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North Melbourne returned to the top of the ladder this week after a long drought.

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Heard talk that no club has made the finals from zero wins from first 4 rounds.
However, in reality a club has not only made the finals from no wins in first four rounds but also won the premiership.
This happened in 1975.
North Melbourne started 0-4, and in fact still only had 3 wins at end of round 9. They went on and not just made the finals, but also won their first ever premiership that year.
Ross Lyon, not all is totally lost.
 
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footyfan78 said:
Heard talk that no club has made the finals from zero wins from first 4 rounds.
However, in reality a club has not only made the finals from no wins in first four rounds but also won the premiership.
This happened in 1975.
North Melbourne started 0-4, and in fact still only had 3 wins at end of round 9. They went on and not just made the finals, but also won their first ever premiership that year.
Ross Lyon, not all it totally lost.
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0-5 now. Nobody has done that.
 
One Eyed Sainter 66 said:
0-5 now. Nobody has done that.
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35Daicos said:
Except Collingwood in 1959! They recovered to make the finals after a 0-5 start, but were knocked out in the first week of the finals. They only played 18 rounds then so it was a pretty decent recovery.

http://afltables.com/afl/seas/1959.html
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Yep, there have been some fairly impressive recoveries to make finals so in reality even zero-5 is not impossible but with Fyfe gone I personally think Fremantle are shot for the year as any contender so are going to start to focus on longer term plans for coming years.

Probably the two most impressive recoveries are two famous premierships.
The Bloodbath 1945 premiership that Carlton won had them sitting 3 wins and 6 losses after 9 rounds.
North Melbourne first premiership n 1975 also had them sitting 3 wins and 6 losses after 9 rounds.

One of the most exciting recoveries I actually seen myself in time I followed each season were Melbourne back in 1987 making finals for first time in over two decades. They were 7 wins and 10 losses at end of round 17
Rd 17 Ladder
HW 17 52 152.8
SY 17 52 143.0
CA 17 52 136.6
NM 17 44 98.1
GE 17 38 104.8
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FO 17 36 89.9
ES 17 34 88.9
WC 17 32 95.2
ME 17 28 97.5
FI 17 28 94.3
SK 17 24 92.8
BB 17 20 78.6
CW 17 20 74.8
RI 17 16 83.0

At that stage they are two and a half wins behind 5th spot and over 7% behind with 5 rounds to go and I had followed footy from 1978 season and never seen Melbourne have a half decent side or make finals. Robbie Flower was their best player in that time and simply one of the most brilliant graceful footballers seen and extremely humble. To then see Melbourne win 5 games in a row and make finals in dying moments of round 22 with exciting win over Bulldogs will live in memory forever. Most exciting final round ever. This was his last a season and finally amazing to see Melbourne in a finals series. We all know they ended up not making the grand final but gee it was a fairytale type ride until the end of preliminary final. Those first two finals wins were astounding to see happen. They did not just win , they destroyed North and Swans two weeks in a row and starting to look like maybe the could pose a threat to Hawthorn or Carlton.
It was fun for those weeks to see Melbourne supporters have some exciting times for once. I'd barely seen Melbourne win more than two games in a row in a decade I'be been following so it was something else at the time to see going on.

The other I experienced was my own club in first season I followed footy from week to week.
We opened the 1978 season with 77 point loss to Richmond. Not fun at all to hear on radio as a kid.
Six rounds into the season the coach that started the season of Ian Stewart was gone and we had only one win at the time.
A reluctant Alex Jesaulenko was eventually talked into becoming captain-coach.
From that moment on as a young kid following my first season of Carlton we went on an exciting ride.
I can well remember the excitement of the season watching us slowly but surely climb from bottom rungs of ladder after that. Week by week I would check the ladder on the tv replay shows or newspapers as enjoy seeing us rise a spot or two and see the last column for premierships points start to move above the sad 4 it was at end of round six.

Within 3 weeks we had beaten both the grand finalists of the previous year and still remember the joy and excitement to see on tv Saturday afternoon in holidays interstate that Carlton had beaten North Melbourne, the premiers the previous season, that had won their first 8 games on 1978 and we had knocked them off by 58 points. Was hard to believe we had done it as a kid. Had to look at tv score twice to believe it was real. At that point I simply thought Jezza was the Messiah himself as a little kid. Strangely by round 21 we were not only in the top five, we were sitting 3rd. I can remember for some odd reason we dropped the round 22 game to St.Kilda and lost the double chance. The main thing was we had made the finals though. I probably did not even understand the double chance stuff as a kid to understand the significance of starting finals with that extra reward.
Anyway we beat Geelong in Elimination Final and lost the 2nd week but for mine it was pure joy just to even recover and make finals. Was a sensational emotional ride as a kid following my team for first season ever.
1 win from 6 games and a coach gone and you make the finals and knock off the undefeated reigning premiers in round 9. That was the highlight for me.
History will show the next season we won 19 from 22 and only missed scoring a ton twice in whole season and won the premiership with the last captain-coach to be a success. Those 18 months were amazing.

The thing I take out of league history is if a side is 1 win from 6 rounds, or 3 wins from first 9, sometimes, magically , it can be the darkness before the dawn. If the dormant talent is there things can turn around. Most times it won't but boy, when it does, strap yourself in for an exciting journey.
 
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North Melbourne returned to the top of the ladder this week after a long drought.

Club|Most recent|Previous
\Ad|19/04/2015|12/04/2015
\Br|9/04/2007|1/04/2007
\Ca|5/04/2009|29/03/2009
\Co|1/07/2012|24/06/2012
\Es|5/05/2013|28/04/2013
\Fr|6/09/2015|30/08/2015
\Ge|21/04/2014|10/06/2013
\Ha|10/08/2014|3/08/2014
\Me|10/04/2005|3/04/2005
\NM|17/04/2016|30/08/1998
\PA|22/06/2014|15/06/2014
\Ri|25/06/1995|12/06/1995
\St|18/04/2010|11/04/2010
\Sy|10/04/2016|31/08/2014
\WC|6/04/2014|30/03/2014
\WB|3/04/2016|28/03/2016
\Fi|3/07/1983|25/06/1983
\Un|1/05/1909|-
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There is a bit of deja vu about North Melbourne being on top of the ladder again.

In Round 19 of 1998, Western Bulldogs were on top of the ladder ahead of North Melbourne on percentage. In Round 20, North beat Fremantle by 104 points to leap frog the Bulldogs on percentage. After both teams had wins in Round 21, it came down to the last round with the winner claiming top spot. North defeated the Bulldogs by 5 points in one of the games of the year to finish one game clear.

North did not return to the top of the ladder again until Round 4 this year - the team they beat to get to top spot was Fremantle again. After both teams had wins in round 5, we now have the match-up this Friday between North and the Bulldogs with the winner again claiming top spot (at least for this week). Let's hope its another cracker game.
 
North park said:
There is a bit of deja vu about North Melbourne being on top of the ladder again.

In Round 19 of 1998, Western Bulldogs were on top of the ladder ahead of North Melbourne on percentage. In Round 20, North beat Fremantle by 104 points to leap frog the Bulldogs on percentage. After both teams had wins in Round 21, it came down to the last round with the winner claiming top spot. North defeated the Bulldogs by 5 points in one of the games of the year to finish one game clear.

North did not return to the top of the ladder again until Round 4 this year - the team they beat to get to top spot was Fremantle again. After both teams had wins in round 5, we now have the match-up this Friday between North and the Bulldogs with the winner again claiming top spot (at least for this week). Let's hope its another cracker game.
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Good pick up.

I was letting the missus know of this exact circumstance during the week.
 
Greatest age difference between oldest and second-oldest teams after five matches

Year|1st|2nd|Age1st|Age2nd|Diff|H&A|Fnl
\1946|Fi|NM|27.86|26.23|1.64|8th|8th/12
\ 2016 | NM | Ha | 27.88 | 26.48 | 1.40 | 1st* |
\1897|Sy|Ge|25.64|24.27|1.37|5th|5th/8
\1975|NM|Ri|25.98|24.78|1.20|3rd|1st/12
\2005|PA|Sy|26.68|25.61|1.07|8th|6th/16
\1898|Sy|Co|25.51|24.49|1.02|5th|5th/8
\1922|Ri|Ca|27.28|26.30|0.98|5th|5th/9
\1965|Es|Ha|24.74|23.78|0.97|4th|1st/12
\1905|Co|Sy|26.20|25.32|0.88|1st|2nd/8
\2013|Sy|St|26.95|26.07|0.87|4th|4th/18
North going for a repeat of 1975?
 
Was perusing *Paul's site AFL tables, and noticed a rather interesting little difference between the win/loss records of Geelong's current two longest serving players.

Corey Enright, probably courtesy of missing some of '04-05 has played 144 games at Kardinia Park, for 112 wins, 2 draws and 30 losses.

Jimmy Bartel has played 132 games at home, for an amazing 114 wins, 2 draws and just 16 defeats.

There'd not be too many players having played over 100 games at a venue who would have played in that massive a win percentage at that particular venue?
 
Catsace said:
Joel Selwood has yet to play in a defeat against a side with a diagonal stripe in his 211 game career. He is 11-0 against the Tigers and 10-0 against Essendon.
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I believe it's referred to as a sash.
 

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Catsace said:
There'd not be too many players having played over 100 games at a venue who would have played in that massive a win percentage at that particular venue?
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At a single venue (as opposed to home games), top 10 of 295 players:

Player|Club(s)|Career|Venue|M|W|L|D|Win%
\Collier, Harry|Co|1926-1940|Victoria Park|114|98|15|1|86.40
\Jesaulenko, Alex|Ca,St|1967-1981|Princes Park|114|95|17|2|84.21
\McKay, David|Ca|1969-1981|Princes Park|108|89|18|1|82.87
\Coventry, Gordon|Co|1920-1937|Victoria Park|138|113|24|1|82.25
\Coventry senior, Syd|Co|1922-1934|Victoria Park|107|88|19|0|82.24
\Jones, Peter|Ca|1966-1979|Princes Park|106|86|18|2|82.08
\McGregor, Rod|Ca|1905-1920|Princes Park|103|82|19|2|80.58
\Southby, Geoff|Ca|1971-1984|Princes Park|115|91|21|3|80.43
\Barassi, Ron D.|Me,Ca|1953-1969|Melbourne Cricket Ground|115|90|22|3|79.57
\Madden, Justin|Es,Ca|1980-1996|Princes Park|107|85|22|0|79.44
For 'home' games as defined at AFL Tables:

Player|Club(s)|Career|M|W|L|D|Win%
\Mackie, Andrew|Ge|2004-2016|114|100|14|0|87.72
\Bartel, Jimmy|Ge|2002-2016|133|115|16|2|87.22
\Collier, Harry|Co|1926-1940|114|98|15|1|86.40
\McKay, David|Ca|1969-1981|119|99|19|1|83.61
\Jones, Peter|Ca|1966-1979|113|92|19|2|82.30
\Coventry, Gordon|Co|1920-1937|138|113|24|1|82.25
\Coventry senior, Syd|Co|1922-1934|107|88|19|0|82.24
\Barassi, Ron D.|Me,Ca|1953-1969|115|93|19|3|82.17
\Dibbs, Charlie|Co,Ge|1924-1936|101|82|18|1|81.68
\Johnson, Steve|Ge,WS|2002-2016|119|95|22|2|80.67
 
Ron The Bear said:
Had Lindsay Thomas not been suspended this week and played in place of Mason Wood, North would be the oldest team in VFL/AFL history.
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Brent Harvey's lofty age and games tally....that would add alone about 0.35-0.40 of a year to North's figure? It's amazing to see this absolute dad's Army of Harvey, Dal Santo, Furrito, Petrie, Wells and Waite being such vital cogs in their side. Harvey is amazing, he looks a lock to knock off the all-time games record, he's still among North's best players.
 
Catsace said:
Brent Harvey's lofty age and games tally....that would add alone about 0.35-0.40 of a year to North's figure? It's amazing to see this absolute dad's Army of Harvey, Dal Santo, Furrito, Petrie, Wells and Waite being such vital cogs in their side. Harvey is amazing, he looks a lock to knock off the all-time games record, he's still among North's best players.
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Harvey adds ~0.47 to the team's age.

With my club a basket case again, I'm actually enjoying that North are pushing the boundaries and hope they can win it, however I think they'll come a cropper at some stage.
 
Just on the subject of Harveys, and this would be a massive job for someone with time on their hands and a lot of info at the ready. Brent and Robert Harvey between them have almost 800 games combined. Would be a lark to see the combined games tallies of say the top dozen or so surnames in footy, would the Harveys make the list? You'd have to guess that there would be a lot of Smiths, Joneses and Williamses in such a list.
 
Catsace said:
Just on the subject of Harveys, and this would be a massive job for someone with time on their hands and a lot of info at the ready. Brent and Robert Harvey between them have almost 800 games combined. Would be a lark to see the combined games tallies of say the top dozen or so surnames in footy, would the Harveys make the list? You'd have to guess that there would be a lot of Smiths, Joneses and Williamses in such a list.
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I make these the top 10:

Surname|Players|Games
\Smith|122|5343
\Johnson|51|4203
\Williams|78|3771
\Brown|64|3672
\Jones|63|2743
\Murphy|32|2341
\Clarke|37|2337
\Wilson|50|2262
\Thompson|39|2088
\Collins|36|2030
Harvey 49th with 12/1169
 
Ron The Bear said:
I make these the top 10:

Surname|Players|Games
\Smith|122|5343
\Johnson|51|4203
\Williams|78|3771
\Brown|64|3672
\Jones|63|2743
\Murphy|32|2341
\Clarke|37|2337
\Wilson|50|2262
\Thompson|39|2088
\Collins|36|2030
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The Johnsons are a quality bunch there averaging 80 games a player. Brad, Steve, Wayne, there's many great ones there. Thanks for that Ron. Was thinking with Mark Harvey too, that's 1000+ games with three players since the 80's. Obviously not too many other Harveys of note then.
 
Catsace said:
The Johnsons are a quality bunch there averaging 80 games a player. Brad, Steve, Wayne, there's many great ones there. Thanks for that Ron. Was thinking with Mark Harvey too, that's 1000+ games with three players since the 80's. Obviously not too many other Harveys of note then.
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Next best Ron Harvey (Fi) with 127 games in the 1950's and 60's. The other 8 have 38 games between them.

Highest averages for x players:

Players|Surname|Games|Average
\1|Blakey|359|359.0
\2|Burgoyne|541|270.5
\3|Knights|645|215.0
\4|Selwood|607|151.8
\5|Madden|816|163.2
\6|Merrett|938|156.3
\7|Gale|801|114.4
\8|Lambert|780|97.5
\9|Hocking|824|91.6
\10|Power|741|74.1
\11-19|Fletcher (13)|1392|107.1
\20-29|Davis (23)|1881|81.8
\30-39|Murphy (32)|2341|73.2
\40-49|White (45)|1727|38.4
\50+|Johnson (51)|4203|82.4
 
Are North really older than our Carlton 1995 or 96 outfits ?
I remember around our 95 premiership we had Sticks, Madden, Williams, Braddles, Dean, SOS, Spalding and Hanna that all would have started playing senior footy in early 1980's or mid 1980's at latest.
 
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