If you had read my post correctly, where I mentioned Reid being a good matchup for Gumbleton etc , you may just have realised that the arrows inferred changes to be made, not who was the better player.
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If you had read my post correctly, where I mentioned Reid being a good matchup for Gumbleton etc , you may just have realised that the arrows inferred changes to be made, not who was the better player.
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I think the OP covered it.
Bloody oath. With Dawes playing up forward in the AFL, our VFL side needs a tall forward and they're obviously not playing Rusling up there. Josh Fraser, come on down... until you show you're capable of playing your new role as a tall forward who pinch hits in the ruck.
Harsh... his kicking skills aren't that bad.
I do get a laugh out of MM though; in one breath he's saying Jolly is our #1 ruckman, in another he's saying Josh's role is to spend 50% of the time in the ruck. If that were true, that would mean Jolly could spend no more than 50% of time in the ruck himself, and in fact Josh would likely be the #1 ruck.
Josh needs to find a role he can play well in the seniors, because at the moment he's like the 2nd best wicketkeeper in a Test squad. He's not the best at his nominal role, and he isn't good enough at anything else to warrant selection.
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But if he comes back in the side this week (or at any stage)
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I took it as Fraser will spend 50 % of his TOG in the ruck. Given that Fraser is averaging 60-65% game time this year, it means he should only be taking on approx 30% of the total ruck duties, which is fair by my reckoning.
And i'd like to add a touch of conservitiveness when it comes to expecting a dawes to come in and be the answer to our forward line problems. This is highly unlikely in the near future, at least on a consistent basis. Evidence to this is Taylor Walker at the Crows.
Walker barely played a game in his first year, despite regularly kicking 5+ goals for his SANFL team and every single crows supporter screaming for his selection (much like some of the dawes worshippers on this forum.) From then, he has retained a fairly consistent spot, yet his senior form is highly inconsistent, to the point that he has been dropped from a crows list this week which is desperate for fit forwards.
Believe you me, he will go back to the 2nds and dominate just as he always does, but for some players, finding consistent senior form is the difference between being a talented potential and becoming a successful AFL player.
Regardless, you do need to reward efforts and punish mediocrity, which is why i feel Dawes should get the opportunity to prove himself at the expense of some players who are less deserving of their spots atm.
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I must admit that doesn't sound unreasonable... I'll pay that.
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Out: L Brown Macaffer
Also Frasers last chance to step up other wise come on in Cameron Wood
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Also Frasers last chance to step up other wise come on in Cameron Wood
I had the same theory at first, BUT.I must admit that doesn't sound unreasonable... I'll pay that.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/92831/default.aspx
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/newsfeatures/news/newsarticle/tabid/5586/newsid/92831/default.aspx
That equates to 75/80 percent obviously. If he was talking in terms of just Fraser's TOG, wouldn't it be in terms of 100 percent? I assumed he meant 50% ruck, 25-30% in another role and 20-25% benched.
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Better; he's averaged 4 goals over his last 4 games.
Didn't he kick 5 points also?
He may have had a good game - but this thread assumes that it is an absolute lock that he has earned the right to play senior football this week... I think thats a bit rich as in a VFL side against inferior opposition you'de be thinking he be capable of kicking 6 or 7 every week to be assumed a senior position - this is something he has not done.
Better; he's averaged 4 goals over his last 4 games.
Obviously including the 7 he kicked in a VFL practice match?
How many has he kicked in the actual season?
But he's also playing in a VFL side, and as a forward you tend to depend on your midfield winning the ball in the first place. From that perspective, his performance was good enough to warrant AFL selection (in a side screaming for quality tall forwards).
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His first game of the actual season will be this Sunday at the MCG.
His first game of the actual season will be this Sunday at the MCG.
Ahhh... very good
But (I am only going off what I read on the bigfooty VFL thread)... didn't he kick 3 goals 5 points... and one that missed everything?
That would make his conversion rate 37.5% (or 33.3% if you include the one that missed everything) - hardly a conversion rate for a KPP we are looking for?
I would love to see Dawes come in and kick some serious scores - but surely he hasn't demanded his inclusion yet?
Shown some good signs - YES
Demanded his inclusion through results - ???
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No point in comparing his results to some arbitrary figure in your head, when you have the likes of Fraser and Brown in the seniors who are doing absolutely nothing. In terms of performing amongst the best 22 players on our playing list, in position or no, he has indeed demanded his inclusion.
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Smoky, I've made this point before, but absolutely no-one kicks "5 or 6" every week in the VFL, especially in a team geared towards development.
It's about the same as requiring a midfielder to get 45 possessions every week in the VFL.
It's about the same as requiring a midfielder to get 45 possessions every week in the VFL.
Some arbitrary figure in my head... You mean like a conversion rate of 37.5%! If any senior forward was converting at that rate we would surely be calling for his head.
Dawes can't ruck... or play defense.
Comparing Dawes to Fraser and Brown is a matter of opinion.
Getting 45 possessions in the VFL - I'd say that would be more along the lines of 10 - 12 goals a game.
So....
- how many goals has Dawes actually kicked this season in the VFL?
- What is his conversion rate like in the same period
(Glad to see you edited out your "Idicocy" comment... It's an opinion on facts... and classing someones opinion as something like that on this board I have been carded for in the recent past)
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No, like 5-6 goals per game. 37.5% wasn't arbitrary, it was actual. It was also in the absence of any context, ie. that several of those shots were from deep in a pocket, and at least two of them were in a pocket from which no player scored a goal all day because of the wind.
Sure he can.
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No Smoky, that's just my point. It's not like 10-12. It's like 5-6. If someone can find the "Leading Goalkickers" table for the VFL for AFL-affiliated clubs, you'll see my point very clearly.
Anything over 3 goals a game in the VFL is absolutely spectacular.
- 16 in 4 games.
- Don't know, and it doesn't matter as 4 games isn't a big enough sample to say anything decisive. We do know, however, that he is a better kick for goal than any of Cloke, Fraser or L.Brown, by some margin.
I meant it in a general sense, but deleted it because I could see it could be misconstrued.
Basically, my challenge to you would be this; Find me an AFL listed player who has played 10 or more games in the VFL and averaged 5 goals or more. I think you'll find the list has zero names on it. Just like the list of those who average 45 possessions a game.
John Anthony... Luke Rounds both kicked 3 in round 1...
7 players kicked 4 or more.
Round 2 - 7 players kicked 4 or more.
Calling them all absolutely spectacular???
5 goals - in 2 games.
Conversion rate 37.5% last week.
WTF? I'm happy for him to have done it maybe one or two weeks - I'm not saying that he has to do it over ten games... don't put words in my mouth.
Obviously there are seven players in round one and another seven in round 2 that have kicked 4 or more (up to 7) in a game. Dawes averages 2.5 goals a game in the VFL this year.
You keep comparing this to players who get 45 possessions a game - instead of me asking you to find something ridiculous like someone who has averaged that over the past 10 games - how about 1 player in the entire first 2 rounds in the VFL who has got 45 possession in 1 game? Just one player... any team? (It was your example)
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I wouldn't dream of it...
The rest of the post is cherry-picking nonsense. He's played 4 games this year, and has kicked 16 goals. That's a fact.
Stuff like "37.5% accuracy" is just silly, considering I could just as easily turn around and say: 'well, he had 100% accuracy the week before'.
Fwiw, what's the last time any of our current AFL talls created 8 scoring shots in any level of competition?