Salopek vs Bateman

[powaflag08]

Who is better.

This just came up because a Hawks supporter was actually trying to say Bateman is better than Salopek and rated Sallo as a C grade player and Bateman as a b grade player pushing on A grade lol.

Here are there 2008 stats


Just for interest sakes.
Salopek
(2008)
7 games
173 disposals (avg of 24.71 per game)
38 contested poss (avg of 5.43 per game)
76.52% effiency rate
53 marks (avg of 7.58 per game)
2 con marks (avg of 0.29 per game)
4 marks IN50 (avg of 0.58 per game)
9 clangers (avg of 1.29 per game)
7 centre clearances (avg of 1 per game)
28 IN50's (avg of 4 per game)
13 reb 50 (avg of 1.86 per game)
4 frees against (avg of 0.58 per game)
12 tackles (avg of 1.71 per game)
8 1%'ers (avg of 1.14 per game)
11 bounces (avg of 1.57 per game)
4 goals (avg of 0.58 per game)
5 goal assists (avg of 0.72 per game)


Bateman (2008)
6 games
129 disp (avg of 21.5 per game)
39 con poss (avg of 6.5 per game)
75.51% efficiency rate
33 marks (avg of 5.5 per game)
4 con marks (avg of 0.66 per game)
2 marks IN50's (avg of 0.33 per game)
14 clangers (avg of 2.33 per game)
15 centre clearances (avg of 2.5 per game)
27 IN50's (avg of 4.5 per game)
9 reb 50's (avg of 1.5 per game)
7 1% er's (avg of 1.17 per game)
6 bounces (avg of 1 per game)
2 goals (avg of 0.33 per game)
9 goal assists (avg of 1.5 per game)
10 frees against (avg of 1.66 per game)
16 tackles (avg of 2.66 per game)

Salopek wins 9 categorys to 7.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Salopek

 

[powaflag08]

Salopek

You didn't vote.

 

[Hodgepodge]

You didn't vote.

Stupid poll

 

[powaflag08]

Stupid poll

WTF did you come in here and say Salopek is better than Bateman then ________.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Good point. I voted now. +1 salopek.

 

[Puddy]

Both good players but Salopek is better.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Stats dont measure how far a man runs during a match, Salopek would do well to cover half the ground bateman does in a game.

 

[aussieicon91]

The guy who started this thread is a hack who goes and starts a new thread because his point get proven wrong in the previous one.

I never said Salopek was a C rated player.

Based on those stats I'd say Bateman is ahead. He wins more contested possessions, contested marks, clearances, inside 50s, more 1%'s, goal assists & tackles although the clangers goes against him.

Salopek's efficiency-rate is just better & his rebounds outside 50 goes in favour of him & getting free for marks.

Bateman.

 

[powaflag08]

Stats dont measure how far a man runs during a match, Salopek would do well to cover half the ground bateman does in a game.

And???

Thats where the stats come in.

 

[powaflag08]

The guy who started this thread is a hack who goes and starts a new thread because his point get proven wrong in the previous one.

I never said Salopek was a C rated player.

Based on those stats I'd say Bateman is ahead. He wins more contested possessions, contested marks, clearances, inside 50s, more 1%'s, goal assists & tackles although the clangers goes against him.

Salopek's efficiency-rate is just better & his rebounds outside 50 goes in favour of him & getting free for marks.

Bateman.

No i admit Cassisi isn't as good as Bateman but you saying Bateman is better than Salopek is a joke and the poll is 7-4 and 3 of Bateman's are Hawks supporters and 2 Port supporters for Salopek so really it is 5-1 in Sally's way.

The stats Bateman leads in are only just ahead of Sally though

He has 1 more con poss per game (little bit), 0.37 more con marks per game (nothing), 0.5 more IN50's per game (nothing), 1.5 more centre clearances (little bit), 0.03 more 1% (almost dead even), 0.77 more goal assists per game (not much) and only 0.89 more tackles per game (not much).

He is no more than 1.5 ahead in all those category's where as Sally has 3 more poss, 2 more marks, 1.1 less clangers, 1.1 less frees against, 0.25 more goals, 0.25 more marks IN50.

So most of Bateman's categorys were extremly close besides CC, with every thing else being <1 per game difference, where as 5 of Sally's wer >1 ahead in difference.

 

[aussieicon91]

It's funny how you know all of these indept details.

Are you getting your mates to vote in favour of you?

Look at your statistics, they clearly show how much more character Bateman has in a game of football then Salopek does ie. 1%'s, tackles, contested possessions, goal assists, inside 50's & clearances.

Salopek's more like Jordan Lewis - a ball reciever.

 

[legitimatic]

Salopek is marginally better but has greater potential than Bateman, who I still think is a very good player.

 

[powaflag08]

Salopek is marginally better but has greater potential than Bateman, who I still think is a very good player.

exactly.

Salopek is only 22 and is already better than Batemand and Bateman is 4 years older.

 

[powaflag08]

It's funny how you know all of these indept details.

Are you getting your mates to vote in favour of you?

Look at your statistics, they clearly show how much more character Bateman has in a game of football then Salopek does ie. 1%'s, tackles, contested possessions, goal assists, inside 50's & clearances.

Salopek's more like Jordan Lewis - a ball reciever.

it's called

hawksfc.com and portfc.com.

Haha good call look at the votes 5 out of your 6 are hawks where as only 3 of 8 are Port for Sally. (you got all your hawks possies voting for bateman)

By the way why did haze.13 vote for Bateman when he said Sally was better in the other thread.

Bit suss.

really is 9-5

 

[aussieicon91]

exactly.

Salopek is only 22 and is already better than Batemand and Bateman is 4 years older.

It's got nothing to do with age. If age was a factor then you could say that Franklin's better then Carey.

If you look at the statistics, the stats the matter the most, Bateman is winning.

 

[powaflag08]

It's got nothing to do with age. If age was a factor then you could say that Franklin's better then Carey.

If you look at the statistics, the stats the matter the most, Bateman is winning.

LOL!!!

Is the game won and lost on stats, argh no.

Sally is much more a team player and is a lot more skillful than Bateman.

even though 5 of your 6 votes have come from 1-eyed hawks supporters Sally is still winning.

 

[Power King]

very confident if you ignore all of the port and hawk votes, salopek will have this poll won

he is clearly better, not just in terms of stats but in terms of impacting games

 

[PAFC_1]

Salopek > Dalight > Bateman

Salopek is pure class

 

[powaflag08]

very confident if you ignore all of the port and hawk votes, salopek will have this poll won


he is clearly better, not just in terms of stats but in terms of impacting games

5 from 11 were Port
5 from 6 were hawks

and 1 of the hawks said in another thread Sally is way better than Bateman anyway.

The question was is Salopek better than Bateman this is what Haze.13 said

"Salopek - definately, he is borderline A-grader the way he's started this season.

Having said that i'm glad we have changer in our best 22, but i'd take Salopek anyday now".

Yet he voted for Bateman in this poll

Bit suss, hey.

really is 7-1 if you go against own club votes.

 

[aussieicon91]

Is the game won and lost on stats, argh no.

Then why do you post the statistics in the very 1st post? You're obviously trying to convince people. Hypocrite.

Also the stats that are provided clearly show that Bateman would have of an impact because the stats that are in favour of him have more bearing over the result of a game.

I could careless what other people think, just from what I've seen over the space of the last couple of the years that Bateman deserves allot more recognition then he gets and that he deserves to be ranked along the likes of Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell who have more class then Salopek. But of course with the amazing young talent at the Hawthorn FC, it doesn't appear that, that will occur.

Of course supporters from other clubs would choose Selopek because he stands out in a weaker team and gets more spotlight because he has a brighter future as he is younger while Bateman has overcome personal issues to become a star at the Hawthorn football club and has peaked at a later age because of it.

 

[PAFC_1]

Of course supporters from other clubs would choose Selopek because he stands out in a weaker team and gets more spotlight because he has a brighter future as he is younger while Bateman has overcome personal issues to become a star at the Hawthorn football club and has peaked at a later age because of it.

weaker team?

get your hand off it, your club hasn't done anything yet.

Salopek has probably missed as any games as he's played due to injury incase you don't know...

 

[tribey]

It's got nothing to do with age. If age was a factor then you could say that Franklin's better then Carey.

The question posed was 'who is better'?

If you're basing everything on the first 7 games of this season and nothing else then by the same logic Daniel Bradshaw is currently the best key forward in the competition bar Franklin and Fevola.

So of course age is a factor. Upside is a factor.

You'd expect nothing less of Bateman to be producing career-best numbers at age 26 (27 on June 21) and with 100 games under his belt. Otherwise what's he doing still on your list? That said, now is as good as it gets for him. Can't see too much improvement beyond what he currently offers.

Salopek on the other hand was extremely bottom-aged for his draft class (#6, 2002) - is only 3 months older than Adam Cooney, for instance - and has amassed 70-odd games at age 22 (23 on June 21).

Not only is he finding a lot of ball but he clearly has massive upside. His role has only changed in the past couple of weeks, with Choco finally moving him onto the ball more rather than leaving him to waste in the flanker/wingman role.

Whether it's now, at year's end or in five years, Salopek > Bateman and by an ever-widening margin.

 

[powaflag08]

Then why do you post the statistics in the very 1st post? You're obviously trying to convince people. Hypocrite.

Also the stats that are provided clearly show that Bateman would have of an impact because the stats that are in favour of him have more bearing over the result of a game.

I could careless what other people think, just from what I've seen over the space of the last couple of the years that Bateman deserves allot more recognition then he gets and that he deserves to be ranked along the likes of Hodge, Mitchell, Sewell who have more class then Salopek. But of course with the amazing young talent at the Hawthorn FC, it doesn't appear that, that will occur.

Of course supporters from other clubs would choose Selopek because he stands out in a weaker team and gets more spotlight because he has a brighter future as he is younger while Bateman has overcome personal issues to become a star at the Hawthorn football club and has peaked at a later age because of it.

Yer by less than 1 per game in every category he won.

that was absouloute dribble.

BTW i read a few of your other posts and you lack knowledge of AFL and are the most one eyed supporter i have ever come across.

You = 12 year old kid he thinks he knows it all when you really know very very little about AFL.

It's scummy, troll, one-eyed supporters like you that wreck Bigfooty.

 

[aussieicon91]

weaker team?

get your hand off it, your club hasn't done anything yet.

Salopek has probably missed as any games as he's played due to injury incase you don't know...

Haha

We're equal 1st on the ladder with Geelong & we've done allot more then what Port Adelaide has in 2008.

The question posed was 'who is better'?

If you're basing everything on the first 7 games of this season and nothing else then by the same logic Daniel Bradshaw is currently the best key forward in the competition bar Franklin and Fevola.

So of course age is a factor. Upside is a factor.

You'd expect nothing less of Bateman to be producing career-best numbers at age 26 (27 on June 21) and with 100 games under his belt. Otherwise what's he doing still on your list? That said, now is as good as it gets for him. Can't see too much improvement beyond what he currently offers.

Salopek on the other hand was extremely bottom-aged for his draft class (#6, 2002) - is only 3 months older than Adam Cooney, for instance - and has amassed 70-odd games at age 22 (23 on June 21).

Not only is he finding a lot of ball but he clearly has massive upside. His role has only changed in the past couple of weeks, with Choco finally moving him onto the ball more rather than leaving him to waste in the flanker/wingman role.

Whether it's now, at year's end or in five years, Salopek > Bateman and by an ever-widening margin.

We're basing it on right now and Bateman is better.