So how do we do it?

[Lukesta63]

How do we beat Collingwood?
This is for all the tacticians(that's you gbatman,msr and 3y.o blue)

I notice on kick-outs they line up as a grid(like a soccer team) and press into the defensive 50.
Also the most damaging part of their structure seems to be their half-back line.Two weeks ago against us they pushed it up to the centre at times when they were attacking.

So how do we or any team combat this structure??

 

[DamianBis]

Look at how geelong beat it at times last night.

As soon as you get it out of your defensive 50 quick. they're gone.... someone who can kick 70m would be nice. cause if you can get the ball almost past their zone from the kick in then you're good.

You will not beat them by kicking it into the pockets from the kick out.

 

[blues4flag]

What you can't afford to do is kick the ball forward blindly. Exactly what Collingwood wants you to do as their half backs push up and guard the dangerous area.

As DamianBis said, get the ball over the half backs and you're a very good chance to said. Much easier said than done, though. Fast ball movement through run and looking short rather than bombing it long when under pressure. Though Collingwood love to congest the midfield making it very hard to link up by hand.

Very well drilled team with excellent discipline. There's a reason they are 6 points clear on top of the ladder. Probably their biggest weakness at the moment is inaccuracy. Only converted at 38% vs Geelong and 50% vs us the week before.

Though don't think we're going to have to worry about beating them again this season, unfortunately.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

How do we beat Collingwood?
This is for all the tacticians(that's you gbatman,msr and 3y.o blue)

I notice on kick-outs they line up as a grid(like a soccer team) and press into the defensive 50.
Also the most damaging part of their structure seems to be their half-back line.Two weeks ago against us they pushed it up to the centre at times when they were attacking.

So how do we or any team combat this structure??

Study it over the summer as its irrelevant for us this year as we wont get another look at them this year!!

 

[serenityNow]

Study it over the summer as its irrelevant for us this year as we wont get another look at them this year!!

Agree.


Hawthorn, Dockers & Sydney are the teams we should be thinking about, as we will meet one of them first week in september & they have all beaten us this season.

 

[parrot]

Watched last nights game with interest. Actually think we have exactly the right type of team to expose the Pies weaknesses. When the Cats faster players got on top and cut through the middle it exposed the Pies lack of leg-speed and the vulnerability of their defenders one-out - especially Maxwell. We've got plenty of players that can do just that. Cats should have won that game - missed plenty of opportunity in front of goal. Players like Hawkins and Longerhan hurt the Cats. Cats should have played a real 2nd ruck and exposed Leroy Brown's ruck incompetence. That would have resulted in a heap more clearances. Ottens was already beating Jolly comfortably, just like Warnock did the week before. Cats are the team to beat this year. Despite their lazy performance last night, they have bucketloads more talent on their list, and know how to wins finals unlike the Pies who are predominantly an ultra-defensive-along-the-boundary H&A specialist outfit.

 

[blues4flag]

Cats should have won that game - missed plenty of opportunity in front of goal.

Yep. They only had 12 less scoring shots.

 

[blue gunslinger]

How did we beat Geelong & StKilda?
We ran hard from the start, we tackled hard, we backed our skills and executed, we did not over commit, we worked together, we built and maintained pressure constantly, we shut down some of their big threats

 

[GoBlues!]

As Clint said, "..a team's gotta know its limitations."

Let's worry about making the 8 first and getting over Richmond and Freo - and then beating teams we'll play in the first week of the finals like Sydney, Freo or the Hawks.

If we get past the first week of finals, we'll worry about it then.

 

[dumb]

teams have been combatting zone defences (kick-outs) by flooding to one side to so that they have numbers against the zone, in fact dean bailey made mention of this against collingwood i'm pretty sure.

 

[Lukesta63]

As Clint said, "..a team's gotta know its limitations."

Let's worry about making the 8 first and getting over Richmond and Freo - and then beating teams we'll play in the first week of the finals like Sydney, Freo or the Hawks.

If we get past the first week of finals, we'll worry about it then.

People I wasn't insinuating we'll play them in a prelim!
I'm asking on the basis they are a very well drilled unit and some other teams in the 8 mimic their structure/game plan to a certain extent.

 

[40yearBLUE]

All over pressure and midfield dominance is the key to beating just about any team, and making the most of 50 entries, scoreboard pressure.

Interestingly if the Pies dont win it this year I believe they will crumble again, like they did after their last GF failure. I dont have any reason, or facts, just hope I guess!

 

[mediumsizered]

What you can't afford to do is kick the ball forward blindly. Exactly what Collingwood wants you to do as their half backs push up and guard the dangerous area.

As DamianBis said, get the ball over the half backs and you're a very good chance to said. Much easier said than done, though. Fast ball movement through run and looking short rather than bombing it long when under pressure. Though Collingwood love to congest the midfield making it very hard to link up by hand.

Very well drilled team with excellent discipline. There's a reason they are 6 points clear on top of the ladder. Probably their biggest weakness at the moment is inaccuracy. Only converted at 38% vs Geelong and 50% vs us the week before.

Though don't think we're going to have to worry about beating them again this season, unfortunately.

Agree with this. Quick ball movement, preferably through the corridor is the only way to beat them at the moment. You cannot allow them time to set up their various zones. They are very disciplined in maintaining their zones & if you fall for the trap of going wide & chipping the ball around, you have given up the game.

When kicking out from behinds (of which they kick plenty) you cannot afford to fall into the trap of taking the cheap option & going for the short pass into the pocket. They will lock you in your D50 until you turn the ball over. The player kicking out either needs to be able to go long outside 50, or play on, in the process gaining 10-15m before kicking to a tall, preferably in the corridor. Geelong's Josh Hunt is very good at this & even Collingwood's own Goldsack attempted the long kickout on a number of occasions.

When going forward a traditional forward set up will not work. KP forwards will struggle to kick goals against Collingwood, but I think you can exploit their non-defensive defenders eg Shaw, Maxwell & Thomas. This will require your small & medium forwards to do a lot of running, changing direction, but not getting sucked too far up the field. Collingwood's defenders are very good at setting up for the quick, but blind kick into the forward line, but if you have your small/medium forwards constantly providing leads in different directions inside the F50, backtracking & changing direction, they get caught out. This is why Melbourne trouble them because they do not rely on a traditional forward set-up, with KP forwards being the 'go tos'. Instead they get their goals from a number of small/medium forwards.

All of the above is dependent on your running defenders, mids & tall marking targets delivering the ball well into the forward line. This is made somewhat easier if teammates are protecting the player with the ball, allowing him to dispose under less pressure, because Collingwood's major strength is the amount of pressure they put on the ball carrier, causing turnovers & catching their opposition out of position on the rebound.

Of course all of this is good in theory, but as we saw last night, even a quality team like Geelong can be forced into rushing their disposal, making mistakes & pushing the ball wide because of Collingwood's discipline. A quality team that is totally on their game, such as Geelong & the Bulldogs, are probably going to be best able to overcome Collingwood's disciplined zones.

 

[Stamos]

A few key points for beating the Pies are:
1. Apply pressure, tackle, block, shepherd etc. as well as they do, and win the clearances.
2. Be precise into the forwardline, so that their half backs don't just pick it off.
3. Tag O'Brien
4. Tag Didack
5. Don't bother tagging their midfielders, but be accountable.
6. When you get a chance, make them pay on the scoreboard.

Pies played a lot better than the Cats last night, but if it wasn't for the shocking decision not paying the Byrnes' goal, I think they would have lost.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Another way impotent Collingwood supporters can claim their club to be as successful as Essendon and Carlton

 

[Stamos]

Here's another one f*&#wit.
25 Runners-up.

You've only won won flag in over 50 years. You guys are jokes.

 

[Stamos]

Most Premierships.
That's all that matters.
Now F off back to your own board.

 

[gbatman]

It's hard to say really how to beat them. I would think we would have to do what we don't do great and focus on getting numbers behind the play and try and drag them as deep into their forwardline as we can and try and open the midfield right up and hence forward line right up. I recon we need to play our hardest ball winners in the center like Hadley, Ellard, Judd and Mclean. We need to play a low scoring match, flood back and attempt to break hard in numbers from deep in defence like the doggies do and try and out run them. We also have to play a very tough physical style of footy like we did against Essendon, lots of contested ball, the old bassic get the ball out of the contest and to the wide runners type stuff. The problem is I don't recon we can beat them at the one on one stuff but stranger things have happened.
The key is beat them in the one on ones, flood their forwardline and suck them in as far back as possible and set up for big runs from defence. We nearly have to concede and let them get it through the midfield easily by focusing on getting numbers back in defence and use the turn overs in their forward line to open up space and play a running game. Have the tough nuts play on the ball and players like Carrazzo, Murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Yarran, Garlett, Lucas etc set up to run hard forward into the space created by our deep flood. Might work or maybe if we can keep this tough team we had against essendon going, maybe our one on one style might just do the job. Get a forward line with one full forward would be ideal, Waite, Betts and Garlett would be dangerous coming out of the goal square when it's open.

Baisically we need to open up the game and drag collingwood players as deep into our defence as we can and make it a running game, we also need to win the contests and this is the hardest part.