Some Questions For Atheists

[linga_is_no1]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

 

[TheBigT]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.
Since when do morals and ethics count as part of a religion? Surely i can have my own beliefs about what is right and wrong in this world without beleiving in a God. Remember that the Nazis were mainly Christians.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.
Sure his claim to being the Son of God is considered by me to be madness but his moral teachings about how to treat others are sperate from that. He might not have intended to be a great moral teached but who does?
3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?
In the belief that Geelong would after 44 years win the flag. Your faith has been answered.
4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies
Mental health issues. Same as sympathy pregnancy's. Does religion explain that?
Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

Btw i'd consider myself more agnostic than atheist but hope that helps you.

 

[Chase the Ace]

Why do you need a crutch to get through life?

Why do you need to believe in some higher being/spirit?

If there was no god (I say there isn't) how would your life change?

Man made God, God didn't make man

 

[Bretski]

All can pretty much be explained by understanding the origins of how religion evolved in our minds. Learn about the by-product theory and it is really interesting.

All in all, yeah if we're all a bunch of atoms nothing more, then nothing matters more than something else, but our brains have evolved a sense of "meaning" (in blunt terms) if you will, to better survive as a species, and no matter how atheist i am, i will always cling on to my sense of meaning even though i know it wasn't intelligently designed.

 

[Bretski]

Why do you need a crutch to get through life?

Why do you need to believe in some higher being/spirit?

If there was no god (I say there isn't) how would your life change?

Man made God, God didn't make man

It make a massive difference, people of faith have way better lives than us, I am greatly jealous of them, the more i hang out with them, i still wish i had their mind virus, it is a sweet delusion. You cannot judge without experiencing it, so i trust them when they speak of how great it is to have the faith they have.

 

[cancat]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

I assume your god is Christian. And you believe that Gandhi, not being a Christian, gets the same 'feat' as Hitler. And the Jews who died in the holocaust all went to hell.

 

[Bretski]

Sad but true

 

[DaveW]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

Your line of reasoning here is that life sucks so there must be something more. Put that way the non-sequitur is plain.

In any case, why do you need the promise of eternal reward (or fear of eternal punishment) to do good things? A good deed is its own reward.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.

In a nutshell: no nuance, pick a side! Do you really find this argument, this false dichotomy strawman, convincing? It's easy to reach the conclusion you want when you start with a premise choc full of convenient assumptions.

I'll give the argument one thing though. If Jesus was around today he would be considered a madman.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

A female nipple exists to feed infants, a male nipple exists for what reason?

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

You want us to explain your delusions?

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

Please intelligent reasoning not these half-baked non-arguments.

 

[Sportman1987]

I assume your god is Christian. And you believe that Gandhi, not being a Christian, gets the same 'feat' as Hitler. And the Jews who died in the holocaust all went to hell.

Hahaha! Well played sir

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

That's wrong on a number of levels. Murder isn't wrong simply because religion says it's wrong. Indeed, most religions have some version of an afterlife. Death is the doorway. One could take the subsequent view that ending life prematurely hastens that soul's journey to whatever afterlife awaits them. Looked at in this way, a religious person of a certain slant might look at death as a 'favour'. Murder becomes justifiable. Is this fair? Do we presume to know the mind of Allah/Buddha/God?

Valuing human life is not the exclusive domain of any religion. I've lived my whole life without the influence of religion. A deity has no role in my life. I treat people the way I want to be treated myself. I haven't murdered anyone and I don't feel any real need to.

Respect for others. We are taught this (or should be) from birth.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

There's every possibility that he was a great human teacher. As an agnostic I can't absolutely refute the possibility Jesus might be the son of God, but from a personal point of view I think he was just a regular bloke with decent values whose execution by the Romans for his muckraking led to his elevation as a matyr.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

Some folk feel they must believe in something greater than themselves, something that explains all the unexplained mysteries of life. In ancient times gravity was God, as were rainbows, sunshine and the oceans. We understand the scientific principles behind gravity and know that sunlight refracting off water vapour causes rainbows.

Still, religion tries to answer the question 'if death is a doorway, what lies beyond?' Some need to know their lives have greater meaning, and cling to those who say they have all the answers.

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

The power of faith may be nothing more than the power of mind over matter. A cripple, splashed with what he stridently believes to be 'magic' water, suddenly throws his crutches away. His mind wills it, but his eyes only see the work of his Lord.

Visions... There are many in mental institutions all around the world who see and hear things that aren't there. Many who claim to talk to God, and some who even claim to BE God.

Stigmata... Self-mutilation?

Incorrupt bodies... Favourable burial conditions? Minerals in certain soils preserve bodies. I've seen it in central Mexico.

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

I respect your faith mate, even if I don't share it.

 

[Sportman1987]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

I am agnostic. I have no idea what happens after death. There is no evidence of what happens, it is all pure speculation. There is as much chance that we all end up under Finland eating icecream as there is for heaven.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

I don't believe JC was all that, but I believe he was a real person, who preached some good ideas. However, if he believed himself to be the son of God, I do think he was delusional.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

As a crutch to give you a sense of belonging and meaning, aswell as motivation? Because all the people you looked up to and saw as flawless as a child hold that same faith, and you therefore cannot let go of such high regard for them and consider the possibility that these people who are so close to you were wrong?

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

Explain what exactly?

 

[JW Frogen]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler,

According to Christopher Hitchens she is.

But in the end both Hitchens and Mother suffering will experirence God.

Hitler? That is sort of a gray area. Which is why he loved the colour for the SS.

You got to admit it, they may have been nihilistic-sadistic killers, but they had the most fashionable uniforms in WW2.

 

[Farmer Palmer]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

So if god does not exist, someone who does good is as equal (in what realm I wonder) as someone who does evil? Cos ...its...all...the...same....as that where we are trying to go?

And some bugs thrown in as well. Equivalent to the holocaust cos life is not worth anything?

Ae you serious? Is this a serious point you think you are making?

 

[Richo83]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

Mother Theresa wasn't jailed and forced to commit suicide when the whole world had opposed and crushed his plan. As for animals and humans, well my atheism tells me that this is the only world we have, so we should take care of it, this naturally leads to a respect for nature.

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.

Firstly, Lewis should stick to kids books. Secondly, I take the position that Jesus was a lunatic and a fool, not only was he deluded, but many of his rants were idiotic, the "morality" of Jesus is a morality in which we surrender to a god and a surrender based morality, in which society is based on what people think is "righteous" not right or rational. Jesus is an idiot in all senses of the word. Jesus could just be easily mistaken.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

To tuck you in bed at night and tell you that everything's alright. For atheists, people's faith exists to show that some people are stupid, and people can have some beliefs that we are damn thankful aren't true.

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

I love it how a) anything strange that people can't explain are linked to god, b) that god's "miracles" are nothing but a bunch of weird happenings that if they are god, shows that god is very disturbed and seems more interested in revealing himself to few people in bizarre ways than actually doing something useful (like oh I don't know curing AIDS, now THAT would be a miracle), c) that people will use the miracle argument until we can actually explain logically something, which they then accept the logical argument, d) that even if miracles are from god, that it in any way suggests that we should worship and love this god and e) that religious people aren't willing to actually think why this happens and just use the simple copout answer oh it's god.

Simply put is that there are things I can't explain, no-one knows everything, but you sure don't either. Just as much as I can't explain some miracles (which aren't really miracles, I would associate miracles with something wonderful, yet many miracles really don't help much) you can't explain why there is so much misery in this world even though a loving god exists.

 

[Farmer Palmer]

Simply put is that there are things I can't explain, no-one knows everything, but you sure don't either. Just as much as I can't explain some miracles (which aren't really miracles, I would associate miracles with something wonderful, yet many miracles really don't help much) you can't explain why there is so much misery in this world even though a loving god exists.

You could pray to be cured of cancer but would you bother to pray to have an amputated leg grow back?

 

[mr_cellotape]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

The title of the thread is "some questions for atheists". Where's the question here?

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

The author is a ******* who's using horrible logic to back up his own predetermined viewpoint?

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

To block out the possibly frightening fact that your life ends when you die.

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

Explain vampires, ghosts, and superheroes. Oh, wait; I can! They were all invented by man. Same goes for your examples.

Please good answers not idiotic atheist insults

What's that saying? Something like "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"? I think it's something like that, anyway.

 

[MacMum]

I'm an athiest linga is no 1.....but I dont even think about all that crap that you have mentioned........do you seriously go through life looking for answers to all that stuff?......too heavy!.............lighten up!..........think about all that and you'll end up depressed and bogged down with stuff that is taking away the brightness of life..........What I have read on this thread is enough to send people into deep depression.......too serious when just not important.....our daily lives can exist without all that heavy mumbo jumbo!

 

[Qsaint]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

You could have picked someone a little more saintly than Mother Theresa, her attitude wasn't exactly the best of humanity, Kolbe perhaps.


Buddhist believe Nivarna is the end of suffering a nothingness with no God. They don't need a god to be exceptionally good. Why does God need to exist? God may exist but in what form or essence is out of the bounds of our comprehension


Faith is an interesting concept we are a social and pack animal with young that need protecting for a long period of time, whose females need protection during late pregnancy. Is not faith an evolutionary trait that helps our survival?


Also the concepts in the new testament come from older texts like Buddhism

 

[Chase the Ace]

Buddhism, now there is one funny religion

 

[Eastern Rangers]

1) If God does not exist then we all get the same feat. Mother Theresa ends up as the same Hitler, and 6 million bugs being killed is equivalent to the holocaust as life is not worth anything.

Well both where human. It's also beyond the direct point, they are equally of Gods creation. How does God explain not just the six million jew's but the hundred of millions being killed in that conflict. Part of his plan?

2) Explain this quote:
I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say. A man who said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
He would either be a lunatic — on a level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”


Keep in mind he was not considered mad and by all accounts was a great man.

From all accounts he was not a particular popular prophet of his time, his following was not particularly large. Does the bible accurately depict Jesus? probably not. Him being crazy is equally not important, he is still human and billions of people beleive in a single man who can hear all our thoughts at once. Crazy and the perceptions of what is crazy is not important.

3) My stomach exists for food, my faith exists for what reason?

I got this one at school. Without food you die. Without faith you go read a little Proust. It's not hard, in fact i beleive my life will have more love, loss, fate and hope than you're meaningless venture towards death.

4) Explain Lourdes, Fatima, Padre Pio, Stigmata, Incorrupt bodies

The same way my born again friends do, by questioning Catholic dogma and teaching. It does not get much more pagan than Catholicism in their eyes and they openly question the Christianity of Catholics. They see such events as the worshiping of idols and the rejections of the holy trinity.

Fatima is an optical illusion. Lourdes is allot of hysteria resulting in inconsequential effects. The other two are boring self inflicted wounds and bodies that don't decay are not uncommon.

 

[linga_is_no1]

Wake up to yourselves, your answers are all blinded by ignorance. How can you claim that 70,000 people were blind? How can you claim that if a cripple starts walking again than its normal? How can you say that bodies decaying is common when bodies that have been buried for years are dug out of the ground and found to be intact? You are all so desperate to be selfish about your own beliefs that you forget others. Atheism is inherently selfish, wake up to yourselves!

 

[Sportman1987]

When God gives one amputee their arm back, I'll start to believe. I bet science will beat him to it anyway.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Atheism is inherently selfish, wake up to yourselves!

Atheism isn't selfish... but people are. If you teach people to respect one another, God need not come into the equation at all.

I have no need of God or Jesus linga. However I respect the fact that you do, mate. Am I selfish for that?

 

[Chase the Ace]

Wake up to yourselves, your answers are all blinded by ignorance. How can you claim that 70,000 people were blind? How can you claim that if a cripple starts walking again than its normal? How can you say that bodies decaying is common when bodies that have been buried for years are dug out of the ground and found to be intact? You are all so desperate to be selfish about your own beliefs that you forget others. Atheism is inherently selfish, wake up to yourselves!

Funny, that's what I was going to say your point of view was

PS Why doesn't God stop wars from starting?

 

[linga_is_no1]

Funny, that's what I was going to say your point of view was

PS Why doesn't God stop was from starting?

Perhaps one of the dumbest points that Atheists make, why does bad stuff happen? Bad stuff happens because we live on Earth that has its own laws of action. Where would we be if bad stuff didn't happen? Think about it, honestly. How can stupid can someone be to pursue this idiotic line of questioning? LOL at intelligence levels of some people