbourne   1897 2007 197 78 118  1  [COLOR="Red"]40[/COLOR] 
Sth Melb    1897 2007 198 72 123  3  [COLOR="Red"]51[/COLOR]   
Essendon    1897 2007 198 60 134  4  [COLOR="Red"]74[/COLOR]  
Collingwood 1897 2006 200 53 146  1  [COLOR="Red"]93[/COLOR]  
Carlton     1897 2007 201 43 156  2 [COLOR="Red"]113[/COLOR]

 

[sauce_head]

While we are doing historical stats, here is one I produced recently (sorry about format in Big Footy) to try and prove a point. It didn't though...

Rank	[B]Team[/B]	  Competition entry	exit	Years in Competition	Premierships Won	[B]Strike Rate[/B]

1	[B]West Coast[/B]	       1987	-	 20	 3	[B]15.0%[/B]
2	[B]Carlton[/B]	               1896	-	111	16	[B]14.4%[/B]
3	[B]Essendon[/B]	       1896	-	111	16	[B]14.4%[/B]
4	[B]Adelaide[/B]	       1991	-	 16	 2	[B]12.5%[/B]
5	[B]Collingwood[/B]	       1896	-	111	14	[B]12.6%[/B]
6	[B]Port Adelaide[/B]	       1997	-	 10	 1	[B]10.0%[/B]
7	[B]Hawthorn[/B]               1925	-	 82	 9	[B]11.0%[/B]
8	[B]Melbourne[/B]	       1896	-	111	12	[B]10.8%[/B]
9	[B]Richmond[/B]	       1908	-	 99	10	[B]10.1%[/B]
10	[B]Fitzroy/Brisbane[/B]       1896	 -	111	11	[B]9.9%[/B]
11	[B]Geelong[/B]	               1896	-	111	 6	[B]5.4%[/B]
12	[B]North Melbourne[/B]	       1925	-	 82	 4	[B]4.9%[/B]
13	[B]South Melbourne/Sydney[/B] 1896	-	111	 4	[B]3.6%[/B]
14	[B]Footscray/Western Bull[/B] 1925	-	 82	 1	[B]1.2%[/B]
15	[B]St Kilda[/B]	       1896	-	111	 1	[B]0.9%[/B]
16	[B]Fremantle[/B]	       1995	-	 12	 0	[B]0.0%[/B]
17	[B]University[/B]	       1908	1914	  7	 0	[B]0.0%[/B]