Staging

[scyth]

Obviously don't watch many Geelong games fellas?

i'm definitely going to enjoy the one next week. now **** off.

 

[Donakebab]

HAHAHA. So much irony from a ******* Bombers supporter calling another team a bunch of cheats

Summoning the almighty banhammer of Doss. Can we just perma ban idiots like this from our boards? They are never going to contribute meaningfully.

Enjoy the holiday dickhead.

 

[Donakebab]

What's with all these North morons wanting some time off from BigFooty?

 

[Doss]

Pests thread banned and infracted.

 

[Stopher]

Incidentally, what was the reaction to it by commentators on TV? Or on the footy shows this morning? Not going to put myself through it personally.

But here's the thing some ****ing North supporting trolls on here seem to be missing- yes it was 'there' insomuch as it wasn't an umpire error. The whole ****ing point of this thread though is that this kind of shit is a massive blight on the game and last night we saw one of the worst offenders at it again at a crucial stage of a cutthroat match.

The league really do need to reward players trying to legitimately tackle, rather than reward those that wilfully draw high contact, something the league itself is supposedly trying to eradicate from the game.

 

[dave_27]

He is a blight on the game. Might be a nice bloke off the field but on the field I cant have a flipping bar of him, he is the worst stager I have ever seen.

''Boomer'' Harvey teaches them well down there.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Incidentally, what was the reaction to it by commentators on TV?

That he made sure the umpire saw it but that it was there.

It put Winderlich in a difficult spot as the tackler but he only threw his head back after the arm was already high. The high contact was caused by his momentum going forward, not a duck.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

That he made sure the umpire saw it but that it was there.

It put Winderlich in a difficult spot as the tackler but he only threw his head back after the arm was already high. The high contact was caused by his momentum going forward, not a duck.

What about the knee buckle before contact?

 

[Its Manbearpig]

Pay a free kick against in my opinion.
Goodes and Lindsay will be giving away 10 a game!

 

[DapperDon]

I'm hoping Stevie J and Selwood get numerous ducks and dives paid to them.

Then watch these hypocritical Norf ****wits say how bad it is.

I'm not an advocate of violence but if Lidsay ****wit campaigner Thomas gets knocked out and his career ended by a dive i'd ****ing celebrate.

 

[NMFC 1811]

Before you all hang Lindsay I suggest you go watch Merrett's first quarter. There was a blatant dive to draw a free for in the back.

 

[Duckworth]

Before you all hang Lindsay I suggest you go watch Merrett's first quarter. There was a blatant dive to draw a free for in the back.

If we were hanging Lindsay, his head would have been flung back, and his arms limp before the noose was even around his neck.

 

[Tas]

Incidentally, what was the reaction to it by commentators on TV? Or on the footy shows this morning? Not going to put myself through it personally.

But here's the thing some ******* North supporting trolls on here seem to be missing- yes it was 'there' insomuch as it wasn't an umpire error. The whole ******* point of this thread though is that this kind of shit is a massive blight on the game and last night we saw one of the worst offenders at it again at a crucial stage of a cutthroat match.

The league really do need to reward players trying to legitimately tackle, rather than reward those that wilfully draw high contact, something the league itself is supposedly trying to eradicate from the game.

I am not sure if Winderlich has spent much time in the back line or not during his career, but the attempt at the tackle was poor, one arm out at shoulder height against someone with a reputation of ducking or exacerbating contact. When we play Geelong or Eagles who have numerous duckers, the instructions are quite clear, don't tackle the players around the shoulders, because it is likely going to slip high and if tackling from behind use momentum to roll them in the tackle because they will try and pin your arm in the tackle and pitch forward so you land on their back.

I am guessing Winderlich didn't get the memo on how to tackle someone like LT, most of the Geelong and West Coast team, Pendlebury, Goodes, etc. He put an arm out at shoulder height, he was in high risk territory of giving away a high contact free against anyone he was attempting to tackle with that attempt, on someone who is experienced at drawing that arm high it is was bread and butter free, he really didn't need to put much on it, it is an extremely low probability for an effective tackle.

The reality is nobody has ever been pinged for high contact when tackling a guy around the hips or waist, it is the tackles that start at the shoulders which slip which is the problem. Most of the experienced defenders were tackling him much lower and didn't give away a free kick. I am sure Winderlich was following someone running forward but when you are in the defensive 50 you need to be able to execute the defensive instructions.

I don't like that he draws free kicks like that one, the way it was going it had a high probability of being high regardless, because it was a poor tackle attempt. However, the AFL's inaction at addressing the problem has seen it become an epidemic problem. I'd prefer if the AFL address it properly, I'd prefer Thomas to stop it completely but it is hard to lay into him when we will play the Cats on Friday and half their team are experts at staging. We only have one player remotely in their league of diving.

 

[Engimal]

Wasn't great but he has improved. That's the only one I picked up all night, and that one wasn't any different from what any other player does. In saying that, I would like Thomas (and every other player) to cut it out.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

Honestly, do we need Norf ****wits in the thread telling us what they think is or isn't a dive. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit.

 

[VelvetSledge]

Leroy Jetta hasn't been part of Essendon's list for at least 12 hours now, c'mon. Stick with the times

 

[Doss]

Honestly, do we need Norf *******s in the thread telling us what they think is or isn't a dive. Quite frankly, I couldn't give a shit.

It's not Bomberblitz. There was some rubbish here and it was punished, but something like Tas' post- very reasonable.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

It's not Bomberblitz. There was some rubbish here and it was punished, but something like Tas' post- very reasonable.

There's one bloke posting a video of the Jetta incident, another one telling us that Zerrett took a dive and another one telling us it is a free kick all day long.

Tas' post was fine obviously.

 

[Nasty Penguin]

To lead into every contest seeking out head high contact show how much of a talentless weak campaigner Thomas really is. Never liked Jetta and feel pretty ashamed when a player in the red and black does a "Lindsay" luckily it is few and far between. Really shows the calibre of the north supporters defending his weak campaigner actions year after year.

 

[bacon buster]

I think it's the way he does it. And he's often in a goal scoring zone whilst 'performing'

I accept Selwood, to a certain extent, because he makes the ball his sole goal. And any team would love him to be in their side. Thomas? Not so much

It was an average tackle attempt from Winderlich though, who had a poor game. Hope it wasn't it last, wouldn't want to go out like that

 

[Dan]

he accentuated it a bit, but the contact was high.

By far not the worst one he's done

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[Stopher]

The point is being missed by some here. Instead of cheap shots against other players and umpiring decisions that were iffy, let's look at the issue in this thread- essentially the contribution of a player to draw a free kick.

The Jetta example above is ridiculous in this discussion because there is a rule against doing what he did (and not enforced near enough) and he was suitably punished.

Umpires are now instructed to not pay a free to players who duck head down into a tackle. So a player can suffer a double whammy of not receiving a free and getting seriously injured in the process. At least with this rule it is attempting to actively discourage ducking.

The problem is that incidents such as Thomas' last night are still considered legal, despite the only difference between his action and what is currently interpreted as a duck of the head is that his head is tilted right back instead of right forward, but the body movement of driving low and forward into the opposing player is virtually identical.

One only needs to look at rugby league to see how a serious incident will occur due to players attempting this kind of action. A high swinging arm into a players face/head is a very common offence in the NRL. A player running in to attempt a tackle will collect an opposing player high and hard one day and could unfortunately see someone suspended for rough conduct, despite the fact it was a legitimate attempt to tackle and there was a significant contribution to the incident by the supposed victim of the crime. Then again, perhaps it will need something like this to bring this to a head.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Tom Lynch broke his neck ducking for (and receiving) a high contact free. What else do we need to get rid of this shit?

 

[fishardansin]

Can't expect umpires to pick them all up

Only solution is player suspension, unless that happens it'll always be a problem

Agree. I have said it regarding the soccer too.

Accentuated, yes. But just like his 'dive,' it was there.

We feel your pain though, we've lost games to both WC and Geelong thanks to the very same ducking technique used by Selwoods, Shuey etc.

Rubbish. He dropped his knees and dived at Winder head first and then threw his head back. Scummy effort just as weak as his hit on Steinburg.

 

[ThePezDispenser]

Rubbish. He dropped his knees and dived at Winder head first and then threw his head back. Scummy effort just as weak as his hit on Steinburg.

His bump on Ariel when the ball was within 5 metres?