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VEEDUBS said:
Great points.
Pity your generosity regarding virtually the exact points does not extend to Varcoe- 3 shoulder reconstructions, 2 foot fractures,
and a fracture dislocation of his ankle before he joined us!
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He's also had longer too VD. He joined us in 2005. That's 8 years ago now. The injuries Varcoe has suffered don't explain why he continues to get a prolonged stint in the seniors, seemingly irrespective of form. He played 11 games in succession after returning to the team this year. Every week was the same......"he's close to turning it on", I'm sure it'll be echoed next year too.

You absolutely are entitled to some leeway if you've had injuries, but it's not like he's been in the medical room his whole career.

Besides which, you can't tell me Brown has had anything like the opportunities Varcoe has had. They're almost at opposite ends of the spectrum.
 
you pick one said:
Agree with the bolded,how ever IMO his games in the Ones this year probable cost him a spot on someone else's list next year by showing he's not up to the task,had he stayed in the Twos where he preforms well he'd have drawn some interest but not now.Still a long way from getting a regular gig at the Cats too.
Put it this way If Brown gets 18 games next year,we get pick 6 in the 2014 draft.
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We'll have to wait and see for that. How people can definitely know these things is pretty impressive when it's just speculation.
 
Gysenn said:
I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a player yet to make his debut...

Boy oh boy I hope he lives up to the hype!
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It'll be interesting to see how many games he gets. I'm still wary of playing him with Vardy and Hawkins up forward; it never works because the game is too quick. Love to be wrong, so we'll wait and see.
 
Partridge said:
It'll be interesting to see how many games he gets. I'm still wary of playing him with Vardy and Hawkins up forward; it never works because the game is too quick. Love to be wrong, so we'll wait and see.
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Partridge said:
He's also had longer too VD. He joined us in 2005. That's 8 years ago now. The injuries Varcoe has suffered don't explain why he continues to get a prolonged stint in the seniors, seemingly irrespective of form. He played 11 games in succession after returning to the team this year. Every week was the same......"he's close to turning it on", I'm sure it'll be echoed next year too.

You absolutely are entitled to some leeway if you've had injuries, but it's not like he's been in the medical room his whole career.

Besides which, you can't tell me Brown has had anything like the opportunities Varcoe has had. They're almost at opposite ends of the spectrum.
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I agree with you about Brown's lack of opportunity- completely.
And on Varcoe, well he HAS spent inordinate amounts of time injured, and yes, he could have been dropped this year. Confidence was obviously shot- but the shoulder surgery he had should have kept him out 4 months. Not his fault the MC has high regard for him and perhaps tried to express his return by a month- it didn't work. He possibly could have started a month later, and in the 2's a little longer, but it did not eventuate.
All past history now. But I am a Brown supporter too.
 
VEEDUBS said:
I agree with you about Brown's lack of opportunity- completely.
And on Varcoe, well he HAS spent inordinate amounts of time injured, and yes, he could have been dropped this year. Confidence was obviously shot- but the shoulder surgery he had should have kept him out 4 months. Not his fault the MC has high regard for him and perhaps tried to express his return by a month- it didn't work. He possibly could have started a month later, and in the 2's a little longer, but it did not eventuate.
All past history now. But I am a Brown supporter too.
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I would just love footy clubs to realise that players need time to recover from injuries, no matter how much they adore them. In the grand scheme of things I can't see how keeping Varcoe in the 2s for another fortnight or so would have damaged the team. It might even have gotten him into better form.

Hopefully, they've learned from it.
 
Gysenn said:
I know they play different roles, but this tells quite a tale...

VFL goalkicking accuracy 2013:
Josh Walker 31 goals, 25 behinds at 55%
Shane Kersten 41 goals, 11 behinds at 79%
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The ball comes off Kersto's boot sweetly. And he kicks like a mule. No one doubts that. But he isn't a power forward in the sense Josh could be.

Josh showed in the twos GF he can find the goals. Think it's above the shoulders with him. Hopefully the club will be putting in plenty of time on his goal kicking cos we will need another tall marking option in the forward half should Vards or Hawk falter.
 
AM said:
The ball comes off Kersto's boot sweetly. And he kicks like a mule. No one doubts that. But he isn't a power forward in the sense Josh could be.

Josh showed in the twos GF he can find the goals. Think it's above the shoulders with him. Hopefully the club will be putting in plenty of time on his goal kicking cos we will need another tall marking option in the forward half should Vards or Hawk falter.
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I'm not suggesting Kersten would do a better job in Josh's position than he would, in fact I've hardly watch either of them play, but it's a very interesting stat.

AM said:
The ball comes off Kersto's boot sweetly. And he kicks like a mule. No one doubts that. But he isn't a power forward in the sense Josh could be.
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How many of Kersten's goals come from set shots?

AM said:
Think it's above the shoulders with him.
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Josh Walker is starting to look like a carbon copy of Tom Hawkins... B&F can't be too far away ;)
 
AM said:
Don't know the stats. But saw him kick three pearlers v Sandy in (I think) round 15. Don't think set shots are an issue with him.
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So I dug a little deeper with Shane Kersten's goalkicking accuracy...

Turns out he's the most accurate goalkicker of anyone in the VFL/AFL who kicked more than 30+ goals in 2013. He's probably the most accurate of anyone who kicked 20+ goals, but I couldn't be bothered digging that far through the VFL statistics.

AFL/VFL goalkicking accuracy of 30+ goal players in 2013:

1. Shane Kersten (Geelong VFL) 41.11 at 78.8%
2. Dean Galea (Port Melbourne) 58.18 at 76.3%
3. Kyle Martin (Collingwood VFL/AFL) 41.13 at 75.9%
4. Jack Gunston (Hawthorn) 46.17 at 71.9%
 
The thing i think will happen and that is he will have games when he kicks 4 and games with 0 i just hope everyone dont jump on him when he gets 0 as this is what happens to most kids starting out
 

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Gysenn

There are 2 goals in this video that typify how good a kick he is.
I was at this game and there was a bloody difficult wind to contend with.

The first goal of the video is Kersten, and he is kicking directly into the teeth of a 3-4 goal wind.

The other example is at the 3:22 minute mark.
The video doesn't show what he did when he marked the ball. But he didn't hesitate, he was never going to pass it.

This had to be a highly accurate kick because he was kicking into a breeze that also pulled the ball left.
Kicked the guts out of it too.

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/video/2013-08-12/vfl-highlights-rd17?page=26
 
vinum coupe said:
Gysenn

There are 2 goals in this video that typify how good a kick he is.
I was at this game and there was a bloody difficult wind to contend with.

The first goal of the video is Kersten, and he is kicking directly into the teeth of a 3-4 goal wind.

The other example is at the 3:22 minute mark.
The video doesn't show what he did when he marked the ball. But he didn't hesitate, he was never going to pass it.

This had to be a highly accurate kick because he was kicking into a breeze that also pulled the ball left.
Kicked the guts out of it too.

http://www.geelongcats.com.au/video/2013-08-12/vfl-highlights-rd17?page=26
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Great goals from Kersten. Also 2 absolute beauties from Murdoch in that game.
 
Gysenn said:
So I dug a little deeper with Shane Kersten's goalkicking accuracy...

Turns out he's the most accurate goalkicker of anyone in the VFL/AFL who kicked more than 30+ goals in 2013. He's probably the most accurate of anyone who kicked 20+ goals, but I couldn't be bothered digging that far through the VFL statistics.

AFL/VFL goalkicking accuracy of 30+ goal players in 2013:

1. Shane Kersten (Geelong VFL) 41.11 at 78.8%
2. Dean Galea (Port Melbourne) 58.18 at 76.3%
3. Kyle Martin (Collingwood VFL/AFL) 41.13 at 75.9%
4. Jack Gunston (Hawthorn) 46.17 at 71.9%
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Nice get. :thumbsu:

That said, kicking them in an AFL game at SS in front of 30,000 or the 'G' in front of 80,000 is way different to doing it at VFL level in front of 1000. I'm a rap for Kersto as most here know and I'm confident that given game time he'll prove to be a very effective forward for us. But let's wait and see how he handles the additional pressure that comes with AFL level footy.
 
Read somewhere that Kersten had kicked 79.25 over two years, so it's no fluke season.

I haven't seen enough of him to tell, but I just hope he has more tricks than lead, mark, kick goal. Because at his size he probably won't get as many opportunities to do that at AFL level as he does in the VFL.

I also worry a tad that he doesn't suit Geelong's long kicking to the forward line style. Granted, that has been centred around Hawkins and Pods but it will at least take some time to adjust things to suit other players we rotate through their who aren't as aerially masterful as Pods and rely on more precise kicking to the lead.

Still, very happy to have two or three very decent key forward prospects fighting for a spot in the ones. It's a healthy place to be post-Pods.
 
AM said:
Nice get. :thumbsu:

That said, kicking them in an AFL game at SS in front of 30,000 or the 'G' in front of 80,000 is way different to doing it at VFL level in front of 1000. I'm a rap for Kersto as most here know and I'm confident that given game time he'll prove to be a very effective forward for us. But let's wait and see how he handles the additional pressure that comes with AFL level footy.
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There's additional pressure - yes. Pressure from the occasion, which he may or may not suffer from, and direct pressure on the ball carrier, which is to be expected.

Goal kicking is probably the one skill in football that is LEAST affected by which level of football you're playing. He can still kick it from 45 out into the breeze hard against the boundary regardless of who he's playing against.
 
catempire said:
Read somewhere that Kersten had kicked 79.25 over two years, so it's no fluke season.

I haven't seen enough of him to tell, but I just hope he has more tricks than lead, mark, kick goal. Because at his size he probably won't get as many opportunities to do that at AFL level as he does in the VFL.

I also worry a tad that he doesn't suit Geelong's long kicking to the forward line style. Granted, that has been centred around Hawkins and Pods but it will at least take some time to adjust things to suit other players we rotate through their who aren't as aerially masterful as Pods and rely on more precise kicking to the lead.

Still, very happy to have two or three very decent key forward prospects fighting for a spot in the ones. It's a healthy place to be post-Pods.
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Lead, mark, kick, goal... Tackle!

Something our other tallish forwards have never offered us.
 

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Great clips and stats guys :thumbsu:
Will be a much anticipated debut. Just hope he is given a nice run of games to get into the tempo of afl footy
 
Gysenn said:
There's additional pressure - yes. Pressure from the occasion, which he may or may not suffer from, and direct pressure on the ball carrier, which is to be expected.

Goal kicking is probably the one skill in football that is LEAST affected by which level of football you're playing. He can still kick it from 45 out into the breeze hard against the boundary regardless of who he's playing against.
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Wouldn't underestimate the adverse affect elite level exposure can mentally have on set shot goal shooting. Many players have been able to kick with accuracy at lesser level but haven't been able to produce the same high standard on the big stage.

A case in point has been Walker - so far. In the twos GF he looked composed and confident and the ball came off his boot sweetly. Hasn't been able to replicate that at AFL level so far.
 
AM said:
Wouldn't underestimate the adverse affect elite level exposure can mentally have on set shot goal shooting. Many players have been able to kick with accuracy at lesser level but haven't been able to produce the same high standard on the big stage.

A case in point has been Walker - so far. In the twos GF he looked composed and confident and the ball came off his boot sweetly. Hasn't been able to replicate that at AFL level so far.
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Walker might look composed, but his stats tell a different story:

Gysenn: VFL goalkicking accuracy 2013:

Josh Walker 31 goals, 25 behinds at 55%
Shane Kersten 41 goals, 11 behinds at 79%

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Gysenn said:
Walker might look composed, but his stats tell a different story:

Gysenn: VFL goalkicking accuracy 2013:

Josh Walker 31 goals, 25 behinds at 55%
Shane Kersten 41 goals, 11 behinds at 79%

@BigFootyCATS
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Are Walker's stats AFL and VFL combined? If so, what is his VFL accuracy? That's the telling factor in the context of this discussion.
 

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