St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[LukeParkerno1]

you have no idea what you are talking about, you aren't understanding its a different system, NRL has junior pathways basically they are academies! the melbourne storm have an academy which is also on the Sunshine Coast!

The NRL have catchment area's similar to the how the afl had zones, it has been talked about for awhile they will change to a draft system

Yep the Penrith “system or academy” has basically developed the last 4 premierships. If anything that’s worse.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

St Kilda were screwed out of Cam MacKenzie access so you can understand why they would be pissed off.
As were Melbourne with Mac Andrew.

As was North with Sanders.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

you have no idea what you are talking about, you aren't understanding its a different system, NRL has junior pathways basically they are academies! the melbourne storm have an academy which is also on the Sunshine Coast!

The NRL have catchment area's similar to the how the afl had zones, it has been talked about for awhile they will change to a draft system

I’m Melbourne storm member I’m well aware of how the system works they have stated many times they won’t go to a draft system. So you don’t see issues with how the draft currently operates?

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I’m Melbourne storm member I’m well aware of how the system works they have stated many times they won’t go to a draft system. So you don’t see issues with how the draft currently operates?

The changes in the index this year literally fixes 90% of the issues you and others are complaining about. A fairer price will be paid- we all agree that had to happen. It also won't stop retention in the northern states and it keeps the NGA's for a development system for those players.

How about we wait to see how this year goes with the new index, it's a very rare year with many players tied to clubs it's not every year

 

[mighty_lions]

I’m Melbourne storm member I’m well aware of how the system works they have stated many times they won’t go to a draft system. So you don’t see issues with how the draft currently operates?

no I dont, you think the nrl system is better??? its an absolute joke how the NRL system works and the fact they dont have a draft is even more unbelievable

 

[LukeParkerno1]

no I dont, you think the nrl system is better??? its an absolute joke how the NRL system works and the fact they dont have a draft is even more unbelievable

Of course a Storm supporter would think that system 'works' they have never missed the 8 basically. How you recon a West Tigers fan feels, a Titans one, etc? These academies/development nurseries have never been fair, and it's worse in the nrl, you recon the AFL is bad, the NRL is a mile worse

 

[Tasmanian saint]

no I dont, you think the nrl system is better??? its an absolute joke how the NRL system works and the fact they dont have a draft is even more unbelievable

The concept of a draft is great if it’s operated properly which the afl is far from. The absolute example of how one should operate is The NFL one.

 

[mighty_lions]

The concept of a draft is great if it’s operated properly which the afl is far from. The absolute example of how one should operate is The NFL one.

once again there's not 10 teams in one city and the majority of the talent coming out of it, how do you not understand this let alone the salary draftees receive

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Of course a Storm supporter would think that system 'works' they have never missed the 8 basically. How you recon a West Tigers fan feels, a Titans one, etc? These academies/development nurseries have never been fair, and it's worse in the nrl, you recon the AFL is bad, the NRL is a mile worse

I used the storm as a example because they operate in similar circumstances to the Queensland and Sydney afl teams , they recruit and have a lot of quality players that are not local and they manage to retain them despite the majority of teams being based in Sydney which the mighty lions keeps bringing up apparently is only relevant in the afl

 

[mighty_lions]

I used the storm as a example because they operate in similar circumstances to the Queensland and Sydney afl teams , they recruit and have a lot of quality players that are not local and they manage to retain them despite the majority of teams being based in Sydney which the mighty lions keeps bringing up apparently is only relevant in the afl

You are making up bs, the nrl has greater player movement and the storm is not exempt, they've had heaps of players leave

 

[Tasmanian saint]

no I dont, you think the nrl system is better??? its an absolute joke how the NRL system works and the fact they dont have a draft is even more unbelievable

So you don’t see an issue were the Gold Coast suns a team that are pushing top 4 will head to draft and add two top ten draft picks to there list do you believe this is fair and reasonable?

 

[mighty_lions]

So you don’t see an issue were the Gold Coast suns a team that are pushing top 4 will head to draft and add two top ten draft picks to there list do you believe this is fair and reasonable?

No I dont, because that is offset by all the players that have left and the ability to have local talent helps stop that

Same goes for when Tasmania come in, happy for them to have every Tasmanian in the draft also

 

[StevoJenkins]

So you don’t see an issue were the Gold Coast suns a team that are pushing top 4 will head to draft and add two top ten draft picks to there list do you believe this is fair and reasonable?

I could see it as a problem...


If they had ever made finals before in their history.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

You are making up bs, the nrl has greater player movement and the storm is not exempt, they've had heaps of players leave

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No I dont, because that is offset by all the players that have left and the ability to have local talent helps stop that

Same goes for when Tasmania come in, happy for them to have every Tasmanian in the draft also

So you have no issue with clubs being stuck in the bottom 4 For extended periods which gets somewhat created buy situations like this years draft . start up period yes maybe the first 5 years after that Tasmanian players should be available to anyone just having a locally based team will increase the talent pull every club should benefit

 

[Tasmanian saint]

You are making up bs, the nrl has greater player movement and the storm is not exempt, they've had heaps of players leave

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and yet they managed to replace those players with more quality non local players without any nrl assistance

 

[mighty_lions]

and yet they managed to replace those players with more quality non local players without any nrl assistance

They get players from there feeder clubs that are in Queensland and NSW in addition to melbourne! This is outside there catchment area how is that not assistance??????????????

You say you are a member how do you not know this

 

[mighty_lions]

So you have no issue with clubs being stuck in the bottom 4 For extended periods which gets somewhat created buy situations like this years draft . start up period yes maybe the first 5 years after that Tasmanian players should be available to anyone just having a locally based team will increase the talent pull every club should benefit

Draft and Trade better

 

[Tasmanian saint]

They get players from there feeder clubs that are in Queensland and NSW in addition to melbourne! This is outside there catchment area how is that not assistance??????????????

You say you are a member how do you not know this

Every nrl club has feeder clubs the storm manage to operate without a large portion of local players like yyou say is required in the afl they bring in players from outside and keep a good percentage without them wanting to go home to where the majority of teams are based in nsw and Queensland

 

[mighty_lions]

Every nrl club has feeder clubs the storm manage to operate without a large portion of local players like yyou say is required in the afl they bring in players from outside and keep a good percentage without them wanting to go home to where the majority of teams are based in nsw and Queensland

I just showed you a list of players that have left, this would not work in AFL as you cant just go and get more...we have a DRAFT, you aren't understanding the system

imagine if 17 quality players had left an AFL team, your comparisons are irrelevant, the NRL system is to use your presidents favourite word "designed" to have greater player movement thats why they dont have a draft in the first place

You are trying to equate 1 system that is designed for player movement vs a draft which is designed for people to say

The NRL system is a joke, I grew up with rugby league and the way the entire game is run is very poor

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I just showed you a list of players that have left, this would not work in AFL as you cant just go and get more...we have a DRAFT, you aren't understanding the system

imagine if 17 quality players had left an AFL team, your comparisons are irrelevant, the NRL system is to use your presidents favourite word "designed" to have greater player movement thats why they dont have a draft in the first place

You are trying to equate 1 system that is designed for player movement vs a draft which is designed for people to say

The NRL system is a joke, I grew up with rugby league and the way the entire game is run is very poor

Well said mate. Follow both league not as much these days but one literally is all about movements just check how many good to A grade players leave every year. This doesn’t happen in AFL nearly as much. Then you have the nurseries of Penrith, Souths, Dragons, etc. it’s comparing apples to oranges.

 

[Mat Mann]

The new index fixes a lot of this how about we wait to see it in practice first?

It actually does f all. It move picks in the 40’s to picks in the 30’s
picks in the 30’s STILL doesn’t equal the value of a top 5- 10 pick. And still the discount lives. Why a discount???
How does skipping the que with crap picks(In comparison). plus a discount. Equate to a top 5 pick, it just doesn’t.

Doesn’t stop the double dipping from happening. GCS and Brisbane will trade out 1st rounds pick into the following year. Take their top 5 kid and walk away better off than most of the bottom 6 teams

 

[Mat Mann]

I could see it as a problem...


If they had ever made finals before in their history.

That’s laughable. In the last five years. Who’s had the better list. St Kilda or GCS?

GCS has never had a talent issue, they’ve been as mismanaged as my club yet we’ve still scraped into 2 finals series, yet my club get slaughtered because we have no stars and the suns are scoffed at because they can’t get their talent to produce.

Such a terrible argument

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It actually does f all. It move picks in the 40’s to picks in the 30’s
picks in the 30’s STILL doesn’t equal the value of a top 5- 10 pick. And still the discount lives. Why a discount???
How does skipping the que with crap picks(In comparison). plus a discount. Equate to a top 5 pick, it just doesn’t.

Doesn’t stop the double dipping from happening. GCS and Brisbane will trade out 1st rounds pick into the following year. Take their top 5 kid and walk away better off than most of the bottom 6 teams

I have already said aid remove the discount. No need for anything else. However it has to be across the board F/S, NGA too

 

[paulige]

Why does a team need to be made up of majority locals this kind of defeats the purpose of a national competition as long as you have access to sufficient talent Australia wide , the afl is way to soft on it’s players look at other major sports the nrl a decent percentage of the Queensland origin team play for clubs not in Queensland. In America nba and nfl players are spread everywhere very few play at home town clubs

At no point has anyone suggested a team must be made up of majority locals. The numbers without academies though are quite clearly too low.

It is certainly convenient that this majority is easily achievable for VIC teams, and probably to a lesser extent SA/WA teams.

If we want to talk about defeating the purpose of a national competition, how does a long term average of 1-2% of draftees coming from QLD sound? Nice and ‘national’, I suppose?

Regarding your last point, last I checked we are neither the NRL nor the NBA.

 

[paulige]

It actually does f all. It move picks in the 40’s to picks in the 30’s
picks in the 30’s STILL doesn’t equal the value of a top 5- 10 pick. And still the discount lives. Why a discount???
How does skipping the que with crap picks(In comparison). plus a discount. Equate to a top 5 pick, it just doesn’t.

Doesn’t stop the double dipping from happening. GCS and Brisbane will trade out 1st rounds pick into the following year. Take their top 5 kid and walk away better off than most of the bottom 6 teams

Collingwood used Picks 38, 40, 42, and 44 to match the bid on Daicos at 4.

To match it with picks in the 30’s they’d now need approx. 28, 30, 32, and 34. That’s a sizeable difference - those aren’t nothing picks.

Another way to view it, if you were required to use a pick within say, 6 places, they previously could’ve have done 10 and 53. That is now 10 and 28. If the discount goes to 0%, it’s 10 and 22.

Both of these things (requiring a picking within a certain proximity, and 0 discount) may well occur at some point.