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2nd Rounder and Stanly/Cook would be fair Richmond dont want him and need as many picks as possible there not getting a 1st rounder of any body its not a deep draft win win for both clubs more for us
 
Shpeshal Ed said:
I mean, they all came from shit sides didn't they? Surely good players don't exist in shit sides? :eek: Surely some players don't just need a change of scenery? :eek:
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The key is to identify and trade for talented/skilled players in shit teams who are either being played out of position or are clearly playing unmotivated.

Not over-achieving, unskilled spuds that are playing the only position they could possibly play.

I would rather gamble on Neagle from the Bombers for example, despite how shit he looks right now, because we know that at one point he did actually have talent, and he's clearly unmotivated. Another club might use the same reasoning to target Cox.

That's basically what Clement and Medders were. Unmotivated and/or played out of position. That's why they were able to improve so drastically.
 
BEEG said:
2nd Rounder and Stanly/Cook would be fair Richmond dont want him and need as many picks as possible there not getting a 1st rounder of any body its not a deep draft win win for both clubs more for us
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No way should we be giving up a second rounder for a trier like Tuck. We need to keep our early picks this year.
 

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A second rounder for a spud from richmond you must be kidding me. We picked up Beams with our 2nd rounder last year.

If we must get him I suggest we give Richmond a Half eaten Cold Pie

But obviously I would prefer not to pick up a 28 year old hack
 
mdc said:
The key is to identify and trade for talented/skilled players in shit teams who are either being played out of position or are clearly playing unmotivated.

Not over-achieving, unskilled spuds that are playing the only position they could possibly play.

I would rather gamble on Neagle from the Bombers for example, despite how shit he looks right now, because we know that at one point he did actually have talent, and he's clearly unmotivated. Another club might use the same reasoning to target Cox.

That's basically what Clement and Medders were. Unmotivated and/or played out of position. That's why they were able to improve so drastically.
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I can see what you're saying, and I really appreciate a well thought out logical response as opposed to other members on this board who merely suggest I'm a traitor/idiot or counter with a blind one-eyed argument.

It's actually a good way of looking at it. And come to think of it, it's exactly what Medders and Clement were, much like what Scotland and Rhyce have done at THEIR respective clubs. Most Collingwood supporters didn't want to lose Scotland, and to a lesser extent, Shaw, but they DID need a change of scenery.

As to Tuck, I just think that this is a case of "I think he's a better player than you think he is". In which case, we'll just end up going around in circles.;)

For example, most of you guys think he's a spud, a Richmond supporter I work with ALMOST thinks he's worth a first round pick (lol), and is one of their top 5 players. Personally, I think he sits somewhere in the middle.

I believe a Second Round pick and Shannon Cox is more than fair for Shane Tuck. Especially considering the fact that this is apparently a weak draft. But again, I only find that fair because I hold Tuck in higher regard than most Collingwood supporters do.
 
O'Bree turns 31 in March '10 while Tuck turns 28 in December '09. SO on age, there's 2 + years difference.

Regarding Tuck's ommission from Richmond, he was dropped after Rawlings came in and obviously was looking to turn the list - form wasn't the issue.

On form, Tuck has been top 3 in b&f three times and 2nd to Deledio last year. Yes Richmond is not a great team, but does that mean Richo and Dedildo are good and the rest shit?

Tuck would be handy for us as an extractor and if his form doesn't warrant inclusion then we should have onl sacrificed a 3d round for him. His head to head V O'Bree is significantly better in my view as the head to head data earlier in this thread showed.
 
People are undervaluing the value of SOB.

He not only is one of our best extractors but he does all the sacrificial team things that Shane Tuck does not. He will work hard both ways, he will always work his **** off to block for a teammate and he will get down and dirty and take all the hits for his teammates. He is a team player.

Shane Tuck is not a better footballer than SOB. Richmond have one of the worst midfields in the competition and this bloke who apparantly was their best performed midfielder couldn't get a game.

We have no use for him, particularly as we are developing J-Mac, Rusty, Beams etc.
 
dalethomas13 said:
People are undervaluing the value of SOB.

He not only is one of our best extractors but he does all the sacrificial team things that Shane Tuck does not. He will work hard both ways, he will always work his **** off to block for a teammate and he will get down and dirty and take all the hits for his teammates. He is a team player.

Shane Tuck is not a better footballer than SOB. Richmond have one of the worst midfields in the competition and this bloke who apparantly was their best performed midfielder couldn't get a game.

We have no use for him, particularly as we are developing J-Mac, Rusty, Beams etc.
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He can be drilled to do all those things.

If we can pick him up for a late draft pick and a fringe player, then I'm ALL for it.
 
What's with all the nonsense that he'd be a good replacement for O'Bree... Geez why dont we be proactive for once and chase a player that is a lot better than O'Bree such as Brad Sewell, rather than Tuck who isn't wanted by a team that finished bottom two!! He simply isn't good enough, if we want to win premierships he is not the answer :mad:
 
If we're going to rummage through the Brashers bargain bin I'd toss Tuck back into the pile and have a look at Daniel Harris. We offered a late pick for him last year so you know we were interested in him. The way our midfield rotates I think he would fit in nicely. And the price has since gone down so he could be a freebee!
 
chuck blair in if you want an obree replacement

28 year old mid who is not wanted by the tigers screams no thanks
 
ChipDouglas said:
If we're going to rummage through the Brashers bargain bin I'd toss Tuck back into the pile and have a look at Daniel Harris. We offered a late pick for him last year so you know we were interested in him. The way our midfield rotates I think he would fit in nicely. And the price has since gone down so he could be a freebee!
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Not that I think either are superstars, but Tuck is a lot better than Daniel Harris. Personally I think he's alright and I wouldn't mind having him at the club. He is definitely better than Stanley, Cook, Cox and Corrie for instance. If we got Corrie who is about as good as a wooden chair, we can trade something small for a proven player.
 

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Shane Tuck is much better than Shane O'Bree.

Richmond dont want any old players on their list, therefore they want to trade for draft picks while they can.

I think he would be a good upgrade.
 
I would prefer to get games into Wellingham, Beams, Sidebottom and McCarthy than use them on Tuck.

Good extractor but thats it. Ordinary skills and doesn't break lines.
 
The Rusler said:
Not that I think either are superstars, but Tuck is a lot better than Daniel Harris. Personally I think he's alright and I wouldn't mind having him at the club. He is definitely better than Stanley, Cook, Cox and Corrie for instance. If we got Corrie who is about as good as a wooden chair, we can trade something small for a proven player.
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Yes he is, but one this Harris doesn't do is stuff his ears full of God knows what so he can't hear his teammates. And Tuck is completely unaccountable and does his own thing so while he can play, it won't be for us.
 
LOL This thread is a laugh

Anybody who doesnt think Tuck wouldnt be a improvement to winning more clearences is just a idiot

People talking about his disposal look at OBree's he just kicks the footy 40 metres skyed in the air to a contest never hits somebody on the chest unless its the oppisitions player

Some players thrive under good coaches and i think most players on the Richmond playing list would be a better player if they went to another club could you imagine playing for Richmond it would be a massive struggle
 
The issue with Tuck is not his ability to play inside, it's his struggle to adhere to team structures and to be accountable. The facts are Tuck's midfield opponents were causing havoc and thats why he was left out of the side and is now on the trade block.
 
Let's buy - Shane Tuck

We can probably get him for not much because nobody would want him probably. He gets a lot of hard ball which we have been poor in. Imagine him getting the ball first and handballing it out to leon or didak. He could help us get first use making us a better team. I really think we should buy him. for peanuts just for his clearance skills.:thumbsu:
 

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Re: Let's buy - Shane Tuck

See the already 5 page long Shane Tuck thread for an indepth discussion of the pro's and con's of getting Shane Tuck, aswell as many estimated trade values.
 
So Tuck came 2nd in the B&F for the Tiges behind Dedildo and ahead of Foley and Richo because he scorched it and was all one way? Caricature.

I think he could replace O'Bree on form next year, but if he doesn't, he's out of the side. He's a very handy reserve player at worst and as a new player won't be a walk-up start. If we pick our teams based on the ruthless Lyon's method, we have nothing to worry about.

I think people are forgetting there are still large concerns to be addressed with our young players. A ready-made stop-gap like Tuck is valuable.
 
To put it simply;

IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH HE COSTS TO GET.

I'd trade a second round pick or 2 fringe players like Cox, Cook, Stanley etc for him.

Any more then a second round pick, and a 28 year old with poor kicking skills is not worth it, and it doesn't matter how good he is as getting the "contested ball".

Oh and by the way, we have some of the absolute best young mids in the league, so I would say no to picking up a 28 year old unless we get him for virtually nothing.
 

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