Skippos' First round Phantom Draft

[Skippos]

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[lionshine]

Great job and read mate. Could be fairly accurate as well

 

[bulldogsman]

Yeah it's a good effort but i think your definitely overrating those talls.

Another thing is the bulldogs have Grant, Jones and Cordy developing as tall forwards. Yet we only have Williams (who's often injured) and Boumann (still a little raw and could be more a utility eg. Waite) as KPD's (Everitt is not a KPD btw). If we had a choice between a tall back and forward please tell me why we wouldn't go for a tall back?

 

[Skippos]

Yeah it's a good effort but i think your definitely overrating those talls.

Another thing is the bulldogs have Grant, Jones and Cordy developing as tall forwards. Yet we only have Williams (who's often injured) and Boumann (still a little raw and could be more a utility eg. Waite) as KPD's (Everitt is not a KPD btw). If we had a choice between a tall back and forward please tell me why we wouldn't go for a tall back?

Yeah, I found it hard at Dogs. Griffiths looks like an element to the FWD line you don't have - and need (Unless you get Hall).

Jones looks like a long project, and probably won't have that grunt needed, Grant's not great IMO, and Cordy's a ruck

I think there's a stack of KPD's around late 2nd - late 3rd round in this draft, and you might target one there (Boumann - write him off IMO).

Just, tall forwards come in more varieties than tall backs, and all yours are beanpoles (Cordy, Roughead, Grant, Jones plays like one from what I've seen), and Griffiths is aggressive, contested, like a Hall or a Lynch, which would add a lot to your lineup, more than a Talia would when you have Lake etc. playing back (He'll stay).

Talia was like second choice for about 4 positions, including that one, it was hard to slot him in, he almost didn't fit.

 

[bulldogsman]

Yeah, I found it hard at Dogs. Griffiths looks like an element to the FWD line you don't have - and need (Unless you get Hall).

Jones looks like a long project, and probably won't have that grunt needed, Grant's not great IMO, and Cordy's a ruck

I think there's a stack of KPD's around late 2nd - late 3rd round in this draft, and you might target one there (Boumann - write him off IMO).

Just, tall forwards come in more varieties than tall backs, and all yours are beanpoles (Cordy, Roughead, Grant, Jones plays like one from what I've seen), and Griffiths is aggressive, contested, like a Hall or a Lynch, which would add a lot to your lineup, more than a Talia would when you have Lake etc. playing back (He'll stay).

Talia was like second choice for about 4 positions, including that one, it was hard to slot him in, he almost didn't fit.

I'm not sure how much you've seen of our talls this year but I disagree on some of your player assessments.

- Yes Jones will take a long time but some of his attack on the ball this year was Jonathon Brown. He's definitely someone who can splite open a pack. He really needs a lot bigger body to go with it atm.
- Grant needs a kick up the guts anda big pre season, he did have injuries and OP in his first year though and was always going to take time. Not sure what to think, really needs a pre season. Lead up player
- Yes Cordy is a ruck but he's also a good forward, I expect him to be our Tippet doing most of the ruck work in the forward line while Roughead and Minson do the around the ground work. Lead up player
- You must not have see Boumann this year. Boumann has completely changed his attitude around and spent the last half of the season in Williamstown seniors. This year he's improved out of sight and the coaching staff expect to see some game time next year.
- Roughead looks like more genuine ruckman who can rest up forward for a bit.

I do see your point in regards to Griffith's though in that he would add something different. But to me Jones adds this and like you said Griffiths will be a big risk. Would it really be worth it?

 

[goodie23]

Pick 16 - St. Kilda - Daniel Talia (Calder Cannons) - 2/10/91, 195cm, 80kg
No justification for this pick whatsoever, just like there was no justification for them picking up Lynch last year, but, this bloke is worthy of a higher pick, and, with Hudghton retiring, there is a bit of a need for a KPB, more of a project player, but, could be used well at St. Kilda

Lynch was picked up last year as a lead-up forward option. He's spent his year in Sandy, and will probably start getting games next year.

Talia would be a great get because St Kilda just lost a tall project player in Jarryd Allen. We've got plenty of backs who can play tall, but at the other end our depth for talls is very thin. Beyond the twin towers, the only KP forwards are Lynch and Cahill.

 

[Skippos]

I'm not sure how much you've seen of our talls this year but I disagree on some of your player assessments.

- Yes Jones will take a long time but some of his attack on the ball this year was Jonathon Brown. He's definitely someone who can splite open a pack. He really needs a lot bigger body to go with it atm.
- Grant needs a kick up the guts anda big pre season, he did have injuries and OP in his first year though and was always going to take time. Not sure what to think, really needs a pre season. Lead up player
- Yes Cordy is a ruck but he's also a good forward, I expect him to be our Tippet doing most of the ruck work in the forward line while Roughead and Minson do the around the ground work. Lead up player
- You must not have see Boumann this year. Boumann has completely changed his attitude around and spent the last half of the season in Williamstown seniors. This year he's improved out of sight and the coaching staff expect to see some game time next year.
- Roughead looks like more genuine ruckman who can rest up forward for a bit.

I do see your point in regards to Griffith's though in that he would add something different. But to me Jones adds this and like you said Griffiths will be a big risk. Would it really be worth it?

Seems like all these players are going to be stars, all australians the way you've hyped them up

He's not a huge risk. He doesn't have the RAW talent like a Butcher/Carlisle/Panos, but, he's a tank, and kind of ready made.

 

[DCFCFAN84]

Pick 4 - Fremantle - Anthony Morabito (Peel Thunder) - 29/10/91, 190cm, 90kg
Reminds me a bit of Blease, he's just that player, there's always one in the draft, that can change a game, and be amazingly effective, with little touches. He's well contested, and has a bag of tricks that WILL carry him far in AFL. Fremantle need the tall type midfielder with all the small forwards/mids they've POORLY recruited.

Poorly recruited we probably had the best draft over all last year.

 

[goodoldcats]

geelong dont need small midfielder or small forwards. how can you justify that pick?

 

[GrandBlue]

You have Talia slipping way too much. There is absolutely no way he'd slip past the dogs. If he meets with our pick, we'll comfortably take him ahead of Griffiths as we do need a CHB for the sake of depth and insurance if Williams never pulls up good (Morris and Lake are approaching 30 too). But FWIW, Talia won't even slip to out pick, Collingwood would take him with Presti aging but I had Melbourne selecting him with pick 11. He would add a whole heap more to the Dees side than Carlisle as a KPD (Which Melbourne certainly wouldn't mind).

Also, just my opinion but I think Sydney will take Kane Lucas over Rohan. Sydney lack class in their midfield and when Goodes retires, they'll get messy so they could use a silky outside midfielder, not to mention, Rohan's more of a forward and Sydney have a few of those coming in Vezpremi and Jack. Collingwood might also need a ruckman with Fraser aging and too many question marks over players like Wood and Keeffe, so Vardy and Fitzpatrick would surely be options to consider.

 

[DaVe86]

Great job. Found it informative.

Would be happy with Duncan from a Collingwood p.o.v. But i reckon we'll go a KPP. Just a gut feel. Perhaps we'll take the punt on Griffiths or Talia if available. We probably need a defender considering Nathan Brown and Reid are unproven. Yet, we also need a CHF considering Dawes, Anthony and Cloke are still unproven in my eyes.


We still have Medhurst as the mid-sized forward and Macaffer is coming on OK.

A lot will depend on Trade Week. If we were to snare a Fev or a Walker etc then you'd think we'd fix the defence with a Talia type pick, or even simply go best available and that probably means a midfielder.



Going by Hine's recruiting pattern

05: 4 mids
06: 4 talls
07: Ruck, best available
08: 4 mids

So that brings us back to talls going by this pattern. But this pattern coudl be disturbed by the distinct lack of talls. Which leads me to think we'll go tall first up and take the best one we can find, then go back to best available.

I'm hoping we don't recruit a ruckman in the draft because we have had terrible luck finding ruck this way. Would prefer we make a trade for Charman.

 

[Davis333]

I had Melbourne selecting him with pick 11. He would add a whole heap more to the Dees side than Carlisle as a KPD (Which Melbourne certainly wouldn't mind).

Demons might be looking at him at 11 because he is a good player. But we are screaming out for a forward with pick 11. Our KPD are actually coming along quite nicely, in fact we were forced to play Martin forward and ruck this year because there is no space for him. Warnock, Frawley, Martin, Rivers and Garland.

 

[Dez!]

Wouldn't mind Talia or Carlisle but I like that draft because it means we could pick up Vardy with pick #18 which would be excellent.

 

[GrandBlue]

Demons might be looking at him at 11 because he is a good player. But we are screaming out for a forward with pick 11. Our KPD are actually coming along quite nicely, in fact we were forced to play Martin forward and ruck this year because there is no space for him. Warnock, Frawley, Martin, Rivers and Garland.

I know Melbourne need a forward more than a defender but Carlisle going at pick 11 is ridiculous. Talia, while not so much a forward, would add a whole lot more to Melbourne than Carlisle would not only as a Center-Half back, but a forward too. Looking at Melbourne's key defenders, while they are stocked on them, it seems to be a case of quantity over quality. I don't rate Warnock as he usually gets creamed by the tougher opposition, Garland I think is a tad undersized but will be very good in the future, probably as a 3rd tall (something like Morris is at the dogs), Rivers has question marks over his head as he's incredibly injury prone and hadn't stepped up in 2009, Frawley looks like a good Full-Back and will probably take over Warnock in that area (IMO at least) and Martin I think can play up the ground as a utility as he has somewhat already shown that. With Talia, you get a quality center half back who can comfortably drift forward whilst in the mean-time, Garland/Martin/Rivers could fill in. I still think he's a much better option than Carlisle who goes missing quite often in games.

 

[bulldogsman]

Seems like all these players are going to be stars, all australians the way you've hyped them up

He's not a huge risk. He doesn't have the RAW talent like a Butcher/Carlisle/Panos, but, he's a tank, and kind of ready made.

Mate the only bloke I talked up was Cordy who will be a star and all australian btw . I suggest you re-read my post again and tell me where I said all these blokes will be stars.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on Griffith's. Personally, I don't think he deserves to be picked so highly.

 

[coke_zero]

i would rather richmond pick Martin than Butcher. but that may change

 

[Mofra]

Fair write up. Just worth noting that Bulldogs staff have definately talked to Talia so if he's available I'm not sure we'd pass him up. KPD are what we really need after stocking up on talls/rucks the past 2 years.

 

[Skippos]

Poorly recruited we probably had the best draft over all last year.

In the past though.

You have Talia slipping way too much. There is absolutely no way he'd slip past the dogs. If he meets with our pick, we'll comfortably take him ahead of Griffiths as we do need a CHB for the sake of depth and insurance if Williams never pulls up good (Morris and Lake are approaching 30 too). But FWIW, Talia won't even slip to out pick, Collingwood would take him with Presti aging but I had Melbourne selecting him with pick 11. He would add a whole heap more to the Dees side than Carlisle as a KPD (Which Melbourne certainly wouldn't mind).

Also, just my opinion but I think Sydney will take Kane Lucas over Rohan. Sydney lack class in their midfield and when Goodes retires, they'll get messy so they could use a silky outside midfielder, not to mention, Rohan's more of a forward and Sydney have a few of those coming in Vezpremi and Jack. Collingwood might also need a ruckman with Fraser aging and too many question marks over players like Wood and Keeffe, so Vardy and Fitzpatrick would surely be options to consider.

Valid & Valid

Great job. Found it informative.

Would be happy with Duncan from a Collingwood p.o.v. But i reckon we'll go a KPP. Just a gut feel. Perhaps we'll take the punt on Griffiths or Talia if available. We probably need a defender considering Nathan Brown and Reid are unproven. Yet, we also need a CHF considering Dawes, Anthony and Cloke are still unproven in my eyes.


We still have Medhurst as the mid-sized forward and Macaffer is coming on OK.

A lot will depend on Trade Week. If we were to snare a Fev or a Walker etc then you'd think we'd fix the defence with a Talia type pick, or even simply go best available and that probably means a midfielder.



Going by Hine's recruiting pattern

05: 4 mids
06: 4 talls
07: Ruck, best available
08: 4 mids

So that brings us back to talls going by this pattern. But this pattern coudl be disturbed by the distinct lack of talls. Which leads me to think we'll go tall first up and take the best one we can find, then go back to best available.

I'm hoping we don't recruit a ruckman in the draft because we have had terrible luck finding ruck this way. Would prefer we make a trade for Charman.

Valid

I know Melbourne need a forward more than a defender but Carlisle going at pick 11 is ridiculous. Talia, while not so much a forward, would add a whole lot more to Melbourne than Carlisle would not only as a Center-Half back, but a forward too. Looking at Melbourne's key defenders, while they are stocked on them, it seems to be a case of quantity over quality. I don't rate Warnock as he usually gets creamed by the tougher opposition, Garland I think is a tad undersized but will be very good in the future, probably as a 3rd tall (something like Morris is at the dogs), Rivers has question marks over his head as he's incredibly injury prone and hadn't stepped up in 2009, Frawley looks like a good Full-Back and will probably take over Warnock in that area (IMO at least) and Martin I think can play up the ground as a utility as he has somewhat already shown that. With Talia, you get a quality center half back who can comfortably drift forward whilst in the mean-time, Garland/Martin/Rivers could fill in. I still think he's a much better option than Carlisle who goes missing quite often in games.

Again, Valid

Fair write up. Just worth noting that Bulldogs staff have definately talked to Talia so if he's available I'm not sure we'd pass him up. KPD are what we really need after stocking up on talls/rucks the past 2 years.

Valid, didn't know that


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thanks lads, I wasn't completely sure on a club by club factor, didn't have the in-depth knowledge of each club as compared to those who support their own club, so thanks

 

[krisholio14]

geelong dont need small midfielder or small forwards. how can you justify that pick?

Wojak is getting long in the tooth, and this bloke could be the fellow we groom to replace him.

 

[MitchyRichmond]

Good work matey.

 

[hawk life]

Great read.

Don't agree with a lot but this is your opinion and was well written.

Hawthorn wont have a pick in the first round but if they did I like the look of Cunningham. Talia is someone we would have looked at as well.

The bolter for this draft will be Jetta. He will be a very handy player and I think if he is still there Melbourne will pick him up at 11.

 

[Skippos]

Great read.

Don't agree with a lot but this is your opinion and was well written.

Hawthorn wont have a pick in the first round but if they did I like the look of Cunningham. Talia is someone we would have looked at as well.

The bolter for this draft will be Jetta. He will be a very handy player and I think if he is still there Melbourne will pick him up at 11.

Oldies. Remind me of Ballantyne. Expected to be better, because he's older, but won't be/wasn't.

 

[Demon 16]

Nice draft mate

One point - you say you dont beleive in drafting for needs but you have Panos, Carlisle and Griffiths going higher than you think they're worth because of the clubs needs?

I actually agree with you on the needs point though - I think Melbourne might pull a surprise and go with a midfielder with pick 11 if Butcher and Talia are taken.

 

[goodoldcats]

Wojak is getting long in the tooth, and this bloke could be the fellow we groom to replace him.

so we are going to draft a very small forward and turn him into a running back.
nah dont think so. we are more likely to draft a key back

 

[Davis333]

I know Melbourne need a forward more than a defender but Carlisle going at pick 11 is ridiculous.

Agreed.

Panos and Talia would be the KPP players Melbourne would be looking at that warrant 11th pick. However if Tapscott is available I would be upset if the demons didn't take him. Either Carlise or Griffiths should still be around at pick 18. There is no way so many KPP are going to go as high as they are in this Phantom Draft.