Schapelle

[PP34]

I could write a long response but I feel like they're making money off peoples misery (addicts) so that's the risk they pay for the reward. In an age where AFL clubs are looked down on for making money from Pokie machines I don't think drug dealers can look to pass the buck.

Not every drug user turns into addict.

We don't seem to give a shit about the alcohol industry that brings in a shitload of money each year and causes far more misery than any drug dealer does.

 

[sausageroll]

Fair point.

So I take it you are OK with gays getting stoned to death in the Middle East, Dissenters getting electrified in North Korea, Political opposition imprisoned in Russia, Refugees been processed in Manus Island?

Rules are rules after all.

Hitler's supporters thought the same way after all.

That's a ridiculous response. How is an Australia consciously choosing to go to a foeign country and deliberately break their laws despite having full knowledge of the consequences even remotely the same as what you're suggesting I would be ok with?

I think all this shows is how obsessed you are with your own opinion and how unwilling you are to even attempt to understand any opinion that differs from yours.

 

[Dan Moody]

i see what you did there

 

[craigos]

Not every drug user turns into addict.

We don't seem to give a shit about the alcohol industry that brings in a shitload of money each year and causes far more misery than any drug dealer does.

I have to disagree, a lot of people do. Look at cigarettes, sports betting and even "fair trade" products (ie coffee).
Just to be clear I have nothing against people who use drugs. Your average drug dealer isn't just selling to people who drop pills once a year at stereosonic (vale).

 

[Al Heimer]

Wonder what job she'll get.

There's an opening at the '220 Gentlemen's Club' for her.

She should fit right in.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

In hindsight. It doesn't seem that long, doesn't it?

I would've given her an extra 10 to make sure she learnt from her mistakes.

 

[PP34]

I have to disagree, a lot of people do. Look at cigarettes, sports betting and even "fair trade" products (ie coffee).
Just to be clear I have nothing against people who use drugs. Your average drug dealer isn't just selling to people who drop pills once a year at stereosonic (vale).

So who are they selling to then? Seeing as a country like Australian has so many people using pills, pot etc doesn't it seem a bit bizarre that we're not gripped by an addiction crisis?

Heroin and ice junkie are the type to end up with life ruining addictions and despite what the media says I'd guess they'd only be making up a small percentage of Australians.

 

[craigos]

So who are they selling to then? Seeing as a country like Australian has so many people using pills, pot etc doesn't it seem a bit bizarre that we're not gripped by an addiction crisis?

Heroin and ice junkie are the type to end up with life ruining addictions and despite what the media says I'd guess they'd only be making up a small percentage of Australians.

I'm not one for using A Current Affair type headlines but there a lot of people who are battling with addiction. I am sure everyone knows someone that can't go to work of a morning without a pulling a cone or smoking a joint, just because it's not as in your face as ice/heroin it doesn't mean these people haven't lost control of their lives. Of course there are a lot more people who can use pills/weed without it consuming their life but they aren't the ones that are the day to day clientele of drug dealers.

 

[PP34]

I'm not one for using A Current Affair type headlines but there a lot of people who are battling with addiction. I am sure everyone knows someone that can't go to work of a morning without a pulling a cone or smoking a joint, just because it's not as in your face as ice/heroin it doesn't mean these people haven't lost control of their lives. Of course there are a lot more people who can use pills/weed without it consuming their life but they aren't the ones that are the day to day clientele of drug dealers.

And that's no different to the bloke who can't go a night without a couple of beers after work.

We don't rip into or jail the person selling them the beers though.

 

[Rod Stroker]

I'm still not totally convinced she was guilty. Yes she had drugs in her luggage, but there's no evidence to suggest she put it there or that she knew about it. And I can't believe that anyone would be so stupid as to intentionally try and smuggle 4+ kilos of drugs that were not concealed and so easily identified, into a country where the known penalty for such crimes is death.

Anyway, I'm counting down to days until the "Schapelle" tele-movie is announced on Nine or Seven. Probably played by Rhonda because she's in every other bloody tele-movie made. And she knows Ketut from Bali.

 

[GreyCrow]

I'm still not totally convinced she was guilty. Yes she had drugs in her luggage, but there's no evidence to suggest she put it there or that she knew about it. And I can't believe that anyone would be so stupid as to intentionally try and smuggle 4+ kilos of drugs that were not concealed and so easily identified, into a country where the known penalty for such crimes is death.

Anyway, I'm counting down to days until the "Schapelle" tele-movie is announced on Nine or Seven. Probably played by Rhonda because she's in every other bloody tele-movie made. And she knows Ketut from Bali.

And Cassie Sainsbury? Your thoughts.

 

[PP34]

I'm still not totally convinced she was guilty. Yes she had drugs in her luggage, but there's no evidence to suggest she put it there or that she knew about it. And I can't believe that anyone would be so stupid as to intentionally try and smuggle 4+ kilos of drugs that were not concealed and so easily identified, into a country where the known penalty for such crimes is death.

Anyway, I'm counting down to days until the "Schapelle" tele-movie is announced on Nine or Seven. Probably played by Rhonda because she's in every other bloody tele-movie made. And she knows Ketut from Bali.

They already made one I'm pretty sure.

There was some show on Channel 9 last night.

 

[Rod Stroker]

And Cassie Sainsbury? Your thoughts.

She was a hooker in West Sydney. Don't know much more than that as I never procured her services.

 

[GreyCrow]

lol run away

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

That's a ridiculous response. How is an Australia consciously choosing to go to a foeign country and deliberately break their laws despite having full knowledge of the consequences even remotely the same as what you're suggesting I would be ok with?

I think all this shows is how obsessed you are with your own opinion and how unwilling you are to even attempt to understand any opinion that differs from yours.

A more accurate analogy would be an Australian same sex couple going over to one of those countries that stone gays and getting caught having sex. Would they deserve their punishment?

 

[FootyJunkie]

lol run away

run away bro, stuff the dogs, they're a bunch of gimps

 

[JoondalupJ]

http://www.news.com.au/news/drugs-and-denial/news-story/22383d5e63f1d60704b446803bdd0d47

Old. TRUE /FALSE ???????????????????????

 

[JoondalupJ]

Correct

Completely different subject. There are many facets to these cases and the most valid one is that the Mr Bigs never die

I don't think Schappelles case had any doubts. There was marijuana in a boogie board carried by her. 4kg of marijuana. You should be able to tell the difference between a boogie board and an extra 4kgs. My personal feeling is she took the rap for someone else.

There was some stuff that never got to court or was not allowed in court, there were doubts, none of us will ever know whether those doubts made her innocent or guilty, my point has always been that no one proved beyond doubt her guilt or not , because there was more to it. Much much more, and the Brisbane investigations are still mysterious.
If she was taking the rap for someone else, even that shows the tunnell vision and the incompetency of the Indonesian system.
In Australia I doubt if it would have gone any where near as far as in Indonesia. Because they assume guilt instantly , that is the problem.
Made an analogy on Indonesian law before, if someone shot dead a person a mile away and and dropped the weapon in your back yard, and the Indonesian police found it there, you'd be a gone down the river.
Now it sounds a bit silly to say in such definite terms , but its my way of describing how they operate, if its staring them in the face , you are guilty, there is no avenue to prove other wise.
I'm using this as an example, for lets say, that gun WAS NOT YOURS NOR WERE YOU A KILLER? BUT YOU HAD IT.

You know nothing about this until the cops turn up after searching the neighbourhood and say sorry brother your under arrest.
You killed the bloke up the road. That is what appears to be in Indonesia, in lots of cases.
And I suspect other places that just seem to see everyone who ever bad or crooked or corruptible.
Maybe because crookedness and corruption are well and truly alive and almost part of the culture in that poor bloody country!
I said when that woman from Australia got picked up after her boyfriend had bashed the cop. And the cop looked suss, to me too, but doesn't mean he needed killing, and she may have just panicked , but I knew she was gone too. And boyfriend was taking the whole rap.
She goes and appeals her sentence I thought shit here we go they'll give her more, AND THEY DID, ha ha ha!
But I don't know about you, but have a look at the cop, what is he doing sleasing around the beach at night
.. BY HIMSELF????

I reckon she may have been a victim of both these blokes a mad angry Englishman, and a corrupt copper.
Now that will get people talking, but only in Indonesia folks, only Indonesia where you can buy your innocence or get shot if haven't got the money!
Unfortunate fact of life in that place , I 've never been and will never go. I'd like them to piss off out of West New Guinea too. That is an invasion , just like East Timor.
Lock and load Australia. In a defensive manner of course!

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

I didn't think that your rants could get harder to read, but they are.

 

[JoondalupJ]

What doubts were there apart from her legal team saying the dope wasnt hers and was planted?
Its the same thing every defence team would say

There are known people who were saying things in Australia , but would not incriminate themselves only under certain conditions. And there is one from another part of Australia who never even got to speak, but what ever any of them were going to say doesn't matter. That is not the point.
The point is that every single witness every single avenue in decent law , should be investigated fully , in case the bloody prosecution is wrong.
And its happened countless times. Some Marijuana plants are not worth 13 yeas in shit, anyway. But she wasn't proven guilty fully nor innocent. The law had her done and dusted and locked the day she was arrested. It is just how it happened. Indonesia are some where I would want to stay far away from.
But then again I am biased I thought she was innocent the day they arrested her, just looking at her face , it looked like she was saying "I'll be out soon , wrong person" when it got to the point where she realised that these people already were going to crucify her, no matter what, her tune and demeanour changed , maybe I'm an Indonesian going backwards in thought pattern . ha ha ha !
I guess its enough now, I just didn't trust that case from the moment it became a circus. And the media didn't help,
also the shooting of the two young blokes was tutned into a circus, one copper getting his ugly head on TV. Fair dinkum they are all sickos.

 

[brucetiki]

A more accurate analogy would be an Australian same sex couple going over to one of those countries that stone gays and getting caught having sex. Would they deserve their punishment?

Might be an option for Margaret Court there...

 

[JoondalupJ]

I didn't think that your rants could get harder to read, but they are.

I write like I 'm talking , probably too fast. But you have to have an opinion, and you can't have one liners for this sort of stuff.
Leave that to the AFL , although they need their bums kicked too.
I do that sometimes. Join in BF

Also your boys should have tagged Toby Greene all day, Mick would have!

 

[sausageroll]

A more accurate analogy would be an Australian same sex couple going over to one of those countries that stone gays and getting caught having sex. Would they deserve their punishment?

Please list all the countries where this is actually federal law.
Knowing that punishment, if you were a gay person would you go there and put yourself in that situation?

You have to realise that different countries have different beliefs and different legal systems and methods. Whether the penalty seems extreme to us or not, if an Australian goes there and blatantly ignores the laws of that country then that person is completely responsible for the consequences no matter how many rivers people cry back here in Australia.

Here's a plan... if you don't like their laws don't go there. And if you do go there, don't break their laws.

 

[Norwood1878]

Old. TRUE /FALSE ???????????????????????

True. It's a summary of "Schapelle-The Hidden Truth". There is a condensed version titled "Ganja Queen" but it doesn't show the best parts eg Schapelle rehearsing "help me Australia" , Robin Tampoe the lawyer going off about the family, Mcauley the convicted dope dealer/grower when visiting Schapelle says to Mercedes, completely oblivious to the documentary makers that he'll "organise some smoke". Mercedes getting caught in lies eg no one in her family has been caught with drugs then later revealed the old man and brother have drug convictions, Ron Bakir and Tampoe discussing using baggage handlers to shed doubt on her guilt, Bakir screwing up on Australian radio basically saying the Corby camp and legal team had bee approached for bribes to secure her release but then admitting he made up the claims and had to issue a subsequent apology etc.

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

Please list all the countries where this is actually federal law.

Homosexuality is punishable by death in Yemen, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan & United Arab Emirates, according to this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-punished-by-death-2/?utm_term=.4d8abf5ada04

Now can you answer the question? Do homosexuals "deserve to suffer those penalties, no matter what the bleeding hearts think" simply because "it's their right to impose whatever penalties they want"?

Knowing that punishment, if you were a gay person would you go there and put yourself in that situation?

You have to realise that different countries have different beliefs and different legal systems and methods. Whether the penalty seems extreme to us or not, if an Australian goes there and blatantly ignores the laws of that country then that person is completely responsible for the consequences no matter how many rivers people cry back here in Australia.

Here's a plan... if you don't like their laws don't go there. And if you do go there, don't break their laws.

I agree with everything you've said here - the gay couple in my hypothetical would be incredibly stupid, as was Corby. But that doesn't make such archaic laws any less reprehensible.