Draft Watcher Smythe's 2021 Draft Thread - Full Phantom with pick swaps post #295

[theGav56]

Firstly, neither JHF or Johnson looked to be trying to hard, and played off each other...A LOT, there was huge leg rope between them, and whilst he did beat him on the day there were patches where Johnson was in the wrong spot and looked a bit disinterested. I think he had a good game and showed why he is a top talent this year, Essendon would be a good fit, sydney too, but in this mock the cards fell a different way with others being available and/or not available.

If you read what i said about freo i was saying its just IMO, and my opinion on their back 6 is not wrong in any sense but you are also allowed to staunchly defend it. Im not saying freo will do this, its just waht i think they should do.
BUT what i also said that what i think FREO will do, especially if given the second pick, is go Erasmus and Amiss, covering those needs as you have put....and actually so did i.
I also posted that IMO there are 1 or 2 holes in your back 6....as you have named 3, which i think i mentioned them all also, name another 3.... Pearce is 26 yes but will be an injury proned 27 year old who cannot get through half a season (don't get me wrong, when he is playing and fit he is a solid def) and Hamling...pfft, leaving 1 or 2 holes in their back 6. i don't see where that is wrong, its just fact. Then on the list there is nothing, maybe they try to get bazzo before their second or if available (possible but not likely if bazzo continues this recent form) at their second. there is also polson and a few other overagers available at the end or in rookie for them to give a go.
In your opinion do you think Lobb will leave, i hear there is a chance? that would leave another big hole down forward.

Our 3 starting tall defenders are Pearce, Logue and Cox in my opinion. Support is available from Hamling and Chapman, although Hughes, Ryan and Young have all demonstrated capacity to play the role. Any of those could be strong candidates for the best 22, plus we have the smaller defenders Wilson and Walker.

The contrast with our forward stocks is stark. It is Taberner, Lobb and Treacy, supported only by smalls who rarely kick goals.

Lobb won't leave imo. Taberner has never played a full season, Treacy is 19. The only situations I can see the Lobb leaving are highly unlikely: massive overs at the trade table from GCSs OR English, McDonald or Jackson heading our way.

 

[Smythe]

Our 3 starting tall defenders are Pearce, Logue and Cox in my opinion. Support is available from Hamling and Chapman, although Hughes, Ryan and Young have all demonstrated capacity to play the role. Any of those could be strong candidates for the best 22, plus we have the smaller defenders Wilson and Walker.

The contrast with our forward stocks is stark. It is Taberner, Lobb and Treacy, supported only by smalls who rarely kick goals.

Lobb won't leave imo. Taberner has never played a full season, Treacy is 19. The only situations I can see the Lobb leaving are highly unlikely: massive overs at the trade table from GCSs OR English, McDonald or Jackson heading our way.

Freo will be an interesting watch during the trade and draft period that is for sure....unless Bell has other ideas.

 

[briztoon]

I was thinking along the same lines, but also with a dearth of mids and wingers in your team and next year ashcroft etc and the lack of KPP and/or developing KPP's i went with JVR who is showing himself to be an excellent swingman DEF/FWD and then Bazzo as a taller intercepting def to add to the stocks.

There’s a lot of discussions on our board (a lot driven by me) about current team needs. A lot of members see us in our window now, and are looking for win now draftees.

A big need is speed through the midfield, inside and outside.

Obviously who is available at our selections dictates who we get.

 

[Off Tap]

The Eagles pick Amiss over Erasmus? Are you trying to wind Eagles fans up?

I'm hopeful that WCE just go for the best player available with our first regardless of their position as we have holes throughout our squad.

I doubt anyone we select in this draft is going to get us contending again in 2022 so in my opinion, we need to take the long term approach.

Out of curiosity (I have no idea as I haven't seen any of the current crop coming through) who do you think we should take with our 1st?

 

[mattyc75]

Waiting for the fans of both WA teams to bring fire and pitch forks.

Ha,i can definitely see the eagles taking Amiss but apart from the fact that I think freo will take him earlier the eagles most pressing need is midfielders

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

 

[briztoon]

Just some general list need observations.

It’s pretty clear Gold Coast’s two most pressing needs are KPD and KPF, followed by speed off half back.

GWS look like they need KPD.

As the Freo posters have mentioned KPF is their main need. Obviously if Cerra goes, another inside mid. Also outside speed is discussed a lot on their board.

West Coast, I believe midfield is their most pressing area of need.

Sydney probably inside mid and ruck or ruck forward.

Richmond need inside mids, followed by KPF I would think.

 

[Smythe]

Ha,i can definitely see the eagles taking Amiss but apart from the fact that I think freo will take him earlier the eagles most pressing need is midfielders

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk

yeah there is a plethora of midfielders this year and next to help them

 

[Smythe]

I'm hopeful that WCE just go for the best player available with our first regardless of their position as we have holes throughout our squad.

I doubt anyone we select in this draft is going to get us contending again in 2022 so in my opinion, we need to take the long term approach.

Out of curiosity (I have no idea as I haven't seen any of the current crop coming through) who do you think we should take with our 1st?

Longterm, you need KPF and mids, bigtime. not too many fwds available but mids a plenty. They could go for Johnson at their first, but then there is also Warner, Dittmar, Connor Macdonald. To run the wings of the grounds, howes, wanganeen-milera, Brown, Bergman.
Truly with their first they will most likely go for Johnson if available.

 

[Smythe]

Just some general list need observations.

It’s pretty clear Gold Coast’s two most pressing needs are KPD and KPF, followed by speed off half back.

GWS look like they need KPD.

As the Freo posters have mentioned KPF is their main need. Obviously if Cerra goes, another inside mid. Also outside speed is discussed a lot on their board.

West Coast, I believe midfield is their most pressing area of need.

Sydney probably inside mid and ruck or ruck forward.

Richmond need inside mids, followed by KPF I would think.

Gc, agreed, but they are too high up for Gibcus i would have thought although i have heard he may be in consideration. There will be a few options open at 19* for a KPF.
GWS - i had gibcus going there earlier in the year and he still may, but i cannot see how they would pass on Callaghan here on that draft.
With Freo, i have stated, if they get 2 picks in a row, it will most likely be if available, Erasmus and then Amiss. if Erasmus not available maybe Johnson. I have Gibcus here on mine as i think they need a KPD and may not have any others available at a latter pick.
Wce definitely need mids and there are plenty there.
Richmond need KPD, KPF, (they may trade for a mid who knows) but when it comes to mids, they have plenty of developing mids, and Riley Collier-Dawkins leads all rising stars in centre clearances and is getting games under his belt with other mids developing too, mids are the least of their concern, i can, however, see them trading for a senior mid to help with the push for another tilt at a flag if they believe they are still in the window. With their position/s in the draft it is very interesting to see what they will do. Obviously first, best available then fill some needs.

 

[theGav56]

Freo will be an interesting watch during the trade and draft period that is for sure....unless Bell has other ideas.

Bell seems to like to complicate things. I hope the metrics of this draft are so clear that he ignores himself. Our needs are to replace Cerra and to build the forward line. Pace and clean delivery have been highlighted as desirable.

Erasmus/Goater/Johnson/Roberts/other mid, especially one who can impact forward.

Amiss/JVR/Andrew/Williams/other potential tall forward.

We possibly have 8, 10, 27 + whatever other picks we scramble together. Very achievable.

 

[SumaGodCoach]

I'm hopeful that WCE just go for the best player available with our first regardless of their position as we have holes throughout our squad.

I doubt anyone we select in this draft is going to get us contending again in 2022 so in my opinion, we need to take the long term approach.

Out of curiosity (I have no idea as I haven't seen any of the current crop coming through) who do you think we should take with our 1st?

If the draft played out this way definitely Erasmus, but I think he would be gone before our pick. A lot of Eagles fans are into Johnson, but personally I think he should go 16-20. One of Hobbs or Ward from Victoria are a chance to make it through to pick 12 and I'd be happy with either one.

 

[blueiris]

1ST ROUND PHANTOM + Gc Compo

1. Nick Daicos - Coll (BID MATCHED)
2. Jason Horne-Francis - Nth
3. Sam Darcy - Wb (BID MATCHED)
4. Finn Callaghan - Gws
5. Josh Sinn - Gc
6. Arlo Draper - Adel
7. Ben Hobbs - Haw
8. Josh Goater - Carl
9. Josh Ward - Rich
10. Josh Gibcus - Freo
11. Mac Andrew - Stk
12. Jye Amiss - Wce
13. Neil Erasmus - Ess
14. Darcy Wilmot - Syd
15. Sam Butler - Gws
16. Jacob Van Rooyen - Bris
17. Josh Rachele - Rich
18. Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera - Port
19. Josh Fahey - Gws (BID MATCHED)
20. Rhett Bazzo - Bris
21. Campbell Chesser - Gc (COMPO)

2 key defenders surely the Lions add to they’re midfield

 

[Off Tap]

Longterm, you need KPF and mids, bigtime. not too many fwds available but mids a plenty. They could go for Johnson at their first, but then there is also Warner, Dittmar, Connor Macdonald. To run the wings of the grounds, howes, wanganeen-milera, Brown, Bergman.
Truly with their first they will most likely go for Johnson if available.

If the draft played out this way definitely Erasmus, but I think he would be gone before our pick. A lot of Eagles fans are into Johnson, but personally I think he should go 16-20. One of Hobbs or Ward from Victoria are a chance to make it through to pick 12 and I'd be happy with either one.

The Bullies would have to be looking at trading their 1st pick this year. It might be obtainable by using a package of our latter picks in order to move up the draft and have two picks in the top 20.

29, 36 and 65 = 15 and 70 (+94 points)

Or would we be better hanging onto 29 and 36 (if the draft runs deeper)?

 

[Smythe]

The Bullies would have to be looking at trading their 1st pick this year. It might be obtainable by using a package of our latter picks in order to move up the draft and have two picks in the top 20.

29, 36 and 65 = 15 and 70 (+94 points)

Or would we be better hanging onto 29 and 36 (if the draft runs deeper)?

you would have to offer significantly more than that. Late first round and a second probably or 2 very early seconds. Dogs will likely move that pick but for the most they can get and +94 points is nowhere near close enough.
Richmond could offer 26 and 28 (currently) and to the dogs that is worth more also plus later pick swaps or next year pick swaps
Hawthorn could top it and offer 21, 24 (currently) with later or next year swaps also etc.

Dogs will get the best deal they can

 

[Swiggy]

2 key defenders surely the Lions add to they’re midfield

Van Rooyen is forward

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Thanks for the effort Smythe, I will burn the place down if we use a top 10 pick on a defender but I appreciate the thought going into it

 

[Smythe]

Thanks for the effort Smythe, I will burn the place down if we use a top 10 pick on a defender but I appreciate the thought going into it

fair enough, but once again, it was just what i am thinking for longer term. I did say what i think will happen also, either Erasmus (if available) or Johnson, then with Cerra pick if it happens, Amiss.

 

[Smythe]

Van Rooyen is forward

he started as a forward but has been playing back and did so against SA recently very well. He is a swingman.

 

[blueiris]

Van Rooyen is forward

He’s been playing defender the last month and apparently is better suited there than forward

 

[Davo-27]

He’s been playing defender the last month and apparently is better suited there than forward

11 goals in 2 games is pretty good for a defender

 

[Swiggy]

he started as a forward but has been playing back and did so against SA recently very well. He is a swingman.

He's a forward only playing back because of injures in the state team.

 

[Smythe]

He's a forward only playing back because of injures in the state team.

That's correct

 

[LittleG]

The Bullies would have to be looking at trading their 1st pick this year. It might be obtainable by using a package of our latter picks in order to move up the draft and have two picks in the top 20.

29, 36 and 65 = 15 and 70 (+94 points)

Or would we be better hanging onto 29 and 36 (if the draft runs deeper)?

The dogs will get offers of +200-400 points for their first OR will target your future first plus a pick like 29/36.

 

[theGav56]

He's a forward only playing back because of injures in the state team.

You could argue that if he didn't dominate in defense opening up the options for whoever recruits him.

 

[Off Tap]

The dogs will get offers of +200-400 points for their first OR will target your future first plus a pick like 29/36.

29, 36 and 50 > 14 by 280 points