Selection

[LongBombFromOutside50]

Heard Andrew Browne has been playing very well for Claremont in the WAFL and that he played another blinder on the weekend. Wonder if he'll be up for selection this week.

Also, does anyone know anything about Daniel Wells from Peel Thunder?? I haven't had the opportunity to see him play yet. Any information on him would be much appreciated.

Cheers

 

[sabre_ac]

Rumor has it Wells is a top round pick certainty, a fast and classy midifelder just what the doctor ordered for the dockers.

If browne goes in who do you suggest we leave out?

 

[LongBombFromOutside50]

I think if we were to drop someone, it would have to be Norrish, he made some pretty clumsy errors on the weekend and gave away some undisciplined free kicks. However McPharlin, Cunningham and Jones still have to work their way back into the side coming back from injury and Woods, Toia and Shipp are trying to break into the starting 22 as well. Apparently Shipp was in fine form for Perth on the weekend, collecting 29 possessions, and Toia was one of the best players for Subiaco. Having our young players and fringe players playing well means that our best 22 is under pressure to perform well, because if they don't they know that they will be dropped, which is good because it gives our side a bit of depth and it forces them to play well.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Midfield Matchups

I expect Stenglein will get the run-with role on Bell & the Crows will go all out attack with the other midfielders. Which Docker players are likely to line up on McLeod, Goodwin, Johnson (if fit), Riccuito, Doughty & Bickley? I expect Bode will come off the bench again & Edwards will play in defence.

 

[sabre_ac]

McLoed will have Parker run with him
Goodwin will have Carr on him
Roo i would put mcphee

They were shut down last time and I dont see why then cant be this time.
Who will you be putting on Longmuir,Croad,Medhurst and Farmer.
With maybe Pavlich thrown in for good measure.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Sabre - Don't forget about Kane Johnson, who has been easily the Crows best player this year. Also, Doughty has been the find of the season (for the Crows), playing off a wing.

Our defence has been one of the best in the league this year. I expect Smart will probably get Croad, Johncock on Farmer, Hart or Edwards on Medhurst & Bassett (or Marsh if he plays - as he got Ottens this week) on J Longmuir. McGregor may play as an extra tall.

The Crows attack has been heavily criticised by the Vics, but is averaging 100+ pts per game. Perrie & Stevens will definitely play as talls, & Schell may get a chance (after kicking 7-0 last week) if Fitzy is returned to South. Thow in Welsh, Burton & the midfield rotation, it will make for an interesting game.

 

[ok.crows]

Kane:

I don't think that Johnson will be available.

Johncock on Farmer might be a bit of a risk - perhaps Stenglein?
Johncock on Bell?
Smart definately on Croad.
Marsh (perhaps) on Longmuir, if not then Perrie.
Ben Hart on Medhurst. (All IMO).

Sabre if Parker, Carr & McPhee pick up McLeod, Goodwin & Ricciuto you can expect your midfield to get absolutely spanked on Footy Park, just as Richmond's was at Colonial last week. Try to get it into your head that the last meeting between these teams last year was in Perth, and Crows put in an absolute shocker. They were way way down on form and played the most dreadful game I have seen from them in many a year, compared to what their form should have been like.

Anyway even if your wildest fantasy does come true sabre and those last three midfield matchups work for you & those contests neutralise, who will you put on to Bode, Edwards, Doughty & Burton? Each of those is capable of having just about as much influence as the first three. If Johnson plays as well you are in real trouble in the midfield, IMO.

 

[Jars458]

Johncock will play on Farmer or Smart will and Massie can then play on Croad.


Crows will win the midfield -especially if Stenglein keeps Bell quiet

Haselby will probably run against Goodwin I would have thought.

If our forward line fires we will win easily, if not, we will win a close contest.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by ok.crows



Sabre if Parker, Carr & McPhee pick up McLeod, Goodwin & Ricciuto you can expect your midfield to get absolutely spanked on Footy Park, just as Richmond's was at Colonial last week.

Anyway even if your wildest fantasy does come true sabre and those last three midfield matchups work for you & those contests neutralise, who will you put on to Bode, Edwards, Doughty & Burton? Each of those is capable of having just about as much influence as the first three.

Gees I didn't realise Bode, Edwards, Doughty & Burton were all-australians as well! Just as much influence hey?

And people say Sabre over-estimates his team.

Carr has tagged Buckley before and more than done the job and Parker is perhaps the most versatile defender in the league (Lloyd one week, Mcleod the next).

If those match-ups work for us (don't agree with McPhee on Ricciuto) then who is Adelaide going to put on Bell, Haselby and Cook? I sit near the intercahnge bench at Freo home games and I enjoy watching Bellies tagger run off in the 3rd quarter almost passed out with fatigue.

If we play similar to what we did last week then it will be close. If we play like we did against Geelong.... you crows fans will be right.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by funky_monk


Gees I didn't realise Bode, Edwards, Doughty & Burton were all-australians as well! Just as much influence hey?

And people say Sabre over-estimates his team.

Carr has tagged Buckley before and more than done the job and Parker is perhaps the most versatile defender in the league (Lloyd one week, Mcleod the next).

If those match-ups work for us (don't agree with McPhee on Ricciuto) then who is Adelaide going to put on Bell, Haselby and Cook? I sit near the intercahnge bench at Freo home games and I enjoy watching Bellies tagger run off in the 3rd quarter almost passed out with fatigue.

If we play similar to what we did last week then it will be close. If we play like we did against Geelong.... you crows fans will be right.

Where did I say that the second string of crows midfielders were all-Australians? Nowhere.

However, if Freo ignore them as other teams and the media have done, then they do so at their peril. Statistically you will find that that group of four that I named, and Johnson as well, have been doing very well indeed.

So are you trying to say that even though say Doughty (or Edwards or even Bode) gets as much or more possession than Goodwin, and uses the ball just as well (if not better), he can't be as damaging as Goodwin because Goodwin has previously come to the attention of media & pundits whereas Doughty has not (as yet)?

You are as deluded as sabre, perhaps?

To answer your questions though - IMO bell has to be countered - he is a matchwinner, whereas Cook & Haselby? - Freo should be more worried about perhaps using these to curb Adelaides potential midfield dominance than Adelaide should be concerned about assigning midfielders to worry about the likes of these. Adelaide should let its midfield players go for the ball & let the Freo midfielders worry about them, rather than the reverse.

Perhaps Crows should put Burton on Bell? Burton has pace and fantastic aerobic capacity and I'd like to see Bell try & outmark Burton, that would be a sight for sore eyes!

IMO Parker won't be effective against McLeod, unless McLeod has a poor game. McLeod is in a class above Parker ... change my mind ... perhaps two or three classes above Parker. Same for Carr.

 

[sabre_ac]

Funky monk and other fellow dockers supporters, its almost impossible to have a rational arguement with these crows supporters.
As they believe that he Crows beat themselves last year apposed to the dockers beating them.
Its quite sad really but in the end trying to convince them freo are a hope is not worth the effort.

 

[sabre_ac]

Just one little thing.
You continue to under rate parker, the same player that killed loylld last game.

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Funky monk and other fellow dockers supporters, its almost impossible to have a rational arguement with these crows supporters.
As they believe that he Crows beat themselves last year apposed to the dockers beating them.
Its quite sad really but in the end trying to convince them freo are a hope is not worth the effort.

sabre - of course Freo are a hope. I totally agree with you there.

IMO Crows remain the deadset favourite especially since the game is at Footy Park and Freo so far have been dismal when travelling.

But nevertheless Freo are a hope - it is a 'two horse race' after all, and Freo have improved considerably over last year.

BTW & FWIW did you know I tipped Freo to make the 8 this year? I hope they don't let me down. Freo will need to win the odd away game to make the 8, and so far they don't look like it.

 

[funky_monk]

Originally posted by ok.crows


However, if Freo ignore them as other teams and the media have done, then they do so at their peril. Statistically you will find that that group of four that I named, and Johnson as well, have been doing very well indeed.

So are you trying to say that even though say Doughty (or Edwards or even Bode) gets as much or more possession than Goodwin, and uses the ball just as well (if not better), he can't be as damaging as Goodwin because Goodwin has previously come to the attention of media & pundits whereas Doughty has not (as yet)?

You are as deluded as sabre, perhaps?

IMO Parker won't be effective against McLeod, unless McLeod has a poor game. McLeod is in a class above Parker ... change my mind ... perhaps two or three classes above Parker. Same for Carr.

Settle down. My point was that every team values the players that get little media exposure and play the roles each week

For you to get upset with me for suggesting the players you mentioned weren't "capable of having just about as much influence" as three very good players like Mcleod, Goodwin and Ricciuto justifies why I should get upset when you don't rate our 'role players/up-and-comers" as well.

Statistics show that Parker one-on-one VERY RARELY gets beaten. Especially with the help down back he's getting now. Carr is also under-rated.

In reality we are perhaps both wrong in suggesting the players we each spoke about of the opposition are chumps (I do rate Johnson & EdwardsBTW).

Its whether these 'lesser players' stand up on any given day that determines whether any team will win. Mcleod and Bell are champions and will get their positions and have their influence. But it will be tagging efforts from Carr and Parker or 20+ from Doughty etc that will most probably swing a match.

My point, respect our players and I'll respect yours.

Still think you guys are more likely to win anyway.

 

[ok.crows]

My point, respect our players and I'll respect yours.

OK, that is fair enough. My ppoint is that McLeod could lay claim to being one of the competition's best players. Parker cannot. Capable player, yes ... out & out champion, no. Sorry, but there it is.

Why did Freo pass on McLeod anyway? I have heard the story from McLeod & McLeod's father point of view, but it would be interesting to hear it from a Freo perspective.

Is this perhaps what bugs Freo fans about McLeod - the "could have been" aspect of it?

 

[Browny 3:16]

we offered, he refused. end of story.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Funky monk and other fellow dockers supporters, its almost impossible to have a rational arguement with these crows supporters.
As they believe that he Crows beat themselves last year apposed to the dockers beating them.
Its quite sad really but in the end trying to convince them freo are a hope is not worth the effort.

Last year Freo played above their abiliity (they had only won one from 21 remember)

We played below (we had won 12 from 21)

That will not happen this year.

clearly Freo won the game by playing better on the night - no-one can deny that.

However, Crows are out for revenge

 

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Browny 3:16
we offered, he refused. end of story.

Not according to McLeod's father. Freo offered, but effectively said to McLeod they did not like his attitude. To carefree. Not serious enough. McLeod did say to freo he would prefer playing in Adelaide. Apparently after that exchange (which McLeod did not think too much of) it was the Freo admin itself that set about initiating the McLeod/Groom swapover with Adelaide.

Good move, guys.

 

[kuepper]

I think anyside that could have picked up Pavlich as a 17yo pick, but instead chose McGregor, should stop thowing stones in their glasshouse, but I am sure you can justify that, now can't you ok.cows?

Last year, Freo were deploreable, and withoiut Robran knocking himself out, may have run all over you at your home ground, and then we flogged you at ours.

We have considerabley improved our squad from that point, where you have not (yes, you have new players playing, I realsie this - but %-age improvement over the squad is ALOT more at Fremantle.)

So, by my reckoning, we will go very well.

We are the #1 teams in 2nd half, and run all over the top of everyone we have played this year (even the shocker in Geelong) and we are in the very top echelon in clearances from stoppages - so your complete disdain for our midfield structure, I hope is mirrored by your coaching staff, cause if it is, you'll lose - that simple.

An old saying a friend of mine used to roll out, is that any side with Daniel Schell in it, has at least one squib - so please, I do beg you play him ... it will be far more amusing in the colours of someone else, I can assure you.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by kuepper
I think anyside that could have picked up Pavlich as a 17yo pick, but instead chose McGregor, should stop thowing stones in their glasshouse, but I am sure you can justify that, now can't you ok.cows?

Well he can because Freo had a pick before we did and could also have picked Pavlich up as a 17 year old.

The fact you got him at the next draft, again with an earlier pick really only proves you always have earlier picks because you always finish below us.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by kuepper
I We are the #1 teams in 2nd half, and run all over the top of everyone we have played this year (even the shocker in Geelong) and we are in the very top echelon in clearances from stoppages - so your complete disdain for our midfield structure, I hope is mirrored by your coaching staff, cause if it is, you'll lose - that simple.

No-one is underestimating anyone

In AFL football any team can win on any given day

You have not won two in a row and you can't win outside of Perth.

Clearly Crows are favourites but Freo can win.

End of strory.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by kuepper


We are the #1 teams in 2nd half, and run all over the top of everyone we have played this year (even the shocker in Geelong)

I think that is ambitious, 3 goals to 8 isnt exactly running over the top of Geelong (WC also won the 2nd half).

Admittedly the camries haven't been that good in the 2nd half, so if its relatively even at half time it may be interesting.

(For the record Port have won 5 2nd halves )

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Jars458
Well he can because Freo had a pick before we did and could also have picked Pavlich up as a 17 year old.

I think you will find you had a zone compensation pick, and chose McGregor over Pavlich - and no, Freo could not have taken him any earlier than the 1999 draft, when we did.

The fact you got him at the next draft, again with an earlier pick really only proves you always have earlier picks because you always finish below us.

Yes, nice barbed end to the post, well done, i've said it before, and i'll say it again, you are a pr*ck.

Either way, you have Daniel Schell, and the pick you traded him for is Medhurst, thanks for that, we offload a crab, and draft a real player, much appreciated.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Port01
I think that is ambitious, 3 goals to 8 isnt exactly running over the top of Geelong (WC also won the 2nd half as well).

I was more referring to the last quarter in that game, but the fact says that statistically, we have been the worst first qtr side, and the best second half side in the comp, after 6 rounds - ambitious? yes, fact - damn straight.

 

[Port01]

As I edited in Port have won 5 2nd halves, I'd actually be interested if Freo had been better I thought we had been pretty good.