Should Sydney and GWS be allowed academies in strong footballing communities?

[TheEscapeClub]

Why do the clubs in heartland States have them. Because Sydney fo1und a few diamonds in the rough.

Dunno, I've never taken an interest in it. I'm happy for f/s to be kept for everyone and for non football States to also have academies

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Because North was a basket case but lets not mention that hey.
I.m sure if his blue stripes we're blue hoops there would be no need for a hate thread..

You're shifting the goalposts. Trying to argue Sydney is the only interstate side able to compete with the Vic's because of their strong academy but forgetting that a #1 draft pick left a Vic club for your mob after 1 season.

Interstate clubs will never get anywhere until they shake this persecution complex. You all complain about perceived inherent biases while turning a blind eye to your own advantages. The competition is full of swings and roundabouts but keep howling at the moon.

 

[Blackas87]

Because North was a basket case but lets not mention that hey.
I.m sure if his blue stripes we're blue hoops there would be no need for a hate thread..

Most non Vic clubs are basket cases but let’s not mention that hey.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I think your missing the point. there should be no rules that are just to benefit a select few clubs. Everything should be fair game and the same rules for all. After this point, it comes down to quality of management and clubs outperforming one another.

giving Sydney GWS an exclusive academy to pick from that nobody else can access is not a level playing field.

If one club has access to something, all should have access to it, and let the best run organisations come out ontop.

If you want to grow the game in sydney and keep the academies, then let all AFL clubs have a piece of it and similar access.

Sydney and GWS are not above the game with special benefits.

The thing is though the AFL needs to prop up these northern market clubs as they can't afford to have them missing finals for consecutive years. Swans have been very well managed for 30 years now but do you think it's merely a coincidence they've hardly missed finals in that time and also received priority picks while competing for flags?

 

[BloodySwan]

The thing is though the AFL needs to prop up these northern market clubs as they can't afford to have them missing finals for consecutive years. Swans have been very well managed for 30 years now but do you think it's merely a coincidence they've hardly missed finals in that time and also received priority picks while competing for flags?

Melbourne - deliberately tanked so they could get top talent
Sydney - deliberately avoids tanking to make finals

Sydney's motto for the last 2 decades has not been to win premierships but to be competitive and make the finals. They do all they can to avoid going through a rebuild and would rather come 8th than be bottom 4 for a few years with the desire of bouncing back.

Hawthorn chose to push out their experienced blokes and go into a full rebuild. They are comfortable in losing a lot this season in knowing they would get a high draft pick, blood youngsters with the eye of coming good in a few years.

Swans will not allow that to happen.

Academies are not the reason we continue to be a successful club, there are other factors which continue to allow that to happen.

The argument is should the Swans be allowed academies in strong football communities? The answer is no, we should not be. Sydney has not been a strong footballing community and still isn't. When the academies prove too strong they will get peeled back, but we're probably not there yet

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yeah these kids with under 100 games are way better than a brownlow Medallist, an all Australian, and Adelaide's new club captain

You've got no clue mate

Your trying to argue with me that it’s in the best interest of the AFL for Sydney to be handed first round picks every year via the academy because whoever Sydney chooses to delist or trade makes another side stronger…. Yeah and people call geelong entitled… and yes mate, I am sure most Sydney delisted and cast offs are brownlow medalists and AA’s and future hall of famers

How about you keep your enormous generosity of “making the competition a better place” by delisting squad player 40-44 to make way for your first round picks and the rest of the AFL just gets to draft the academy players in the open draft. That way you can keep your delistees instead and severely weaken the rest of the comp

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Melbourne - deliberately tanked so they could get top talent
Sydney - gets topped up each year with first round academy picks to stay competitive

Sydney's motto for the last 2 decades has not been to win premierships but to be competitive and make the finals. They do all they can to avoid going through a rebuild and would rather come 8th than be bottom 4 for a few years with the desire of bouncing back.

Hawthorn chose to push out their experienced blokes and go into a full rebuild. They are comfortable in losing a lot this season in knowing they would get a high draft pick, blood youngsters with the eye of coming good in a few years.

Swans will not allow that to happen.

Academies are not the reason we continue to be a successful club, there are other factors which continue to allow that to happen.

The argument is should the Swans be allowed academies in strong football communities? The answer is no, we should not be. Sydney has not been a strong footballing community and still isn't. When the academies prove too strong they will get peeled back, but we're probably not there yet

edited for accuracy

 

[Maddo11]

Your trying to argue with me that it’s in the best interest of the AFL for Sydney to be handed first round picks every year

Well that's just nonsense

We've only had one academy pick in the first round in the last 5 years, and that was Campbell (2020 pick 5).

And Campbell has hardly cemented his spot as best 22.

But having strong NSW and QLD players to pick from is good for the league, yes. The only way there's strong junior AFL comps is to increase numbers, the AFL thinks the best way to do that get the clubs to be involved

Otherwise you have players like Hawkins moving from Finley to a private school in Melbourne to keep playing junior footy and have a crack at getting drafted.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well that's just nonsense

We've only had one academy pick in the first round in the last 5 years, and that was Campbell (2020 pick 5).

And Campbell has hardly cemented his spot as best 22.

But having strong NSW and QLD players to pick from is good for the league, yes. The only way there's strong junior AFL comps is to increase numbers, the AFL thinks the best way to do that get the clubs to be involved

Otherwise you have players like Hawkins moving from Finley to a private school in Melbourne to keep playing junior footy and have a crack at getting drafted.

Academy and F/S picks always go a bit lower than they should because other clubs know they won’t get them, it’s more about keeping so and so honest with a little leeway.

Do you honestly think nick daicos who averaged 36 disposals a game and broke just about every record imagineable was pick 4 value??

Do you think will Ashcroft going pick 2 was correct??

Heeney and mills were arguably picks no 1 or 2 in both their draft years, and blakey was touted as a top ten pick and slid due to the academy factor.

So when you look at it you have 4 top ten picks and arguably two potential no1 picks on your list from academies… yes mate absolutely rubbish indeed.

Then add in all the others and it’s turning into one massive leg ups

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The thing is though the AFL needs to prop up these northern market clubs as they can't afford to have them missing finals for consecutive years. Swans have been very well managed for 30 years now but do you think it's merely a coincidence they've hardly missed finals in that time and also received priority picks while competing for flags?

They are only competing for a flag due to the academies.. nothing to do with culture.. nothing to do with coaching and personnel.. they literally have high quality draft picks flooding through the door via these academies to prop them up.

 

[Elixuh]

Cumberland played quite well tonight for the Tigers. Would not have been drafted except for the Brisbane academy.

 

[Eshay187]

Academy and F/S picks always go a bit lower than they should because other clubs know they won’t get them, it’s more about keeping so and so honest with a little leeway.

Do you honestly think nick daicos who averaged 36 disposals a game and broke just about every record imagineable was pick 4 value??

Do you think will Ashcroft going pick 2 was correct??

Heeney and mills were arguably picks no 1 or 2 in both their draft years, and blakey was touted as a top ten pick and slid due to the academy factor.

So when you look at it you have 4 top ten picks and arguably two potential no1 picks on your list from academies… yes mate absolutely rubbish indeed.

Then add in all the others and it’s turning into one massive leg ups

So what you’re saying is that it is the other clubs are giving academy & f/s picks an advantage by not bidding earlier.

Maybe have this convo with your own recruiting team then? If they haven’t taken out a restraining order on you

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So what you’re saying is that it is the other clubs are giving academy & f/s picks an advantage by not bidding earlier.

Maybe have this convo with your own recruiting team then? If they haven’t taken out a restraining order on you

Ease up your emotions, maybe best you don’t post if it’s getting the best of you hurling insults.

Your recruiting team covered enough points for all scenarios, so it makes no difference if it’s pick 3 or 2. Irrelevant.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Cumberland played quite well tonight for the Tigers. Would not have been drafted except for the Brisbane academy.

Thank you for your enormous generosity. The AFL is a much better place for each delisted or steak knives trade Brisbane/Sydney do to make way for top ten academy picks.

Much appreciated. The AFL thanks you for your sacrifice in making the game a stronger league by trying to workout who to delist each season. We are all fighting over those names like assassins after John wick

 

[mcs095]

Interesting definition of every year going on here. Between that and close to the thinnest skin going on BF

 

[Muddiemoose]

Should be also noted that most clubs have probably benefited from the northern academy’s at some point

On Richmond’s list right now off the top of my head we have Noah Cumberland (Brisbane) and Jacob Bauer (Sydney)

Both decent prospects
Could argue the access the northern clubs get for top tier prospects might be a little generous especially for players who have afl connections anyway like Tom Green

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who was always going to play footy over other sports or father son selections
Especially because teams like Sydney and Brisbane are getting to the point where they also have their own potential father son picks but no real point re hashing that argument either because it’s been done to death

 

[Elixuh]

I for one enjoy rorting the competition through our academies.