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Just a little collection so we can add balance to any salary cap discussion.

We are constantly told that we are repeat offenders (and we are) but let's gather the degree of offense and other teams offenses all in one place shall we.

I'll take the more comprehensive account from Wiki and start filling in some blanks.

The following breaches of the salary cap have occurred:

In 1987 (the cap's first year) Sydney were fined the maximum amount of $20,000 and forfeited a first round draft pick after being found to have almost doubled the cap with a payroll of $2.4 million.

1991 - Sydney

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php?page=Greg+Williams

Before he could pull on the famous number 2 guernsey for the Blues, however, there was one more ordeal that Diesel had to face. As part of their efforts to keep him in the Harbour City, the Swans had complained to the AFL that Williams had breached his contract by negotiating his switch to a rival club while he was still a registered Swans player. The AFL agreed to examine the matter, and promptly found that for some time, Williams – with the full knowledge and agreement of the Swans – had been receiving ‘under the counter’ extra payments of around $65,000 per year direct from one of the club’s major sponsors. Furthermore, Williams had signed a statutory declaration (as required by the standard player contract) that did not disclose these payments.

In a curious move by the AFL, both the Swans and Williams were charged with bringing the game into disrepute, and summonsed to a judicial hearing. Each party pleaded guilty. Sydney was fined $50,000, with half suspended on a good-behaviour bond for two years.

Williams - who claimed that he had simply done as he was asked, and signed a form placed under his nose by a former club chairman – was also fined $25,000 - and deregistered by the AFL for eleven weeks! It was a savage penalty that stunned even the most vehement of Carlton-haters, and brought protests from all quarters. But in the end, the idea of a protracted and expensive appeal was shelved, while Diesel and the Blues looked forward to his long-delayed first senior match.

In 1992, Hawthorn was fined $28,500 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.

In 1993, three clubs were fined for minor breaches: Western Bulldogs ($2,700), Carlton ($10,000) and Melbourne ($13,500).

In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after documents relating to contract and financial details were lost by club officials. Sydney had to play the season two players short as a result of these errors.

In 1996, Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each) were all fined for minor breaches. Essendon were fined a record total of $388,000 and excluded from the pre-season and rookie drafts and the first two rounds of the National Draft.

In 1998, Geelong were fined $77,000, Collingwood were fined $47,500 and Richmond were fined $21,000; all three clubs were debarred from the preseason draft. Hawthorn were fined $45,000, and the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and also forfeited a draft pick.

In 1999, Carlton were fined $44,000 and barred from the pre-season draft. Melbourne were fined a record $600,000 and barred from the first three rounds of the 2000 draft, while Fremantle were handed their first round selection from the 1999 draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne.

AAP Sports News (Australia)
12-07-1998
AFL: Carlton fines for cap breach

MELBOURNE, Dec 7 AAP - Carlton was fined $43,820 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season
draft for breaching the salary cap, the AFL said today.

An AFL investigation revealed breaches through incorrect estimates relating to incentive
payments and players bonuses, best and fairest and injury payments.


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-21418922.html


In 2000, Richmond were fined $10,000 for a minor breach, Fremantle were fined $54,000 and were barred from the 2001 pre-season draft, and North Melbourne were fined $20,000 and Melbourne fined $5000 for minor breaches.

Plus this one that Wiki missed:

AAP Sports News (Australia)
10-31-2000
AFL: Blues to miss out on pre season draft for salary breaches

By Paul Gough

MELBOURNE, Oct 31 AAP - Carlton was banned from participating in December's AFL pre-season draft after being found guilty of salary cap breaches today.

AFL football operations manager Andrew Demetriou said the Blues had also been fined $172,728 for breaching the total player payments in the 1998 season.

However, a third of that amount, $57,576, will be suspended provided Carlton is not involved in a further breach of the player rules before the end of the 2003 season.


In 2002, Carlton was found to have systematically rorted the regulations between 1994 and 2001. The club was fined an unprecedented total of $987,000, banned from receiving priority picks and barred from the first two rounds of the national draft for two years. The club sunk to the bottom of the league and experienced its toughest years as it recovered both on-field and off-field from these significant penalties.

In 2003, Essendon were fined $85,000 for a minor breach. The Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for minor salary cap breaches in 2000-2002.

In 2005, St. Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach.

In 2008, Adelaide were fined $20,000 when a player failed to notify the club and the league of personal arrangements made with club associates before the reporting deadline. St. Kilda were also fined $10,000 for a minor breach.

Now there are plenty of repeat offenders out there but we all of our breaches are brought up when discussing the serial nature of our offenses. Based on this, it was the 2000 breach that lead to the 2002 penalties because of the suspended sentence.

The breach in 1998 was a minor and unintentional one.

Would I be right in recalling that the 2000 breaches related to Craig Bradley?
 
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Have found a line on Blueseum that says 'NB - Carlton's 1999 Penalty is listed as being due to 'incorrect estimates relating to incentive payments'.

Now the 2000 penalty related to 1999 and on Blueseum the 1999 penalty was said to have been determined in 1998 and related to 1998.

Not sure if we incorrectly estimated incentive payments on both those earlier occasions or the 2000 penalty was for something more sinister.
 
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The SOS and Bradley payments were part of the 2002 penalties, or should I say promised payments as they were arranged but not paid at that time. It was the O'Reilly deception with the trouble we went to to conceal it and the suspended sentence hanging over our heads that caused the damage in 2002.

I have a vague recollection about Bradley breaches in 2000. Might be on BF actually, should do a search.
 

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Definitely a payment to Bradley surrounding the 2000 penalty. There was a lot of noise around at the time that we were repeat offenders (ignoring the non-deliberate nature of the breaches) and outrage that we got mostly a suspended sentence.

In 2002, we ended up getting done for something that occurred before Oct 31 2000 when this breach was decided. Another case of a skeleton in the closet that we should have revealed at the time, rather than let the full effect of the suspended sentence hit us.
 
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I might add that this 'systematic rorting of the regulations between 1994-2001' incorporated breaches we had already been punished for. They did not uncover fresh breaches relating to these years. All they had on us in 2002 was the O'Reilly payment, the Brown refusal to cooperate and the promised payments to Bradley and Silvagni.

Going on this, it seems the serious breaches are the Carlton ones of 2000 and 2002, the Melbourne one of 2000, the Essendon one of 1996, the Sydney one of 1987 (twice the cap? :eek:) and possibly the West Coast one of 1998.
 
ODN, perhaps you should ask Hodgpodge. He has managed to present some interesting tidbits in a completely unbiased manner. He will be weak on the salary cap breaches of other clubs, but he is an expert on ours.
 
ODN, perhaps you should ask Hodgpodge. He has managed to present some interesting tidbits in a completely unbiased manner. He will be weak on the salary cap breaches of other clubs, but he is an expert on ours.

Been beating Puddin 'n Pie and the other Bay 13 flogs repeatedly about the head with this info for months my friend. Good fun balancing the ledger in a rather blunt fashion when yet another sad little ignorant or hypocrite takes a cheap shot at our great club. :D:thumbsu:

Good thread ODN - time to let the facts get in the way of all those 'good' stories out there. ;)
 
Oh come on ODN, it's just more "fun" for most of the un-educated bums on this board to only believe that Carlton have done anything wrong with regards to the Salary Cap. We did the crime, and we have nost certainly done the time. Problem is, there are alot of sheep on this forum, and as soon as one brings it up (again), then the rest will follow.
 
Oh come on ODN, it's just more "fun" for most of the un-educated bums on this board to only believe that Carlton have done anything wrong with regards to the Salary Cap. We did the crime, and we have nost certainly done the time. Problem is, there are alot of sheep on this forum, and as soon as one brings it up (again), then the rest will follow.

And we know who the shepherds are.
 

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"You ****ing intolerant people. Do you ever stop bleating?"
 
Oh come on ODN, it's just more "fun" for most of the un-educated bums on this board to only believe that Carlton have done anything wrong with regards to the Salary Cap. We did the crime, and we have nost certainly done the time. Problem is, there are alot of sheep on this forum, and as soon as one brings it up (again), then the rest will follow.

And we know who the shepherds are.
Can I nominate this ODN bloke for the vacant mod gig. Seems to know his stuff!
 
That's good reading .
I new about the big Swans blunder and a bit about the Essendon stuff , but had no idea about most of the rest .
So , maybe we aren't such a terrible bunch in comparison to other clubs after all .
 

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Didn't one G Williams get deregistered for 6 months when he moved to Carlton due to cheating issues???
 

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