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No chance we play Brown in the ruck.

Would be complete madness.

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Ruckwork! Ruckwork for everyone!
 
We are clearly the best bottom side ever.

Going by wins the best since 1990 was the Brisbane Lions in 1998. After playing finals the year before, they had 5.5 wins with 75.8%. Their next 6 years went 4th, 6th, 1st, 1st, 1st and 2nd.
If we're talking ever, it's Collingwood in 1976. After playing finals the year before, they had 6 wins with 86.4%. Their next 5 years went 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, and 2nd.
If we lose on Saturday, we'd have played finals the year before with 5 wins and a percentage in the low to mid 80s. I wonder what our next 5/6 years will be?


PS: Both Brisbane in 1998 and Collingwood in 1976 sacked their coach and appointed someone who had already coached a premiership.
 

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Someone rang up the ****** this morning and said that along with the Swans we are the only two clubs to have not got a No 1 Draft pick since the first Draft via a Wooden Spoon.
Not true. They finished last in 1993 and took Darren Gaspar with #1.

I believe we are, since Goddard went to * and they picked up McGrath, the only remaining club never to have had a #1 pick play for them.
 
I believe we are, since Goddard went to * and they picked up McGrath, the only remaining club never to have had a #1 pick play for them.

Us and the two SA sides, unless I'm missing someone.

Adel -
BL -
Martin Leslie, John Hutton, Travis Johnstone, Des Headland
Carl - Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Jacob Weitering
Coll - Alex McDonald, Josh Fraser
Ess - Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney, Andrew McGrath
Frem - John Hutton, Jeff White, Clive Waterhouse, Des Headland
Geel - Stephen Hooper
GC - Josh Fraser, David Swallow
GWS - Brett Deledio, Tom Scully, Jonathon Patton, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Boyd
Haw - Alex McDonald, Luke Hodge
Melb - Jeff White, Travis Johnstone, Jack Watts, Tom Scully
NM -
Port -
Rich -
Richard Lounder, Anthony Banik, Darren Gaspar, Brett Deledio
St.K - Michael Gardiner, Nick Riewoldt, Brendon Goddard, Paddy McCartin
Syd - John Hutton, Darren Gaspar
WC - Drew Banfield, Michael Gardiner
WB - Adam Cooney, Tom Boyd
 
Us and the two SA sides, unless I'm missing someone.

Adel -
BL -
Martin Leslie, John Hutton, Travis Johnstone, Des Headland
Carl - Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Jacob Weitering
Coll - Alex McDonald, Josh Fraser
Ess - Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney, Andrew McGrath
Frem - John Hutton, Jeff White, Clive Waterhouse, Des Headland
Geel - Stephen Hooper
GC - Josh Fraser, David Swallow
GWS - Brett Deledio, Tom Scully, Jonathon Patton, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Boyd
Haw - Alex McDonald, Luke Hodge
Melb - Jeff White, Travis Johnstone, Jack Watts, Tom Scully
NM -
Port -
Rich -
Richard Lounder, Anthony Banik, Darren Gaspar, Brett Deledio
St.K - Michael Gardiner, Nick Riewoldt, Brendon Goddard, Paddy McCartin
Syd - John Hutton, Darren Gaspar
WC - Drew Banfield, Michael Gardiner
WB - Adam Cooney, Tom Boyd

Hutton, Hooper, Lounder...some real household names...
 
Us and the two SA sides, unless I'm missing someone.

Adel -
BL -
Martin Leslie, John Hutton, Travis Johnstone, Des Headland
Carl - Marc Murphy, Bryce Gibbs, Matthew Kreuzer, Jacob Weitering
Coll - Alex McDonald, Josh Fraser
Ess - Brendon Goddard, Adam Cooney, Andrew McGrath
Frem - John Hutton, Jeff White, Clive Waterhouse, Des Headland
Geel - Stephen Hooper
GC - Josh Fraser, David Swallow
GWS - Brett Deledio, Tom Scully, Jonathon Patton, Lachie Whitfield, Tom Boyd
Haw - Alex McDonald, Luke Hodge
Melb - Jeff White, Travis Johnstone, Jack Watts, Tom Scully
NM -
Port -
Rich -
Richard Lounder, Anthony Banik, Darren Gaspar, Brett Deledio
St.K - Michael Gardiner, Nick Riewoldt, Brendon Goddard, Paddy McCartin
Syd - John Hutton, Darren Gaspar
WC - Drew Banfield, Michael Gardiner
WB - Adam Cooney, Tom Boyd

An interesting list of players. All considered at one point to be the best young player in the country, but maybe only Riewoldt around 09/10 was ever considered the best player in the country (even then Gaz jnr or Judd probably had him covered).

Only one Brownlow Medallist - Adam Cooney
5 Club captains - Murphy, Goddard, Scully, Hodge, Riewoldt
Premiership players - Hodge x4, Banfield x2, Boyd
300 games - Goddard, Hodge, Riewoldt
B&Fs - Gibbs, Murphy, Goddard, Swallow, Deledio x2, Hodge x2, Johnstone, White, Gaspar, Riewoldt x6, Banfield

Seriously, take out Riewoldt and Hodge and it's not an amazing collection of names.
 
An interesting list of players. All considered at one point to be the best young player in the country, but maybe only Riewoldt around 09/10 was ever considered the best player in the country (even then Gaz jnr or Judd probably had him covered).

Only one Brownlow Medallist - Adam Cooney
5 Club captains - Murphy, Goddard, Scully, Hodge, Riewoldt
Premiership players - Hodge x4, Banfield x2, Boyd
300 games - Goddard, Hodge, Riewoldt
B&Fs - Gibbs, Murphy, Goddard, Swallow, Deledio x2, Hodge x2, Johnstone, White, Gaspar, Riewoldt x6, Banfield

Seriously, take out Riewoldt and Hodge and it's not an amazing collection of names.
Since 200 thought they've almost all been at least good players. Watts has been no better than decent on the whole, McCartin isnt looking great, and Boyd might have peaked in last year's GF, Kreuzer's had a bad run with injury but a good chance for AA ruck this year (and jiminy, the top 10 from '07 isn't much to write home about). All of them KPFs; let's pass on Brander.

I reckon 1 is the pick everyone's shitscared of stuffing up, so it's risk-averse. The best player from most drafts seems to have had some sort of higher risk to go with their upside.
 
Going by wins the best since 1990 was the Brisbane Lions in 1998. After playing finals the year before, they had 5.5 wins with 75.8%. Their next 6 years went 4th, 6th, 1st, 1st, 1st and 2nd.
If we're talking ever, it's Collingwood in 1976. After playing finals the year before, they had 6 wins with 86.4%. Their next 5 years went 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, and 2nd.
If we lose on Saturday, we'd have played finals the year before with 5 wins and a percentage in the low to mid 80s. I wonder what our next 5/6 years will be?


PS: Both Brisbane in 1998 and Collingwood in 1976 sacked their coach and appointed someone who had already coached a premiership.

Well Paul Roos is available?
 
That list is exactly why playing for draft picks is a fools game.

I think draft testing and watching is far better than in prior decades.

Getting 1 means you can pick exactly what you want/need.

There could be a stand out we miss out on by getting number 2 (nothing certain of course)
 
I think draft testing and watching is far better than in prior decades.

Getting 1 means you can pick exactly what you want/need.

There could be a stand out we miss out on by getting number 2 (nothing certain of course)

It has.

It's no sure thing though.

Most drafts' best player isn't taken at 1. Some are outside the top 10.
 
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