St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[jumperfan]

its not going to change ever, so we are disadvantaged and all the victorian teams advantaged

Your club, which is based thousands of kilometres away from the MCG, plays more games there than St Kilda do this season. Despite this we are expected to play home finals there instead of at our actual home ground. How is that an advantage for us?

 

[mighty_lions]

The AFL should run the academies. They are beneficial to grow the game but their purpose is lost a bit if the cream they produce is only accessible by a select few clubs.

The afl could not run the academies and you aren't understanding the actual pathway of having direct club academies provide, being in a specific club academy takes players away from chosing NRL, remove it and it will go back to the way it was, no Queensland kids drafted every year or very few

 

[jumperfan]

The afl could not run the academies and you aren't understanding the actual pathway of having direct club academies provide, being in a specific club academy takes players away from chosing NRL

What? That makes no sense. Are you suggesting that Queenslanders are only willing to play footy for a Queensland based team?

 

[mighty_lions]

Your club, which is based thousands of kilometres away from the MCG, plays more games there than St Kilda do this season. Despite this we are expected to play home finals there instead of at our actual home ground. How is that an advantage for us?

the ground has 0 advantage is everything around that, travel, staying in hotels, costs to clubs, costs to fans

the dimensions of the mcg vs marvel or having marvel as your home ground as opposed to mcg has no advantage

 

[mighty_lions]

What? That makes no sense. Are you suggesting that Queenslanders are only willing to play footy for a Queensland based team?

im suggesting being in a system takes them away from NRL, they are in the Lions academy as a junior, your saying the AFL runs the academy ok, what does that look like???

 

[jumperfan]

the ground has 0 advantage is everything around that, travel, staying in hotels, costs to clubs, costs to fans

This is complete gibberish.

the dimensions of the mcg vs marvel or having marvel as your home ground as opposed to mcg has no advantage

Have you considered the fact that Marvel has a roof and the MCG doesn't? Mightn't that play a bit of a role creating different conditions at each ground?

 

[mighty_lions]

This is complete gibberish.

Have you considered the fact that Marvel has a roof and the MCG doesn't? Mightn't that play a bit of a role creating different conditions at each ground?

surely your team can play in all conditions not just marvel conditions, like what

 

[mighty_lions]

This is complete gibberish.

Have you considered the fact that Marvel has a roof and the MCG doesn't? Mightn't that play a bit of a role creating different conditions at each ground?

and to quote the great Leigh Matthews, everything you do is about 2.30 on grand final day, so if you cant play in mcg conditions thats on your club, nothing to do with playing home games at marvel

 

[jumperfan]

and to quote the great Leigh Matthews, everything you do is about 2.30 on grand final day, so if you cant play in mcg conditions thats on your club, nothing to do with playing home games at marvel

Amazing how you'll bend over backwards like this. We're done here, it's like talking to a brick wall with you.

 

[mighty_lions]

Amazing how you'll bend over backwards like this. We're done here, it's like talking to a brick wall with you.

no worries lets hope they put a roof on the mcg for all the poor saints supporters never heard anything more ridiculous

 

[WillHayward]

less traveled than who?

one of the most traveled Melbourne sides yearly, one of the few Melbourne teams sent interstate to play other Melbourne team
North/Hawks in Tassie almost yearly
Melbourne in Alice Springs

Home Town GF, we've been over this, but you're the only one who seems to think playing a Final, let alone a GF on a ground you play at twice a year at most, often against the true grounds tenant club, is somehow an advantage. we play in Perth as much as we play at the MCG. we have played 1 true home final in the Docklands' history! I will ask again will GCS play finals at the GABBA or will GWS be made to play their finals at the SCG?

retention issues, were about to lose our 3rd decent player in 3 years, Both SA clubs hovering around our 3 young SA players like vultures, if we lose those, will the AFL step in a give us the same assistance GCS revieved ( 3 1st rd dp's extended list size, expanded Academy zonne?) We qall know they wont.



take the Academy players and F/S out of last year's draft and we land a top-rated mid we desperately need
take the Academy and F/S out of this year's draft and we get a top mid we desperately need

our drafting was terrible, we have addressed that in the last few drafts but the issue remains. Academy, F/S and NGA are having to much of a detrimental impact on what players are available in drafts.

Brisbane getting multiple top 5 talents, whilst being top 4 and paying peanuts, is part of the problem.
When the Pies got Quaynor from their NGA, there was a stink and the rules were changed.
When the Dogs got Ugle-Hagen, there was a stink, and the rules were changed.

This is no different

You haven't addressed anything until you go and draft a proper midfielder.

You haven't drafted one since Lenny Hayes. 27 years ago!!!

Everything else is wishful thinking, white noise, hopes, delusion, fantasy and excuses.

You've addressed absolutely nothing. Stop lying to yourselves.

 

[cartwright]

no worries lets hope they put a roof on the mcg for all the poor saints supporters never heard anything more ridiculous

We all have, we had to read your posts.

 

[The Punter]

So far the defence of the father-son rule is "tradition".

There are many, many things we used to do as a society that we do not do any more.

These facts remain irrefutable:

• the father-son rule adds nothing to the league
• it perverts the objectives of the draft
• it bases some element of success on the fact that former players (who play an arbitrary amount of games) sire sons
• it is easy to fix

 

[BrutThough]

It is funny that Fred Bassett wants academies abolished, but don't abolish the NGA because we benefit from that and are set to gain access to a first rounder. Sad little routine he has going.

Bassett has made it clear that he would get rid of it all if it was his choice and have the draft completely uncompromised.

 

[Elixuh]

It would benefit St Kilda by way of increasing the number of prospects in the open draft pool but I obviously don't want that to happen, that would be ridiculous. I don't think it's a distraction, most Saints fans have a pretty realistic idea of where we're at in terms of list quality. I think he's using shock tactics to draw attention to the issue.

"but don't abolish the NGA because we benefit from that and are set to gain access to a first rounder". You said this in reference to St Kilda earlier. Who is the first rounder you are referring to? As they appear to be tied to my club, I'd like to know who you are referring to as I am currently not aware of any first-round draft prospects in our NGA.

But if you abolish the academies those prospects don’t exist in the open draft pool

 

[Chip Scab1]

So far the defence of the father-son rule is "tradition".

There are many, many things we used to do as a society that we do not do any more.

These facts remain irrefutable:

• the father-son rule adds nothing to the league
• it perverts the objectives of the draft
• it bases some element of success on the fact that former players (who play an arbitrary amount of games) sire sons
• it is easy to fix

It does add something to the league though, it's probably the one thing that's actually decent.

 

[The Punter]

It does add something to the league though, it's probably the one thing that's actually decent.

What measurable thing does it add?

No one barracks for their club because of it
No one attends games because of it
No player plays AFL instead of a different profession because of it
No one enjoys their team winning more because of it

Premierships are, in part, decided because of it

 

[Chip Scab1]

What measurable thing does it add?

No one barracks for their club because of it
No one attends games because of it
No player plays AFL instead of a different profession because of it
No one enjoys their team winning more because of it

Premierships are, in part, decided because of it

Look, I can't answer those questions. All I know is if Nick Riewoldt (for example) had 3 gun kids playing for Collingwood (for example) you'd be rightfully annoyed.

It's something for Fans to look forward to; does it make you buy a Membership? Probably not, but does it create a link between the old and the new? Yes.

I can't imagine what Collingwood supporters feel ever time Nick or Josh do something that reminds them of Dad, but I feel it's a positive. I get the same 'nourishment' when young Arch does something his Dad would have done.

Yes it's not fair, but it goes in swings and roundabouts. We'll have Carey's 2 boys in 12-15 years, they can't play for anyone else. Just can't.

 

[The Punter]

Look, I can't answer those questions. All I know is if Nick Riewoldt (for example) had 3 gun kids playing for Collingwood (for example) you'd be rightfully annoyed.

It's something for Fans to look forward to; does it make you buy a Membership? Probably not, but does it create a link between the old and the new? Yes.

I can't imagine what Collingwood supporters feel ever time Nick or Josh do something that reminds them of Dad, but I feel it's a positive. I get the same 'nourishment' when young Arch does something his Dad would have done.

Yes it's not fair, but it goes in swings and roundabouts. We'll have Carey's 2 boys in 12-15 years, they can't play for anyone else. Just can't.

I wouldn't be annoyed. And the only way I'd be rightfully annoyed is if the got to Collingwood through a rule where Collingwood had exclusive access and didn't have to pay fair value or compensate any other club because of some arcane tradition.

Steph Curry's esteem isn't lessened because he doesn't play for the Hornets. Any benefit (which would be miniscule at best) is far outweighed by the damage it does to the fairness of the league and the objectives of the draft. North had to finish bottom two for five years just to start turning the corner. During this time Nick Daicos went to Collingwood and Sam Darcy went to the Doggies solely because of who their dad played for. Those two things are strongly related - North Melbourne (and other clubs near the bottom) were not compensated for this "romance". It's an idiosyncratic, arcane, anachronistic rule that needs to be scrapped yesterday for the betterment of the league.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I wouldn't be annoyed. And the only way I'd be rightfully annoyed is if the got to Collingwood through a rule where Collingwood had exclusive access and didn't have to pay fair value or compensate any other club because of some arcane tradition.

Steph Curry's esteem isn't lessened because he doesn't play for the Hornets. Any benefit (which would be miniscule at best) is far outweighed by the damage it does to the fairness of the league and the objectives of the draft. North had to finish bottom two for five years just to start turning the corner. During this time Nick Daicos went to Collingwood and Sam Darcy went to the Doggies solely because of who their dad played for. Those two things are strongly related - North Melbourne (and other clubs near the bottom) were not compensated for this "romance". It's an idiosyncratic, arcane, anachronistic rule that needs to be scrapped yesterday for the betterment of the league.

I stopped reading when you mentioned Basketball. I have no interest.

 

[jumperfan]

But if you abolish the academies those prospects don’t exist in the open draft pool

But I don’t want that to happen. You seem to be struggling to understand that. You’ve also ignored the second part of my question multiple times now.

 

[Elixuh]

But I don’t want that to happen. You seem to be struggling to understand that. You’ve also ignored the second part of my question multiple times now.

So what do you want to happen? Maybe we start there.

NGA, drafts - all of these things don't interest me. As a Lions fan I enjoy the season and then wait to see who is on our list the following year. I know that St Kilda have 7 NGA prospects in Sandringham's squad alone. The thread title says you're gaining access to a first rounder. So with this smorgasbord of NGA talent coming through for the old Sainters its no wonder Fred Bassett doesn't want to change the NGAs.

 

[jumperfan]

So what do you want to happen? Maybe we start there.

NGA, drafts - all of these things don't interest me. As a Lions fan I enjoy the season and then wait to see who is on our list the following year. I know that St Kilda have 7 NGA prospects in Sandringham's squad alone. The thread title says you're gaining access to a first rounder. So with this smorgasbord of NGA talent coming through for the old Sainters its no wonder Fred Bassett doesn't want to change the NGAs.

Ok, and I have provided evidence that despite the claims of the OP, which are untrue, none of those guys are considered first-round worthy. Only one is even draft worthy. Obviously there’s a lot of time left for these guys to potentially improve their prospects but as it stands none are considered potential first rounders. So if, as you say, you don’t pay attention to the drafts, you shouldn’t go around making false claims without evidence designed to act as strawmen.

 

[Elixuh]

Ok, and I have provided evidence that despite the claims of the OP, which are untrue, none of those guys are considered first-round worthy. Only one is even draft worthy. Obviously there’s a lot of time left for these guys to potentially improve their prospects but as it stands none are considered potential first rounders. So if, as you say, you don’t pay attention to the drafts, you shouldn’t go around making false claims without evidence designed to act as strawmen.

You seem fixated on the first round point. Almost all of our gun academy players have come from late in the draft. Maybe the same will be true for St Kilda.

 

[jumperfan]

You seem fixated on the first round point. Almost all of our gun academy players have come from late in the draft. Maybe the same will be true for St Kilda.

Because you keep using it as evidence that we’re being dishonest or something, even though it’s untrue and you yourself have admitted you know nothing about the draft. By pointing it out I’m attempting to show how you aren’t arguing in good faith.