Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

[Chief]

Continued in Part 6.

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/

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[Baltimore Jack]

yeah ive been there and checked them out.

they also never committed any massacres of civilians - or any other form of bad behaviour whatsoever.

which kinda boggles the mind. Not one single bit of bad behaviour in any way you say? In decades of war?

ok then.

The us lost plenty of small skirmishes but every major battle of the war was won handily.

for the most part the north vietnamese / vc never fought in large scale battles unless they thought they could gain advantage for some reason (khe sanh) or thought that the losses taken would serve a larger purpose (tet offensive)

the generalship of vo nguyen giap was superlative.

Well, we should have stayed the ferk out of the country and their internal affairs

Hey presto....no US or Aus deaths or battles or massacres .
Not that hard really

 

[kranky al]

Well, we should have stayed the ferk out of the country and their internal affairs

Hey presto....no US or Aus deaths or battles or massacres .
Not that hard really

no i disagree.

way way before the usa and australia were involved ho chi minh (who at that stage was not in any way a communist) was being supplied and helped by the us against the japanese in ww2.

after ww2 he asked the americans to help them gain independence from the french as the us were advocating for the end of all colonialism.

he thought that their shared war experience added to the americans freedom mantra would be enough to get them the moral support on the international front.

unfortunately the americans badly wanted the french to join the fledgling nato at the time and thought forcing the french out would turn them against the idea.

so they rejected ho chi minhs overtures and he went to the ussr who were more than happy to accede with both war materiels and training and ensured all the young trainees were fully politicised as part of the training.

the viet minh became the viet cong and the rest as they say is history.

We didnt need to lose one single solitary soldier, could have had vietnam as a stalwart ally against china and russia. Had camh ranh bay as the immensely useful strategic port it still is today.

all for the cheapest price available.


Talk.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

no i disagree.

way way before the usa and australia were involved ho chi minh (who at that stage was not in any way a communist) was being supplied and helped by the us against the japanese in ww2.

after ww2 he asked the americans to help them gain independence from the french as the us were advocating for the end of all colonialism.

he thought that their shared war experience added to the americans freedom mantra would be enough to get them the moral support on the international front.

unfortunately the americans badly wanted the french to join the fledgling nato at the time and thought forcing the french out would turn them against the idea.

so they rejected ho chi minhs overtures and he went to the ussr who were more than happy to accede with both war materiels and training and ensured all the young trainees were fully politicised as part of the training.

the viet minh became the viet cong and the rest as they say is history.

And The Gulf of Tonkin never happened

And Laos and Cambodia were merely collateral damage

And the CIA assassinating unhelpful or corrupt Sth Viet leaders was a hoax

Like many we were conned and even today some are still being conned

Read The Pentagon Papers, it will clear things up for you

 

[Elroo]

Morrison refusing to release the name of the individual or entity that was provided almost $4m of taxpayers' money the day before he announced the election.

Scott Morrison REFUSES to explain a mysterious $4million payment

The application was lodged with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on January 6, 2017 but took until April 10 last year to be approved by the finance minister.

www.dailymail.co.uk

The Morrison government has refused to release details of a $3.9million 'act of grace' payment made the day before the 2019 federal election was called.

The application was lodged with the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade on January 6, 2017 but took until April 10 last year to be approved by the finance minister.

A day later, the government went into the caretaker period during which no major policy decisions or undertakings can be made

The payment but not the names of the recipients was revealed in an answer to a parliamentary question on notice from Labor MP Pat Conroy.

 

[Gough]

Anyone else notice the Liberal Party branding on Covid announcements has mysteriously disappeared?

 

[andrewmillman]

Anyone else notice the Liberal Party branding on Covid announcements has mysteriously disappeared?

yeah, just as dans press releases say merely "statement from the premier" when its bad news .

 

[kranky al]

And The Gulf of Tonkin never happened

And Laos and Cambodia were merely collateral damage

And the CIA assassinating unhelpful or corrupt Sth Viet leaders was a hoax

Like many we were conned and even today some are still being conned

Read The Pentagon Papers, it will clear things up for you

Ive read more about the vietnam war from both sides than you could ever imagine.

i have a personal library on the subject.

one side has analysed what it did well, not so well, badly and acknowledged flat out war crimes.

you can read all about it. As you have suggested to me.

The other side is still completely denying it did anything wrong at any stage, whatsoever.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Ive read more about the vietnam war from both sides than you could ever imagine.

i have a personal library on the subject.

one side has analysed what it did well, not so well, badly and acknowledged flat out war crimes.

you can read all about it. As you have suggested to me.

The other side is still completely denying it did anything wrong at any stage, whatsoever.

You may be well read, but not necessarily that understanding

The basic issue you have wrong and what most Military people purposely ignore is "Stay the ferk out of other countries: invading them because you don't like their politics is called Imperialism"

Besides the US knew they couldn't win as early as 1966, yet still sent thousands of their own (mostly dark skinned boys) to their deaths. How's that for an atrocity?

 

[kranky al]

You may be well read, but not necessarily that understanding

The basic issue you have wrong and what most Military people purposely ignore is "Stay the ferk out of other countries: invading them because you don't like their politics is called Imperialism"

Besides the US knew they couldn't win as early as 1966, yet still sent thousands of their own (mostly dark skinned boys) to their deaths. How's that for an atrocity?

I think you didnt read my post

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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Very well at all.



<<< We didnt need to lose one single solitary soldier, could have had vietnam as a stalwart ally against china and russia. Had camh ranh bay as the immensely useful strategic port it still is today.

all for the cheapest price available.


Talk>>>>

 

[jatz14]

yeah ive been there and checked them out.

they also never committed any massacres of civilians - or any other form of bad behaviour whatsoever.

which kinda boggles the mind. Not one single bit of bad behaviour in any way you say? In decades of war?

ok then.

The us lost plenty of small skirmishes but every major battle of the war was won handily.

for the most part the north vietnamese / vc never fought in large scale battles unless they thought they could gain advantage for some reason (khe sanh) or thought that the losses taken would serve a larger purpose (tet offensive)

the generalship of vo nguyen giap was superlative.

And in US history, who decides when it was a skirmish, and when it was a battle? That wasn't a battle, there was a skirmish, and then we did a tactical retreat. We were going to take that position, but then we thought better of it, no way was it a battle. If you lose a position, and later on, get it back, did you lose a battle, then win one, or was their 1 battle, you won. The Tet offensive was a military disaster for the NVA, but they did take control of some cities. They took control of cities, but didn't win a battle? No doubt it was a tactical withdrawal, not a defeat? Or does the fact they were later pushed out negate it.

That Vietnamese military history of the war sucks doesn't mean the American version is therefore good. Both can suck.

 

[kranky al]

And in US history, who decides when it was a skirmish, and when it was a battle? That wasn't a battle, there was a skirmish, and then we did a tactical retreat. We were going to take that position, but then we thought better of it, no way was it a battle. If you lose a position, and later on, get it back, did you lose a battle, then win one, or was their 1 battle, you won. The Tet offensive was a military disaster for the NVA, but they did take control of some cities. They took control of cities, but didn't win a battle? No doubt it was a tactical withdrawal, not a defeat? Or does the fact they were later pushed out negate it.

That Vietnamese military history of the war sucks doesn't mean the American version is therefore good. Both can suck.

After the tet offensive the north vietnamese were unable to mount any kind of significant military effort for a long time. They were tapped.


They lost that battle and in doing so won a war.


So who indeed can say.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Gaslight led recovery

 

[Gethelred]

Thread successfully derailed again.

I really don't know why people bite anymore.

 

[madmug]

yeah ive been there and checked them out.

they also never committed any massacres of civilians - or any other form of bad behaviour whatsoever.

which kinda boggles the mind. Not one single bit of bad behaviour in any way you say? In decades of war?

ok then.

The us lost plenty of small skirmishes but every major battle of the war was won handily.

for the most part the north vietnamese / vc never fought in large scale battles unless they thought they could gain advantage for some reason (khe sanh) or thought that the losses taken would serve a larger purpose (tet offensive)

the generalship of vo nguyen giap was superlative.

The Tet offensive was a military disaster, but a political victory. Strange but true!! That speaks to the strategic/political nous of the NVA leadership.

I think Long Tan shows the differences between the Australian strategy & discipline, versus the US, blow everything up approach. We learned a lot from the insurgencies in Malaysia 1950s & the Indonesian 'situation' of the early 60s.

I know some old guys involved on the ground in that area. they said it was pretty nasty. The records show that on both sides. All war is. Worse for the civilians of course.

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

You may be well read, but not necessarily that understanding

The basic issue you have wrong and what most Military people purposely ignore is "Stay the ferk out of other countries: invading them because you don't like their politics is called Imperialism"

Besides the US knew they couldn't win as early as 1966, yet still sent thousands of their own (mostly dark skinned boys) to their deaths. How's that for an atrocity?

That’s not true.

 

[QuietB]

What a campaigner.

One of the most important reports in history and Morrison has taken 2 minutes to reduce it to “defacing buildings”.

He did not address the report in any single way. Just shouted not on my watch.

Australia is an embarrassment.

Morrison is a bumbling fool. Nothing but a useful idiot

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Just more incoherent rambling form an incompetent, useless, fat maggot.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

campaigner is backing Andrew Forrest, Rinehart and Adani to fix climate change

 

[Gough]

Might be time for Jen to have a word to their daughters about the sort of world their father is condemning them to.

 

[SSwans2011]

Just when you think they have reached the depths of bastardry.

 

[Lethality]

'Technology' just means they'll be doing nothing.

There's no mention here of our poor electric vehicle takeup. That would change local air pollution, as well as a piece of the global climate.

 

[Lethality]

I'm hopeful that business and technology will take care of climate change, but that doesn't mean the government can't pitch in with a few policies.

There are actions we can take that will address local environmental problems as well as climate change which relies largely on China and India. Tree planting, banning plastic utensils, etc. So in a sense, we CAN go this alone.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I'm hopeful that business and technology will take care of climate change, but that doesn't mean the government can't pitch in with a few policies.

There are actions we can take that will address local environmental problems as well as climate change which relies largely on China and India. Tree planting, banning plastic utensils, etc. So in a sense, we CAN go this alone.

They could use carbon tax money to fund innovation. Instead, we'll be paying it to overseas governments.

 

[Lethality]

Let's not forget this same government who claims to accept the science and is talking up technology as the solution fearmongered on electric cars at the last election.

 

[Gough]

Let's not forget this same government who claims to accept the science and is talking up technology as the solution fearmongered on electric cars at the last election.

The technology Morrison is talking about doesn't exist yet and he's too stupid to realise that we need action now.