St Kilda complain about priority draft access in Oct 2024; now set to gain priority access to a first / second round pick via their NGA access

[VinnieB]

Through academy access and retention allowances.

BTW, there is a chance that St Kilda are about to face the reality of the "go home" factor writ large, so it is not only a non-Victorian club problem. There are plenty of people calling for St Kilda to adopt a draft strategy that focusses on Bayside kids. Geelong specifically target Bellarine/Barwon/South West kids.

Unfortunately Australian Football is most popular in Victoria and therefore most of the players come from Victoria.

That won’t work. It’s totally different to Geelong in so many ways. First, Geelong is a well run, successful football club.
Bayside is inner Melbourne. If you’re talking about the Mornington Pensinula, they would much rather play at Hawthorn, again give their success and now their new Dingley home base.

 

[The Punter]

That won’t work. It’s totally different to Geelong in so many ways. First, Geelong is a well run, successful football club.
Bayside is inner Melbourne. If you’re talking about the Mornington Pensinula, they would much rather play at Hawthorn, again give their success and now their new Dingley home base.

I understand why you would be against it, but I'm advocating for a system that gives all 18 teams a chance of success regardless of what has happened in the past.

 

[g_TRAIN]

Fincher is not shaping as a first round draft pick he's 3rd or 4th round at best right now.

 

[Elixuh]

Through academy access and retention allowances.

BTW, there is a chance that St Kilda are about to face the reality of the "go home" factor writ large, so it is not only a non-Victorian club problem. There are plenty of people calling for St Kilda to adopt a draft strategy that focusses on Bayside kids. Geelong specifically target Bellarine/Barwon/South West kids.

Unfortunately Australian Football is most popular in Victoria and therefore most of the players come from Victoria.

How would you like us to access the academy?

Which interstate players are you losing?

Aren’t you about to recruit one of the best players in the game in TDK?

 

[VinnieB]

I understand why you would be against it, but I'm advocating for a system that gives all 18 teams a chance of success regardless of what has happened in the past.

I’m not against it, but it would be difficult. St Kilda do need to look at it differently and it’s going to take a lot of time.

Victorian clubs have equal level of opportunity of success. F/S, NGA etc are equal. One club does not have an advantage over another club.

Also, there are more opportunities to build a list than ever before. Draft, mid-season draft, rookie list, cat B rookies, pre-season signings, free agency (including compensation). Didn’t Battle just land you Tauru? Huge win!

Getting off-field right should deliver on field success. Unfortunately, St Kilda have had a number of poor drafts with high selections. Nothing to do with Academy or FS.

 

[VinnieB]

How would you like us to access the academy?

Which interstate players are you losing?

Aren’t you about to recruit one of the best players in the game in TDK?

C’mon. They are probably going to sacrifice their future paying this guy $1.7m a year x 7 years.

 

[Elixuh]

C’mon. They are probably going to sacrifice their future paying this guy $1.7m a year x 7 years.

Stop bullying them and telling the small guy what they can and cannot do.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I’m not against it, but it would be difficult. St Kilda do need to look at it differently and it’s going to take a lot of time.

Victorian clubs have equal level of opportunity of success. F/S, NGA etc are equal. One club does not have an advantage over another club.

Also, there are more opportunities to build a list than ever before. Draft, mid-season draft, rookie list, cat B rookies, pre-season signings, free agency (including compensation). Didn’t Battle just land you Tauru? Huge win!

Getting off-field right should deliver on field success. Unfortunately, St Kilda have had a number of poor drafts with high selections. Nothing to do with Academy or FS.

Yep, I mean there's a lot of whinging and not looking internally. Did the academy force St Kilda to overlook Christian Petracca? How about an ounce of looking internally? Not hiring coaches that just think about defence would help too yes you need defensive structures but you don't need to be only worrying about it, release the shackles and let the boys play. Lyon was completely the wrong hire.

Has St Kilda been unlucky absolutely, but every single club is at some point. The Pies with their great system had two top 10 picks in Sharenberg and Freeman (sorry I had to bring it up mate) that failed. You don't see the Pies whinging from the rooftop do you? They looked internally and fixed the stuff, then hired the right coach.

 

[The Punter]

How would you like us to access the academy?

Which interstate players are you losing?

Aren’t you about to recruit one of the best players in the game in TDK?

I've answered that many times already, but academy access of one player entirely outside the draft per season.

And Nasiah Wangangeen-Milera is the player I was referring to. See how I can answer direct questions directly, all the while keeping a civil tone and referring to people by their actual names?

I’m not against it, but it would be difficult. St Kilda do need to look at it differently and it’s going to take a lot of time.

Victorian clubs have equal level of opportunity of success. F/S, NGA etc are equal. One club does not have an advantage over another club.

Also, there are more opportunities to build a list than ever before. Draft, mid-season draft, rookie list, cat B rookies, pre-season signings, free agency (including compensation). Didn’t Battle just land you Tauru? Huge win!

Getting off-field right should deliver on field success. Unfortunately, St Kilda have had a number of poor drafts with high selections. Nothing to do with Academy or FS.

Father-son entrenches disadvantage. Successful teams are more likely to have 100 game players. Teams with large volumes of cash are more likely to be able to internally develop pre-draft players.

Tauru has played 3 games, and the free agency compensation is one of the few ways bottom teams get an advantage over higher teams. Having said that, Tauru wasn't the first name we read out for that pick.

And again, please go and find a post from a St Kilda supporter saying we've been well run in the past. Our previous history has no bearing on the league-wide points I have made, or our President makes.

And rebuilding will take a lot of time. Under previous draft arrangements, it didn't take as long, which is a point I have been making repeatedly.

 

[Elixuh]

I've answered that many times already, but academy access of one player entirely outside the draft per season.

And Nasiah Wangangeen-Milera is the player I was referring to. See how I can answer direct questions directly, all the while keeping a civil tone and referring to people by their actual names?

So you want to make the draft more unequal? You just want the optics of a player being picked at a certain pick?

Oh you made it sound like an exodus, but it’s just one player. One player who is also reported to be staying at the Saints on a two year deal.

What would you like me to call you if not by your internet pseudonym, The Punter? I could call you Mr Bassatt if that would help.

 

[Broski]

ahhahahahahahahah he literally did it was either agenda setters or sen radio cant remember but he said it'

EDIT found it he said it an agenda setters

“If Cooper was the No.1 choice as the Brisbane academy player, and if Hawthorn wanted to take him as a father-son, what’s your gut feeling?” she asked.

“There’s no way he would have developed as he has in the last 12 months if it wasn’t for the Lions academy,” Luke said.

Mate... you have produced one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this site.

Correct me if I have misunderstood your claim, but you are saying that Luke Hodge, an all-time great of the game and someone who is currently employed in the industry, has a son, who spent most his childhood in state that lives and breathes football, that wouldn't be interested in football if it wasn't for the Lions Academy?

If after reading the above sentence you still believe you are correct, then I would suggest logging off for a little bit.

 

[mighty_lions]

Mate... you have produced one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this site.

Correct me if I have misunderstood your claim, but you are saying that Luke Hodge, an all-time great of the game and someone who is currently employed in the industry, has a son, who spent most his childhood in state that lives and breathes football, that wouldn't be interested in football if it wasn't for the Lions Academy?

If after reading the above sentence you still believe you are correct, then I would suggest logging off for a little bit.

no clearly you cant read because that not what I said

Its literally in the quote what hodge says about the academy

I also never mentioned he "wouldn't be interested" wtf are you going on about

its about his development

 

[The Punter]

So you want to make the draft more unequal? You just want the optics of a player being picked at a certain pick?

I disagree with your assessment that my proposed changes would make the draft more unequal.

 

[Broski]

no clearly you cant read because that not what I said

Its literally in the quote what hodge says about the academy

I also never mentioned he "wouldn't be interested" wtf are you going on about

its about his development

Incorrect. But at least you have confirmed what I suspected.

 

[Elixuh]

I disagree with your assessment that my proposed changes would make the draft more unequal.

But under your suggestion we could take Dan Annabelle this year outside the draft, keep our other draft picks and go bananas.

 

[mighty_lions]

Mate... you have produced one of the dumbest posts I have ever seen on this site.

Correct me if I have misunderstood your claim, but you are saying that Luke Hodge, an all-time great of the game and someone who is currently employed in the industry, has a son, who spent most his childhood in state that lives and breathes football, that wouldn't be interested in football if it wasn't for the Lions Academy?

If after reading the above sentence you still believe you are correct, then I would suggest logging off for a little bit.

“There’s no way he would have developed as he has in the last 12 months if it wasn’t for the Lions academy,” Luke said.


I never mentioned anything about him not being "interested in football"

 

[The Punter]

But under your suggestion we could take Dan Annabelle this year outside the draft, keep our other draft picks and go bananas.

As much as your mid-teen 1st rounder would allow you to go bananas.

But the GC situation of four first rounders at once with junk picks and no compensation for other clubs would not take place.

 

[mighty_lions]

Incorrect. But at least you have confirmed what I suspected.

which part is incorrect? The bit where Luke hodge says that he wouldn't have developed as he has because of the lions academy??? here read it again pal

“There’s no way he would have developed as he has in the last 12 months if it wasn’t for the Lions academy,” Luke said.

 

[The Punter]

“There’s no way he would have developed as he has in the last 12 months if it wasn’t for the Lions academy,” Luke said.


I never mentioned anything about him not being "interested in football"

I think the "players would be playing other sports without northern academies" argument doesn't apply to Cooper Hodge.

 

[Elixuh]

As much as your mid-teen 1st rounder would allow you to go bananas.

But the GC situation of four first rounders at once with junk picks and no compensation for other clubs would not take place.

Listen, if you are in any kind of decision-making capacity within the AFL, you need to put this in place. Preferably before this years draft.

 

[mighty_lions]

I think the "players would be playing other sports without northern academies" argument doesn't apply to Cooper Hodge.

No one said that in relation to Cooper

There is this notion out there because he is Hodges son he would be drafted, that is not correct the development he has had from the academy has directly led to his improvement

 

[The Punter]

No one said that in relation to Cooper

But people defending the academies have said that about why they exist. It's one of the two reasons I would support keeping the northern academies, limited to one player outside the draft per season: players who otherwise would play other sports, and homegrown heroes. Those are identifiable benefits to the game at large.

The father-son rule and the NGA academies (as currently constituted) provide no benefit to the game.

 

[mighty_lions]

But people defending the academies have said that about why they exist. It's one of the two reasons I would support keeping the northern academies, limited to one player outside the draft per season: players who otherwise would play other sports, and homegrown heroes. Those are identifiable benefits to the game at large.

The father-son rule and the NGA academies (as currently constituted) provide no benefit to the game.

There a multiple reasons for the academy which have been laid out 1 of which is to have them play AFL instead of another sport, no one has said Cooper would be playing NRL, however what is clear is that the academy has helped him develop just like it has to many other kids who would not be able to get drafted, we dont have a Coates talent league with the next gen guns all playing in the same league every week

Isaac Heeney has spoken numerous times saying he would be playing NRL if it wasn't for the academy so its a legitimate point

 

[The Punter]

There a multiple reasons for the academy which have been laid out 1 of which is to0 have them play AFL instead of another sport, no one has said Cooper would be playing NRL, however what is clear is that the academy has helped him develop just like it has to many other kids who would not be able to get drafted, we dont have a Coates talent league with the next gen guns all playing in the same league every week

Isaac Heeney has spoken numerous times saying he would be playing NRL if it wasn't for the academy so its a legitimate point

Sounds like the academy has a clear benefit to Cooper Hodge.

 

[VinnieB]

Yep, I mean there's a lot of whinging and not looking internally. Did the academy force St Kilda to overlook Christian Petracca? How about an ounce of looking internally? Not hiring coaches that just think about defence would help too yes you need defensive structures but you don't need to be only worrying about it, release the shackles and let the boys play. Lyon was completely the wrong hire.

Has St Kilda been unlucky absolutely, but every single club is at some point. The Pies with their great system had two top 10 picks in Sharenberg and Freeman (sorry I had to bring it up mate) that failed. You don't see the Pies whinging from the rooftop do you? They looked internally and fixed the stuff, then hired the right coach.

That was a disastrous draft for us. To have pick 8 and 10 and both busts. Actually, we traded Freeman (who couldn't get on the ground with severe hamstring issues), to St Kilda for a 2nd round pick after 2 seasons because they offered him guaranteed $$ for 3 yrs. He played 2 games for them, to add to his tally of 0 at Collingwood.