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What is his use in this team?
I'm happy if players make skill errors but Simon Buckley makes mistakes you could see coming for miles off.

1 bit last night that ended in a Carlton goal, he passed to Thomas, Thomas looks back and kicks back to Buckley, at that stage I said to the bloke next to me turn over goal.
The idiot looks to the middle of the ground, what I saw next I couldn't believe.
He with a 3 on 1, that 1 is the second smallest player on the Collingwood list kicks it on his head.

There was a reason why he played 15 games over the last 2 years, there is a reason why he should never play again for Collingwood.

He hasn't got the skill to play AFL football, he hasn't got the footy smarts to play park football.
He never tackles, he gets beaten one on one to easily and too often and he turns it over far too much.

What I don't get is every week Nathan Buckley is yelling at him, always looking p*ssed off at him and he gets a game.

People bag players like Dawes, but we need to do something about Buckley.
 
His turnovers when we win are 'just part of his game we have to put up with', the ones when we lose are 'momentum killers' and 'game changers'.
We need Benny back and to find a longer term replacement. Buckley should be depth at best.
 
Simon Buckley was one of the better players last night and set up two goals. Apart from one brain fade, he wasn't too bad. Sick of these threads bagging him out. Swan made shit decisions last night too. Should he not play again. Don't forget that ripping tackle he made in the first quarter in our forward 50.
 

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Whenever he gets possession I hold my breath and have my heart in my mouth. And then when he doesn't stuff up his disposal I breathe a sigh of relief.

We have to admit, most of Buckley's disposals are OK, some of them are even quite good - tonight he nailed a few very good passes. But gee when he stuffs up, he stuffs up in a big way.

Here's what I think Buckley's problem is: when he sees that what he is about to do is bad, he gets stage fright and he does it anyway. He doesn't know how to switch thoughts. You often see players go to do something, hesitate, then go and do something else. Buckley doesn't behave this way. When he goes to do something, then hesitates, he ends up doing it anyway. He doesn't know how to switch thoughts. He doesn't know how to unlatch from a bad idea, toss it away, and then come up with a new one.

Look, my coaching credentials are zero, but I would have thought that this is totally coachable. Sure, we've seen Malthouse and Buckley go ape at him, but I can't imagine that helps. Surely there's got to be some mental exercises, video games or something that can be used to train these mental processes. Surely somebody could sit down with him and say "Look Simon, when you centred that ball and opened up our belly, you knew that it was wrong when you kicked it, didn't you? Let's have a chat about how to manage those situations when you know what you're about to do is wrong."

He's been in the system for many years now and so time is not on his side, but he wears the Collingwood stripes and so I want him to do well.
 
Yidaki said:
Simon Buckley was one of the better players last night and set up two goals. Apart from one brain fade, he wasn't too bad. Sick of these threads bagging him out. Swan made shit decisions last night too. Should he not play again. Don't forget that ripping tackle he made in the first quarter in our forward 50.
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I'm with Yidaki on this one. I thought buckley was pretty good until that very costly turnover, and then his confidence dropped and the second half i barely sighted him.

I'd much prefer if he was a backup player only, but he is best 22 at the moment and to be honest is probably ahead of both Marty Clarke and perhaps Harry O.
 
I did enjoy some of his moments last night (statistically lead the game in goal assists. Had 3 for us and 1 for the blues) but he sets up goals for the opposition week in week out. last nights centre kick was a prime example. That was when we had some momentum and had got back in the game.
I agree with the above poster. Seems to make a decision for good or bad. You could see Swan running the ball out if defence, sees a bad option, ignores it then gets caught in a tackle dead in front 30 out. That was just how our game went last night.
 
He was better than most in our backline last night. There's a reason Clarke was dropped ahead of him. Has anyone ever thought of the mistakes our players did? Players getting holding the balls in their 50, Carlton players being loose - I believe Harry was on Betts. Jolly's tapwork, players missing easy shots.

Now, I haven't seen the replay and to be honest I don't think I will, but did anyone notice if there was any better options down the line when Buckley kicked it to Blair in the middle? Blair was by himself when he kicked the ball, but then the way Buckley kicked the ball, it just hung up there for a while, and the Carlton players came and marked over him. The idea was there, definitely, however the execution was off. We would've been away there if the kick was flat.
 
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why he gets a game, obviously I am missing something that the coaches can see
 
76woodenspooners said:
Here's what I think Buckley's problem is: when he sees that what he is about to do is bad, he gets stage fright and he does it anyway. He doesn't know how to switch thoughts. You often see players go to do something, hesitate, then go and do something else. Buckley doesn't behave this way. When he goes to do something, then hesitates, he ends up doing it anyway. He doesn't know how to switch thoughts. He doesn't know how to unlatch from a bad idea, toss it away, and then come up with a new one.
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That's how i see him too. He clearly lacks confidence and i think Nathan has really tried to pump up his tyres. I remember Bucks saying he needs to believe in himself. I'm not as confident.
 
He wasn't the worst last night, and is an easy target for supporters to abuse, but long term he won't be in our side.

The problem is, with Paine, Wellingham and maybe Thomas going out next week, it seems as if Simon will get another reprieve.
 
I could go on all day about how I want Buckley out of the side, and people who have seen my tweets will know. But it's not going to change anything unfortunately and with more injuries/suspensions he'll stay in.

Hurry up Benny :)
 

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I thought Buckley was OK for a large part early on. Obviously that turn over killed his confidence.

We have to look at it realistically though. With so many injuries we either play a seasoned player who can at least run out a game or play a youngster who is not quite ready (Seedsman etc) that will struggle to run out a game that causes our main players to work extra hard to cover for the youngster.

He is playing Ben Johnson's role and Seedsman appears the next in line for that role. We need Johnno back but until then I think we'll persist with Buckley.
 
I think he'll get a new contract with us (on quite a low salary), and he'll operate as depth throughout the year against weaker teams. He's a big, fast, AFL-ready body with a good long kick and a serious decision-making complex that will prevent him from ever excelling at the top level. That's fine, there's a position for a player like that to rotate through the squad during the year, to come in for injuries and to give players a rest over the course of the season, The problems tend to arise when we're so injured that he gets games almost every week, and against some strong opposition.

Not nearly the worst on ground last night, but did make the single worst decision. Which is about what we can expect from a depth player on base-level salary.
 
Surelyyyyy Friday was his last game for the year..

does the same thing every frickken week. enough is enough

play Seedsman, play Yagmoor play bloody Ugle. i DO NOT CARE who but he's gotta be dropped.

can cover him against the Freo's + Gold Coasts of the world but he hurts us against the decent sides!
 
We needed the ball in his hands, in the open a lot more.

3 goal assists out of 8, and he's a dud. Where were the other big names, and their beautiful kicking into the forward 50?

One mistake he made (a bad one), and that's it. Ridiculous.
 
Cloke killed our momentum a fair bit, too, missing the sitters when the team did all the hard work to get it to him. It takes the gas out of you.

Yeah, Buckley could do with a bit of work, but he's not the only contributor to these moments.
 

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I'm really not sure where I stand on Buckley. As others have said, my heart is always in my mouth when he has the ball in defence. He's got a pretty good boot on him so when he's clear he can be quite damaging but I'll need a lot more convincing that he's a good option in defence.
 
I saw both Thomas and Swan make more errors than Buckley on Friday. Where are the threads about them?

Much like me with Toovey, you guys just LOOK for Buckley's mistakes and magnify them. Buckly cost us a goal, but Swan cost us 2 or 3, and Thomas 2. In a game where you ohnly lose by 23 points, there's your ball game.
 
I worry when Buckley or Sinclair get the ball. Buckley is a good long klick when not under pressure. Unfortunately he's going to be under pressure every week and come finals he will be a big liability. Sinclare at least has time on side but neither should lay in September. Unfortunatley we have too many out long term.
 
Primetime Pricey said:
Clarke was way worse on Friday night.
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Yep, Clarke was god awful. Had no accountability and his kicking/decision making is just as bad as Buckley's.

Buckley is best 22 at the moment. He made one errant kick the whole night but go through the list and give me someone who DIDNT make a mistake against the scum. He certainly wasn't the reason we lost and I think his kicking skills in general are great. Like others have said, his decision making is what gets the better of him.

He'll play this week as he has to. Do we want Tom Young in, who will provide less penetration from half back and get lost more than Buckley does? Buckley to stay in the team.
 
Shpeshal Ed said:
I saw both Thomas and Swan make more errors than Buckley on Friday. Where are the threads about them?

Much like me with Toovey, you guys just LOOK for Buckley's mistakes and magnify them. Buckly cost us a goal, but Swan cost us 2 or 3, and Thomas 2. In a game where you ohnly lose by 23 points, there's your ball game.
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Because Buckley consistantly turns the ball over. What does Buckley contribute to the team? Yes Thomas and Swan made a few but who doesn't make errors, at least their best is great. And it's also not like Buckley is a young up and coming player, he is a MELBOURNE reject. He couldn't get a game at Melbourne! Leigh Brown was a tad different as he was a high draft pick who hadn't lived up to his potential yet. Buckley was pick 53. I'm not disputing that Buckley isn't a solid player, he has had a few nice games and is good depth, but one day something might happen, and it may not be good.
 

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