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News "State of Origin is back" - Eddie McGuire, March 2025
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Yep - and the flip side of that is that Victorians didn't really care either. It's the big games vs Victoria hosted in WA and SA that stuck in the memory.
Were one Daicos ACL away from this idea dying again.
Fans are selfless about this idea - till then.
Not as many as get injured during a game.
It's not about "scared", it's just about risk.
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And yet….
You keep choosing “the fact” I’m not disagreeing with. Weird.
You keep saying that as a gotcha but I’ve never said anything about attendances.
You keep saying no one cares about League except SOO.
Factually incorrect codewarz bull.
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It's a ratings juggernaut compared to soccer and basketball, but not compared to The AFL. It has only 80% the amount of viewers of the AFL in Australia, with 40 percent less total watch time annually.
Funnily enough, this matches up pretty much exactly to what the broadcasters choose to pay for the tv deal, with the AFL 640 mill per year, compared to the NRL deal of approx 400 mill per year.
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Still has massive ratings.
My point has been to say no one cares about the sport outside of SOO is code Warz rubbish, which is what Mr Code Warz was pushing.
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VFL/AFL State of Origin was cancelled due to a lack of interest from fans and clubs just did not want their players injured.
The end of season prize is the premiership, not who played well for their state before the season even starts.
That was before Queensland and New South Wales entered the competition.
With those two states it makes the concept even more of a non-event.
To be a true SOO in AFL you would need a mini fixture to determine a true winner.
That would take up 1/4 of the season
SOO only works when just 2 states are involved.
The NRL one works because there are just two states involved as no interest in any other state for the game. They could have a one-off game, and it would be successful. But they realized that best of three will generate more interest and more money
It is also played mid-season, so the players are fit and ready to give their best.
The standard of SOO if played preseason in the NRL would not be anywhere near as good because the players are still getting ready for the opening game.
Even the AFL concept of two divisions is against what SOO in the NRL was all about.
The AFL have decided in their wisdom that two divisions, one clearly the better states the other the lesser states.
If division two winner played division one winner that that may work, or not.
When the NRL started it was Queensland the very big underdogs up against the might of the Sydney based clubs.
Sure, they were criteria on where you first played but it still heavily favored the New South Wales clubs.
Queensland was dragging players from lower divisions to represent their state, so a lot of pride was involved.
Arthur Beatson was selected from reserve grade to captain Queensland in the inaugural State of Origin match in 1980.
Queensland won 20-10.
That is what made the concept viable in the early years and it has grown since then.
I originally thought it was an April fool's joke but apparently not
The end of season prize is the premiership, not who played well for their state before the season even starts.
That was before Queensland and New South Wales entered the competition.
With those two states it makes the concept even more of a non-event.
To be a true SOO in AFL you would need a mini fixture to determine a true winner.
That would take up 1/4 of the season
SOO only works when just 2 states are involved.
The NRL one works because there are just two states involved as no interest in any other state for the game. They could have a one-off game, and it would be successful. But they realized that best of three will generate more interest and more money
It is also played mid-season, so the players are fit and ready to give their best.
The standard of SOO if played preseason in the NRL would not be anywhere near as good because the players are still getting ready for the opening game.
Even the AFL concept of two divisions is against what SOO in the NRL was all about.
The AFL have decided in their wisdom that two divisions, one clearly the better states the other the lesser states.
If division two winner played division one winner that that may work, or not.
When the NRL started it was Queensland the very big underdogs up against the might of the Sydney based clubs.
Sure, they were criteria on where you first played but it still heavily favored the New South Wales clubs.
Queensland was dragging players from lower divisions to represent their state, so a lot of pride was involved.
Arthur Beatson was selected from reserve grade to captain Queensland in the inaugural State of Origin match in 1980.
Queensland won 20-10.
That is what made the concept viable in the early years and it has grown since then.
I originally thought it was an April fool's joke but apparently not
In regards to picking players from lower levels of football, if they do go for an NT rep side (which I think would be great) I would like to see players from the NTFL selected.
They'd fill the remaining numbers in the tassie and n.t side via state players which would be cool. I agree with others the indigenous side makes the n.t side implausible.
I dunno why you'd have an indigenous side playing state footy anyway, just split Victoria into metro and country like in the under 18s, it weakens them to make the carnival more competitive with s.a and w.a. Then you play the indigenous side v another multicultural side every 2 or 3 years instead.
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We all know they fear the fight of NSW and the dreams of Skyblue.
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Does anyone actually want to see players barely get out of a jog for 2 hours because no one wants to get injured or care about the game.
Pre-season games are dull enough as is. The bushfire relief game was a glorified training run.
Even an average in season game is twice as watchable.
Pre-season games are dull enough as is. The bushfire relief game was a glorified training run.
Even an average in season game is twice as watchable.
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The big Texan from Broken Hill certainly has dreams of playing for the sky blues and should get to do so next year given his current form.
Hmm, this frustrating thing again.Because it's simply a lie peddled by Peter Vlandy's and his news corp mates in Sydney.
No overlapping games to split their audience, 3 games on Thurs/ Fri every weekend in prime time compared to 1 prior to this year, shorter running time so they conveniently use the old averages metric which allows them to count one viewer on the couch as 8 different individuals every weekend. Averages was replaced by reach, which the afl thrash them in, being actual individual viewers that tune in, but the nrl still use 'averages' to fabricate a win, as they don't win on any other metric. It also gives them a convenient excuse for their crowd numbers, that 'we are a tv sport', so what would people think if they knew they actually have less individual viewers too.
Look at the Thursday night, Friday night and finals ratings when they go head to head, the afl wins every week and every year.
The AFL grand final in the ratings graveyard of Saturday afternoon even wins every time, compared to Sunday night absolute rolled gold prime time. What does that and the fact the broadcasters pay more for the AFL rights every time this century tell you? The big tv execs just keep making the mistake every few years? No, they dive into the data and know the true viewer numbers. The bulk of the tv deals are for paid by foxtel, that don't even have ads during play.
Roy Morgan released the findings last week about this, that the AFL have increased their tv viewer lead yet again. It's been a master class from the nrl in the old adage of, repeat a lie often enough and people will believe it.
Just so people know how TV ratings work..
Look at a hypothetical Friday night.
- A 2 hour NRL telecast which is watched by 2m people for an average of 1hr (50% of telecast time) gets an official TV rating of 1m.
- a 3 hour AFL telecast which is watched by 2.7m for an average of 1 hr (33% of telecast time has an official rating of 900,000.
In this example, the NRL telecast has ‘outrated’ the AFL by 100,000 despite being watched by 700,000 fewer people.
On topic, there’s a part of me that would love to see the return of SOO, but I can’t see it working - especially not as an annual thing.
Maybe if it was a once every three or four year thing.
Maybe if it was a once every three or four year thing.
Agreed. But the thing is the AFL will want it played as often as possible because they want more content to sell to broadcasters. This is why they are exploring SoO again in the first place.
SOO only works when it is the pinnacle of the sport as it was in the 80's.
Until the AFL decide that they are going to make SOO the pinnacle of the sport and promote it as such then as others have said it will be a glorified circle work hit out.
Until the AFL decide that they are going to make SOO the pinnacle of the sport and promote it as such then as others have said it will be a glorified circle work hit out.
Have the indigenous game pre-season in the years with international rules in post-season. And don't have origin in those years. Keeps the indigenous game, while keeping origin state and territory based. The two forms of representation are entirely different and should not be mixed into one competition.
It also means origin and IR don't happen too often, may keep player interest fresh for longer.
And doesn't leave open someone cheering for their state being labelled racist for cheering against the indigenous team. The optics of 50k booing a player on the indigenous team after some on-field scuffle, or an umpiring decision that goes that way would be a serious risk as part of a competition if fans care about opposing teams.
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Love to see it back.
In March we play it in an outbakc town lets say and bring the economy to life and they need it.
Like a carnival type of thing for a week and play in outback rural areas that need a kick start.
And have the best v the best in a series of matches.
In March say and like the annual footy carnival to the farming areas.
This would be great.
In March we play it in an outbakc town lets say and bring the economy to life and they need it.
Like a carnival type of thing for a week and play in outback rural areas that need a kick start.
And have the best v the best in a series of matches.
In March say and like the annual footy carnival to the farming areas.
This would be great.
Yep, agreed - and it also leaves too much scope for actual racists to come along and have far too good a time as well.
State of Origin died years ago, and they should have left it there. Imagine if you were club who agreed to a 2-million-dollar contract with a star player, probably had to part with a couple of 1st round draft picks as well and gets a season ending injury in a game nobody really cares about.
We'll be right back to the stage where clubs weren't allowing star players to play. Why risk your stars in a game your club is not competing in. I think too many of these administrators are forgetting the reasons why State of Origin died a natural death.
We'll be right back to the stage where clubs weren't allowing star players to play. Why risk your stars in a game your club is not competing in. I think too many of these administrators are forgetting the reasons why State of Origin died a natural death.
Isn't the whole idea just fundamentally racist? The uncomfortable reality that if you have an exclusively indigenous team, we also have a set of exclusively non-indigenous teams. It's like the sort of thing that happened in the 1870s - can't believe it's even being suggested.
Where else does it happen? Can you imagine the NBA coming up with an idea for a blacks v whites game? An Africans v the rest EPL exhibition game?
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Training is part of preparing for games worth points for your club. SOO is worth nothing.
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